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Come Alan you are by no means perfect with the rules. Let it go.

PajamaPants wrote:


1) Keep a dead toll so mark down exactly how many Orks you kill each turn. i personally am sure I was cheated here in my game but have NO PROOF of this..


Thanks,
Pajama

There is nothing about the underlined that says your sharing "advice". Im not the one that made you look like a "bitter donkey cave".

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

The ranged D on the Lynx is not the problem. It's damage (apart from lucky sixes) can be mitigated by good spacing and terrain use. The problem with the Lynx is it's incredible resiliency. Titan holofields alone are tough (negating half the hits outright if it moved) but the ability to combine them with an invulnerable save is absurdly tough. If you get a good anti-tank unit in position, the Lynx can then just go off table by turning itself into a zooming flyer for a turn. It was also ruled that even though it leaves the board as a zooming flyer, it returns as a skimmer (significant because the lynx isn't permitted to fire its strength D blast while zooming as part of its rules).

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

The ranged D on the Lynx is not the problem. It's damage (apart from lucky sixes) can be mitigated by good spacing and terrain use. The problem with the Lynx is it's incredible resiliency. Titan holofields alone are tough (negating half the hits outright if it moved) but the ability to combine them with an invulnerable save is absurdly tough. If you get a good anti-tank unit in position, the Lynx can then just go off table by turning itself into a zooming flyer for a turn. It was also ruled that even though it leaves the board as a zooming flyer, it returns as a skimmer (significant because the lynx isn't permitted to fire its strength D blast while zooming as part of its rules).

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

Grats on Best sisters! I was routing for you man.

The Lynx is its own deathstar if you think about it with the Nerf to invis and cheap for the points.

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

Tsilber wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

The ranged D on the Lynx is not the problem. It's damage (apart from lucky sixes) can be mitigated by good spacing and terrain use. The problem with the Lynx is it's incredible resiliency. Titan holofields alone are tough (negating half the hits outright if it moved) but the ability to combine them with an invulnerable save is absurdly tough. If you get a good anti-tank unit in position, the Lynx can then just go off table by turning itself into a zooming flyer for a turn. It was also ruled that even though it leaves the board as a zooming flyer, it returns as a skimmer (significant because the lynx isn't permitted to fire its strength D blast while zooming as part of its rules).

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

Grats on Best sisters! I was routing for you man.

Thanks man.

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

Hahahaha. Yeah I thought the same thing :/

I am actually surprised the bike list was up there - I have a very similar list but instead of running MSU I use full squads that are combat squadded

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The Lynx is its own Deathstar if you think about it with the Nerf to invis and cheap for the points.

Yea, I think thats true actually. But I think that speaks to the effects of trying to manipulate the rules.

Whenever, we decide to ban something it has the potential to make something else unbalanced.

I would like to see how the upcoming Forge The Narrative event goes this weakened since they are allowing I think almost everything and Adepticon as well.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Come Alan you are by no means perfect with the rules. Let it go.

Can't argue that one not even close as I found out this weekend getting back to the scene....

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

That's fine, at least half the lists were more about how the generals knew to use them, rather than the lists themselves (not to say any of them are bad, at all). I'd personally love if my local meta was suddenly overrun by Scouts and Lictors.

 Aves wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

That's fine, at least half the lists were more about how the generals knew to use them, rather than the lists themselves (not to say any of them are bad, at all). I'd personally love if my local meta was suddenly overrun by Scouts and Lictors.

It's nice to hear that about a 40k tournament. Kudos on a solid format to the FLG crew.

Awesome Tourney Grats to everyone!

And Grats to SEAN NAYDEN.
Way to repeat for Cold Steel Mercs!

The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

The only way to battle bad information is with good information. Supply away.

Not really the place for this. However the funny thing about poor sportsmanship scores during tourneys very few people get hit with them. If it was just one opponent sure I can see it being that person being a sore loser but when it becomes a trend it's a lot harder to claim it's everyone being sore losers and that it only happened with you. The tournament is over move on.

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

Well the nice thing is that I wanted to help my friend with his Tyranid list and he wanted lots of Mawlocs, but didn't know where to really start. I created a list that I might post here later for criticism, but it's nice to look at these lists to get the creative juices flowing.

Msolve wrote:
Any idea of what was roughly in Ian Ager's pure space wolf list?

Hello there! Here is my list:

Battle Leader, Runic, TWC, PF/SS, Warlord
Battle Leader, Runic, TWC, PF/SS

10x Blood Claws
Stormwolf, TL multimeltas
10x Blood Claws
Stormwolf, TL multimeltas
7x Blood Claws
Stormwolf, TL multimeltas

Iron Priest, TWC
Iron Priest, TWC

5x TWC w/ SS/chainsword, Pack Leader w/ meltabombs

@thread: I had an absolute blast at this event, with six great opponents, including Vince Arroyo and his dastardly Brass Scorpion that finally stole my thunder
Congrats to Reece, Frankie and the entire FLG crew on an amazing event that will arguably set the standard for GTs in the coming year.

-Ian Ager

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

I wonder how many of his games came to there natural conclusion?

PanzerLeader wrote:

Tsilber wrote:
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Grats on Best sisters! I was routing for you man.

Thanks man.

What was in the top sisters list? I assume this is the one that came in at number 20 with the imperial guard allies?

Just wondering, did the Secondary "Maelstom'ish" Objectives influence the use of more diverse / non-meta lists?

I'm guessing yes?

There was one guy running the Auqilla Strongpoint with Macro-Cannon, manned by Maugan Ra, can you say 3 D shots at BS 7?

Time to share 2 opinions that should get some flak.

The meta is healthy as evidenced by the diversity of armies in the top 8.

The top 8 lists are nothing special. The majority of the 256 lists that showed up were capable of winning. The top 8 got there by out playing their opponents. There is too much focus on lists and not enough on improving game play. Staying focused on lists is an easy trap to fall into because building a killer list is easy, but consistently playing like a top tier champion is hard.

Still looking to find out who got Best Paint and such. Anyone got a link?

I *did* watch the twitch feed, but missed them when I went AFK during the boring parts where names were announced, and then Reece shrugged and placed the paper on the table.

As diversity in army lists increases (as it inevitably will with such a fast release schedule) winning games becomes closer to 25-30% list building! and the rest is skill with said list, and overall out playing the opponent.

This is why I love 7th edition. The cream rises to the top.

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

What comment? I must have missed something. Also which Geoff? Weren't there a few?

He basically argued a ton of really stupid rules. As an example, the bike player at one point split Khan off of one unit of bikes, then strung out a unit of bikes to end their movment within 2" of Khan to join them to the squad. Geoff had some something like "Khan can't join that unit, IC's have to join that unit, the unit can't join the IC". The guy next to me literally looked at me and said "WTF? They just have to end in coherency, is this guy serious?" If this were a new player, sure, but for someone on the top tables, and the way he tried to argue it?

It wasn't so much that any one thing was blatantly abusive or cheating, but that Geoff questioned and argued stupid things like the above constantly. I didn't see the whole game, but everyone watching said it had occurred like that for the entire game. I did not watch the next game, but I heard several people say he did the same thing to his next opponent as well.

Edit: Oh, yeah, there were multiple Geoff's. This Geoff I think got best Space Wolves, there's also Geoff Robinson from Frontline with the bumblebee tyranids.

davethemacguy wrote:The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

I watched parts of that game as well, and chatted with several people who watched the entire game. They did not have positive things to say about the sportsmanship involved, and none of the talk I heard was directed at his opponent. It wasn't for his opponent that Frontline had a judge hanging out at their table the whole game, or at the table for Geoff's next game.Geoff might normally be a cool guy, but he did not represent himself well. I saw him try to ruleslaywer his way into some sort of advantage several time over stuff so stupid that people watching the game were saying "wait, what did he just try and argue?" Maybe his opponent was being a bit of a dick, too, but I'm not talking about his opponent's behavior. Geoff's behavior, from what I saw and heard, was not something that should be acceptable for someone playing on the top tables at a tournament. I know it didn't stop with that first game either, since I heard some people mention that he was behaving the same way in the game he got knocked out in.

PajamaPants wrote:

 DarkLink wrote:
Our game was a blast, even if there's nothing Dreadknights and Imperial Knights can do to FMCs.

Gordan!

Thanks man !

I had fun as well and I seriously again apologize for being so Drunk still that morning... I couldn't even eat the pizza but I think I drank like 10 cups of water during the game....

Yea it was a super tough draw without kill points just kept summoning deamonettes.

I had a lot of fun as well and I think you played it the best you could have considering the matchup and mission.

Flying MC's are real popular right now and I would say its in relation to Knights being so strong and prevalent and Hive Tyrants sooo good....

Yeah, no worries man, it's Vegas. Heck, I almost hoped you'd show up so drunk you couldn't play straight . I pretty much knew coming into the tournament that I had zero anti-flyer and I'd be pretty well screwed against a list like yours. I'm just happy to have gotten as far as I did with what I had. And, heck, if the pairings had worked out a little differently, I had a legit shot at the top 8. Either way, the whole event was a blast.

PajamaPants wrote:


2) Hold your opponent to movement rules. Make them move everything as intended.

You'd be out of time turn 2

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

I watched Geoff's entire game 7 and part of his game 8. Over the course of 2.75 hours he spent more than 20 minutes arguing rules, questioning his opponent on basic rules, checking his opponents coherency and physically moving his opponents models without permission, taking liberties with the 90 degree angle of his vendetta's pivot, and more. This was all above and beyond the normal conversational and occasional questioning that takes place in such a complex game. I was appalled at his behavior; a feeling shared by everyone I spoke with from over 6 different gaming clubs who also watched the game.

Hey I just noticed Aaron Alberts Grey Knights had Sevrin Loth in it, from what my local shop understands you cant play him as he's not updated in Imperial Armour 13 which is supposed to be the only legal source for army lists in the LVO.

I'm not calling it out, I just don't know much about the rule specifications and I just want to know so I can run Sevrin around here, really stocked if I could.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
As diversity in army lists increases (as it inevitably will with such a fast release schedule) winning games becomes closer to 25-30% list building! and the rest is skill with said list, and overall out playing the opponent.

This is why I love 7th edition. The cream rises to the top.

The top armies were loaded with Hive Fleet Leviathan formations, Wave Serpents. and Centurianstars. I do not see all that much diversity.