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Have had both real FW and china knockoff, china knockoff was of better quality got rid of it all

May do heresy if this plastic rumours are true

Im just stunned the price they charge for the absolute crap they sell

 Swastakowey wrote:
I do agree that FW models are fixable, but I thats no different to Finecast.

Except it is, for two reasons:

1) The FW resin is a decent material, so once the casting problems are fixed you have a good model. The finecast resin is low-quality garbage, it's way too soft, crumbles very easily, and can't support its own weight. And you can't fix those problems, it's just an inherent property of the material. A finecast "model" with all of the bubbles filled is still made out of finecast.

2) The types of casting problems are different. The most common FW problems are warped parts (very easy to fix) and misalignment between mold sections (which usually happens on flat areas that can be fixed without complex sculpting work). The most common finecast problem is bubbles that often occur in high-detail areas or result in thin pieces being broken off and missing. There's a huge difference between doing a bit of green stuff work to smooth out a flat armor section on a tank and having to re-sculpt half of a model's face.

I dont understand how you didnt get crap from FW.

I do, and their lack of quality control is inexcusable. I'm just saying that the rate of truly bad (as opposed to annoying to assemble) models is much lower than finecast, and not much worse than GW's plastic kits (which often have their own problems to clean up). I've definitely had to ask for replacement parts for miscasts, but that's maybe 1-2 pieces of a tank kit at most, compared to nearly 100% of the finecast models I've seen having major damage.

 mitch_rifle wrote:

Im just stunned the price they charge for the absolute crap they sell

Why are you surprised? I am not. A company can charge what ever they want. What I am surprised is people who pay for the crap that GW sells.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
FW Resin has the same problems mostly as Finecast

Not really. Finecast has a near-100% miscast rate and is a much worse material. If you buy a finecast "model" you're almost guaranteed to get a piece of scrap resin that goes straight into the trash, and in the incredibly unlikely event that it isn't damaged before you get it you'd better treat it like a priceless historical artifact because the slightest bump or stray paintbrush will destroy it. FW has inexcusable quality control issues, but at least you get a legitimate model in the end.

While that is definitely true of the initial Finecast offerings (like the Necrons) it's gotten a lot better. I've got a Khan and Ahriman sitting on my desk right now and neither has any flaws. Ahriman's staff is even straight.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Have had both real FW and china knockoff, china knockoff was of better quality got rid of it all

May do heresy if this plastic rumours are true

Im just stunned the price they charge for the absolute crap they sell

Everything I've had from FW has been perfect quality, apart from a Tyranid Twin-linked devourer with a missing tiny spike - they replaced the pair, I repaired the original and swapped out the replacement.

I've had two Chinese recasts come in from swaps, they were junk, produced by someone who apparently had no clue the parts were supposed to join up without huge gaps.

And yes, all the arguments that FW looks decent value alongside GW look sound to me. Thinking of selling the (ugly) Gorkanaut to buy a (beautiful) Meka Dred.

yeah my Kharn is finecast, it is fine too, however EVERYTHING else I have got finecast is orrible to say the least.

It's both sad and pleasing when buying their stuff at Chinese recasters is significantally cheaper AND has a higher quality. Telling.

don't say that Sig, the morality police will come down on you like a brick while drinking there slave labour cokes, bought from slave labour Walmart who get there slave labour clothes from indian sweat shops!

They have the moral high ground!!!

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's both sad and pleasing when buying their stuff at Chinese recasters is significantally cheaper AND has a higher quality. Telling.

The quality issue is telling, but the cost is not. Remember that China doesn't have the same costs for things. Not to mention foreign currency goes further so they effectively make more anyways.

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's both sad and pleasing when buying their stuff at Chinese recasters is significantally cheaper AND has a higher quality. Telling.

This has been my experience.

I've had loads of issues with my ForgeWorld kits though. Sometimes I suspect the guy responsible for quality control is on vacation.

A frequent problem I've had, which you can't fix, are the blobs of resin that sometimes obscure details on the miniature. Sometimes those blobs are easily removed, unless they're in the middle of the face of the miniature, in which case there's not a lot you can do. I've had a few one-eyed korpsmen replaced because of that.

The first squad of DKoK infantry I purchased only contained 9 miniatures.

My kits are often damaged due to handling, sometimes there has been barely any cushioning material in the packages I've received. One time when I had ordered a squadron of Death Riders, they hadn't bothered putting even one layer of bubble wrap between the bottom of the box and the blisters. And inside the blisters, basically everything had broken into smaller bits.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Have had both real FW and china knockoff, china knockoff was of better quality got rid of it all

May do heresy if this plastic rumours are true

Im just stunned the price they charge for the absolute crap they sell

Everything I've had from FW has been perfect quality, apart from a Tyranid Twin-linked devourer with a missing tiny spike - they replaced the pair, I repaired the original and swapped out the replacement.

I've had two Chinese recasts come in from swaps, they were junk, produced by someone who apparently had no clue the parts were supposed to join up without huge gaps.

And yes, all the arguments that FW looks decent value alongside GW look sound to me. Thinking of selling the (ugly) Gorkanaut to buy a (beautiful) Meka Dred.

This has been my experience as well. I have been buying FW for over a decade and only had a couple issues which were replaced with a brand new model.
All the knock offs i have seen were awful! missing details and fragile. If someone had a problem with FW and did not tell them, then you havea perosnal issue. They have AMAZINg customer service. They even ask me how various projects are coming each time I call them as they remember me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's both sad and pleasing when buying their stuff at Chinese recasters is significantally cheaper AND has a higher quality. Telling.

The quality issue is telling, but the cost is not. Remember that China doesn't have the same costs for things. Not to mention foreign currency goes further so they effectively make more anyways.

"Telling" in terms of "If you charge a super extreme premium for it, you better make sure you get the quality right!". To be fair, though, with those huge price differences, I would even accept a worse product. Getting a better product than the original is just mind-blowing.

The issue here is the difference between quality, and quality control. I get that some people probably don't agree that there's a difference but in my opinion, the quality of FW products is excellent, but their QC is lacking. When you get a good piece, it's fantastic. But they send out duds more than they should. Luckily their customer service is fantastic and they send out replacements easily and quickly, but I understand the mindset of 'it should be right first time'. But the quality of FW, generally, is very good. Just get more bad casts than you should.

A lot of the gamers in the US don't order models from Forgeworld as it is, because the price is so much higher then other sources of equivalent models. Mostly do to the exchange rates and shipping costs. I recently got a Barbed Hierodule I'm very happy with that way, for about 1/3rd the cost (if not less) then the FW equivalent.

because FW just loves putting an extra '0' behind reasonable prices

Sorris wrote:
A lot of the gamers in the US don't order models from Forgeworld as it is, because the price is so much higher then other sources of equivalent models. Mostly do to the exchange rates and shipping costs. I recently got a Barbed Hierodule I'm very happy with that way, for about 1/3rd the cost (if not less) then the FW equivalent.

When you say "other sources of equivalent models" do you mean legit companies that make alternatives to FW models or do you mean chinese/russian recasts?

I had recast that were too brittle but also ones that were just perfect and better than FW for sure. If you know where to buy you will have a better product than the original one. That said I prefer to buy from FW those are their designs and majority is exquisite (there are some that are bad ofc though like contemptor or the big lictor lately) and they deserve credit for it. I just wish they werent overpriced to hell and back.

My guess is because GW's so expensive (For 's sake)

Poly Ranger wrote:
If you think normal FW stuff is overcosted, just check the price of an Earthshaker Cannon... Make sure you are sat down first.

Is it bad that GWs normal range here in AU is pretty much the same.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Sorris wrote:
A lot of the gamers in the US don't order models from Forgeworld as it is, because the price is so much higher then other sources of equivalent models. Mostly do to the exchange rates and shipping costs. I recently got a Barbed Hierodule I'm very happy with that way, for about 1/3rd the cost (if not less) then the FW equivalent.

When you say "other sources of equivalent models" do you mean legit companies that make alternatives to FW models or do you mean chinese/russian recasts?

Not sure how much you can say about either of those on the forum without having issues, but where I got mine was recommended to me by gamer's in the area, and worked out surprisingly well, although it took awhile to actually get the model, I hear there is some risked involved in the quality of model you may get though, but wasn't an issue for me.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The issue here is the difference between quality, and quality control. I get that some people probably don't agree that there's a difference but in my opinion, the quality of FW products is excellent, but their QC is lacking. When you get a good piece, it's fantastic. But they send out duds more than they should. Luckily their customer service is fantastic and they send out replacements easily and quickly, but I understand the mindset of 'it should be right first time'. But the quality of FW, generally, is very good. Just get more bad casts than you should.

Yup. It reminds me of the jokes about how rubbish British cars are for a similar reason.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The issue here is the difference between quality, and quality control. I get that some people probably don't agree that there's a difference but in my opinion, the quality of FW products is excellent, but their QC is lacking. When you get a good piece, it's fantastic. But they send out duds more than they should. Luckily their customer service is fantastic and they send out replacements easily and quickly, but I understand the mindset of 'it should be right first time'. But the quality of FW, generally, is very good. Just get more bad casts than you should.

Yup. It reminds me of the jokes about how rubbish British cars are for a similar reason.

Must be a British thing then haha.

Peregrine wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known.

Probably because they don't want some kid getting a Thunderhawk for Christmas, followed shortly by a call from angry parents demanding a refund because there's no way their kid can build a model like that.

Heh, yeah. I Remember when I first saw the Eldar Vampire in a FW catalogue. I was... early teens, must have been. Maybe a little younger. I saw it and said to my parents: "I need this model. It's beautiful."

Semi-fortunately, my parents are both veteran nerds and told me no, because I couldn't do the model justice at my level of skill, and that they'd consider it when I could build a scale Lancaster to their standards.

... By the time I had that kind of skill, I'd forgotten all about the Vampire.