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Rihgu wrote:
I thought that Legion Tactical Squads couldn't take special or heavy weapons? Why would this kit come with them?

So you can use them in regular 40k games?

They look nice enough but pass.

 Carnage43 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
I thought that Legion Tactical Squads couldn't take special or heavy weapons? Why would this kit come with them?

You sir are correct. As for the why, well, I have two theories.

1. These aren't actually HH era marines. They are a new chaos kit, old armor loyalist tactical marines or some kind of "Lost Legion #2 come back from heresy era loyalist....thingy".

or

2. GW is ignoring all of Forgeworld's work and doing whatever they hell they want.....which seems likely.

1. are you serious ?

2. Or maybe GW just want people to be able to use these kits for 40k marines, and will also sell special weapon upgrade kits...

Im questioning why the pictures are such poor quality, but hopeful that they are real and not photoshops.

SocksOfDeath wrote:
Im questioning why the pictures are such poor quality, but hopeful that they are real and not photoshops.

Poor quality? They're better than most of the cellphone camera chaff we get in the rumor mill these days, at least I can clearly tell what each piece looks like in these photos.

Can't 30k Legions take special weapons squads? That would be where the special weapons are used.

valace2 wrote:
Backpacks are all wrong but the rest looks legit. Need more info.

Backpacks look ok very much like the plastic back from the 2nd edition.
If these are true then i am going to spend money on GW again

But the kits are useless for that, since special weapons squads all have to take the same special weapon. The kit comes with too few of too much variety for that.

The "keep it compatible with 40k" idea seems most likely. Maybe we'll still have to buy from FW to get heresy era special/heavy weapons en masse

Rihgu wrote:
I thought that Legion Tactical Squads couldn't take special or heavy weapons? Why would this kit come with them?

Getting people to buy them to make a 30K army or to buy for use as a normal 40K tac squad is my guess. GW can try to get money from both sets of players. Some 30k players use the the Space Marine Codex to represent their army too. So lots of uses.

Or GW just doesn't know or care about FW's rule set.

Finally, we can do away with all those stupid xenos kits and have pure, hot Space Marine on Space Marine action, just like GW and 95% of the playerbase always wanted.

Is it time for everyone to pull out their Ron Paul pictures? This is exciting, especially for kitbash and bits possibilities. I really hope they do boxes for all of the legions and not just Ultrasmurfs, I really want some official stuff for my Iron Hands successor chapter.

Hah. Assuming they're real, someone at GWHQ has evidently decided we need to be distracted from the AoS trainwreck.

Underling: "Milord, Milord, the nerds are revolting!"
GW Exec: "Hahah, yes, very good underling, they are indeed revolting, supine creatures, worthy only of derision and scor..
U: "No Milord, I mean they are in revolt! It appears that many are not quite as eager to indulge their hobby of buying our products when the product in question is Age of Sigmar."
GW: "CURSES! Will these beasts never be satisfied?! Over and over we give them new things to buy, at ever increasing prices so they can prove to lesser nerds that they are better as they can afford to own the Porche of miniatures, and this is the thanks they give us?! Fine, fine, leak a few pics of the Heresy plastic sprues, that should pop them back into their normal comatose compliance!"
U: "A cunning and masterful plan Milord, I shall attend to it at once!"

I'll wait for better pics, and for the sprues of the rumoured Cataphractii Terminators(assuming they exist and that rumour wasn't spawned by the character already shown).

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hah. Assuming they're real, someone at GWHQ has evidently decided we need to be distracted from the AoS trainwreck.

Underling: "Milord, Milord, the nerds are revolting!"
GW Exec: "Hahah, yes, very good underling, they are indeed revolting, supine creatures, worthy only of derision and scor..
U: "No Milord, I mean they are in revolt! It appears that many are not quite as eager to indulge their hobby of buying our products when the product in question is Age of Sigmar."
GW: "CURSES! Will these beasts never be satisfied?! Over and over we give them new things to buy, at ever increasing prices so they can prove to lesser nerds that they are better as they can afford to own the Porche of miniatures, and this is the thanks they give us?! Fine, fine, leak a few pics of the Heresy plastic sprues, that should pop them back into their normal comatose compliance!"
U: "A cunning and masterful plan Milord, I shall attend to it at once!"

I'll wait for better pics, and for the sprues of the rumoured Cataphractii Terminators(assuming they exist and that rumour wasn't spawned by the character already shown).

Yup, exalted. I read Underling in Gollum's voice. Well done.

IT's far more likely GW wants to increase their profits and the easiest way to do that is for them to make their customers buy plastic HH minis and then pay a forgeworld upgrade tax on top of it.

I just hope HH has fun rules that are tournament friendly and this doesn't detract from the other non-HH armies like FW has been doing.

Not to be the one that pisses all over everyone's plastic HH bonfire o' love, but the last thing this company needed was more Space Marines. Now we have Fantasy Space Marines (Sigmarines), resin Old Timey Space Marines, plastic Old Timey Space Marines, not to mention the now apparently pedestrian cornucopia of Space Marines that we were already choking on in 40K.

The corpse is starting to smell, spray some Space Marine cologne on it, quick! Just be done with it and rename the company and stores Space Marine, Inc.

Rihgu wrote:
But the kits are useless for that, since special weapons squads all have to take the same special weapon. The kit comes with too few of too much variety for that.

The "keep it compatible with 40k" idea seems most likely. Maybe we'll still have to buy from FW to get heresy era special/heavy weapons en masse

30k is all about quantity. The main attraction of plastic sets for 30k is going to be to fill out those cheap 20-man Tactical squads. 5 boxes of 10 will give you two 20-man Tactical squads and two 5-men support squads with different weapons, each box after that adds another guy to each existing support squad AND adds another support squad with different weapons.

If this turns out to be true and what people had rumoured, it would kind of put to bed the old statement that GW would never cannibalize a FW product.

Also, I can't help but feel there's a little too much marine-y stuff coming from GW.

Legion Veteran Tactical Squads *can* take special weapons. That said, if we're seeing plastic HH, it's unthinkable that we won't also see some kind of mainstream GW book - which will probably do away with the bolter-only tactical squads of the FW series.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
Hah. Assuming they're real, someone at GWHQ has evidently decided we need to be distracted from the AoS trainwreck.

Underling: "Milord, Milord, the nerds are revolting!"
GW Exec: "Hahah, yes, very good underling, they are indeed revolting, supine creatures, worthy only of derision and scor..
U: "No Milord, I mean they are in revolt! It appears that many are not quite as eager to indulge their hobby of buying our products when the product in question is Age of Sigmar."
GW: "CURSES! Will these beasts never be satisfied?! Over and over we give them new things to buy, at ever increasing prices so they can prove to lesser nerds that they are better as they can afford to own the Porche of miniatures, and this is the thanks they give us?! Fine, fine, leak a few pics of the Heresy plastic sprues, that should pop them back into their normal comatose compliance!"
U: "A cunning and masterful plan Milord, I shall attend to it at once!"

I'll wait for better pics, and for the sprues of the rumoured Cataphractii Terminators(assuming they exist and that rumour wasn't spawned by the character already shown).

You say "evidently" but there's actually no evidence of that. But you know, let's all whine about Age of Sigmar some more, har de har har!

Making one and only one Heresy Space Marine kit is something I would be behind. With one kit you'd let people bulk out their Heresy armies, add some variety to their 40k Space Marine armies and add some variety to their Chaos Space Marine armies.

But if they're making an entirely new line of old Space Marine armour, it will be absolute gak. Space Marines already get way more support than most armies, so adding a fourth line of Space Marine plastic kits when the bastards still haven't given my army a single solitary infantry kit is just rubbing salt in the wound.

It makes sense, they would sell like hot cakes.

Well I noticed that there are no "Vulkite" weapons on those sprues. That makes me believe that they are for 30 and 40 k.

And I'll give you three guesses as to which path GW is going down.

People are going to whine if they don't release a kit for every Legion. Then people are going to whine if they don't get a kit for every single armor mark, so everyone can build squads out of their favorite/appropriate mark and not have to worry about getting ugly or inaccurate bits. We may not literally end up with 80 different tactical squad kits but GW's sure as hell going to try.

 Rayvon wrote:
It makes sense, they would sell like hot cakes.

Then I hope GW can keep itself going on the sales of Space Marines alone, because there's little reason for anyone else to play their games as it is.

Mk IV???!!

Boo.


Needs moar Mk II/III.

 Mousemuffins wrote:
Needs moar Mk II/III.

At last. Someone's making sense.

 Rayvon wrote:
It makes sense, they would sell like hot cakes.

Yep. And allow more people to get into 30K, which is one of the very best things GW has done in a long time.

My only concern is the scale. These will probably be compatible with 40K marines, which are scaled differently than FW 30K marks. And I'm a little more than halfway toward getting the infantry I'll need. BUT...if it gets more people playing the awesomeness that's 30K...it's all good.

They seem rather boring

yeah the greatest thing out of this kit is people will finally start playing HH at my FLGS

Rihgu wrote:
But the kits are useless for that, since special weapons squads all have to take the same special weapon. The kit comes with too few of too much variety for that.

The "keep it compatible with 40k" idea seems most likely. Maybe we'll still have to buy from FW to get heresy era special/heavy weapons en masse

Veteran Tactical Squads can take both heavy and special weapons. Give your Praetor the Rites Of War: Pride Of The Legion and they become troops (along with Terminators). I am sure that is partly why they included the special/heavy weapons. Also to allow for 40k crossover, I am sure.

I want Mk V, I also want true scale, kinda like the Chosen from the Dark Vengeance starter.

Wow, it's actually going to happen. As far as why include special and heavy weapons, veteran tactical squads can be equipped with a special and a heavy. Plus, there's the whole "buy 5+ of these kits and you'll have all you need to make two full tactical squads, and one support and one heavy squad"

I suppose it really depends on how much plastic GW will do for 30K. As a one and done kit, it works. As a crossover 30K/40K kit, it works.

 Bull0 wrote:
Legion Veteran Tactical Squads *can* take special weapons. That said, if we're seeing plastic HH, it's unthinkable that we won't also see some kind of mainstream GW book - which will probably do away with the bolter-only tactical squads of the FW series.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
Hah. Assuming they're real, someone at GWHQ has evidently decided we need to be distracted from the AoS trainwreck.

Underling: "Milord, Milord, the nerds are revolting!"
GW Exec: "Hahah, yes, very good underling, they are indeed revolting, supine creatures, worthy only of derision and scor..
U: "No Milord, I mean they are in revolt! It appears that many are not quite as eager to indulge their hobby of buying our products when the product in question is Age of Sigmar."
GW: "CURSES! Will these beasts never be satisfied?! Over and over we give them new things to buy, at ever increasing prices so they can prove to lesser nerds that they are better as they can afford to own the Porche of miniatures, and this is the thanks they give us?! Fine, fine, leak a few pics of the Heresy plastic sprues, that should pop them back into their normal comatose compliance!"
U: "A cunning and masterful plan Milord, I shall attend to it at once!"

I'll wait for better pics, and for the sprues of the rumoured Cataphractii Terminators(assuming they exist and that rumour wasn't spawned by the character already shown).

You say "evidently" but there's actually no evidence of that. But you know, let's all whine about Age of Sigmar some more, har de har har!

If you think that mild pisstake is "whining" I'd advise you put yourself on the transplant list as soon as you can, you're evidently in dire need of a new sense of humour.