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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Jarhead is a jarhead. Why is old marines more exciting than new marines? Same thing.

But... But... They have a new hat!

Neeto! I always meant to invest in a few squads of the FW minis and slowly rebuild my old marine army that I sold off a while back, may as well wait for the plastics.

Hopefully they'll oldschoolify some of the vehicles too, like the domeyturret predator

Did anyone state in what context this will be released? A 30k starter? A campaign box? Anything?

 Kosake wrote:
Did anyone state in what context this will be released? A 30k starter? A campaign box? Anything?

Multiple times. See last page for example. Rumour though, nothing confirmed.

Boxed standalone set like Execution Force, later full regular range instead of LotR/Hobbit.

 Kosake wrote:
Did anyone state in what context this will be released? A 30k starter? A campaign box? Anything?

Gumball machines outside every GW shop, 50 cents a bit, random packaging, single arm, leg, torso, gun, head, backpack or shoulderpad in each gum ball.

Hey, if at first you don't succeed in being funny, try again!

Third time lucky maybe ?



I see it now that its the squatting legs making them look different, im guessing thats to help them fit the mould better, marine legs are like that nearly every time they come in plastic.

Wouldn't it be funny if the ruleset was redesigned along the lines of AoS? And there are no points? And we're all each other's GM's with a story?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


And despite this are run differently, release better products, act like adults when it comes to previews and advertising, produce higher quality books (miles better quality) and seem to have their collective heads on straight when it comes to basically everything they do. So yeah, FW is part of GW in the same way the heart and the appendix are part of your body, but one is infinitely more useful than the other.

Very good points, unfortunately FW is attached to a gangrenous body. I would love to believe GW could learn to be more like FW, but it won't happen. If anything I feel FW will continue as a gutted soulless name brand under this new rules light regime.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


And despite this are run differently, release better products, act like adults when it comes to previews and advertising, produce higher quality books (miles better quality) and seem to have their collective heads on straight when it comes to basically everything they do. So yeah, FW is part of GW in the same way the heart and the appendix are part of your body, but one is infinitely more useful than the other.

Very good points, unfortunately FW is attached to a gangrenous body. I would love to believe GW could learn to be more like FW, but it won't happen. If anything I feel FW will continue as a gutted soulless name brand under this new rules light regime.

Kind of like Avalon Hill under Hasbro/WOTC?

If they're making an all new warhammer 30k game, I would totally expect them to sigmarify the rules.. though maybe after the backlash this time they might actually add some kind of points or balancing mechanism (that won't work)

 Necros wrote:
If they're making an all new warhammer 30k game, I would totally expect them to sigmarify the rules.. though maybe after the backlash this time they might actually add some kind of points or balancing mechanism (that won't work)

Backlash? People complain, but others are still happily buying. Wouldn't call a whole bunch of crying and raving online a "backlash"

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Necros wrote:
If they're making an all new warhammer 30k game, I would totally expect them to sigmarify the rules.. though maybe after the backlash this time they might actually add some kind of points or balancing mechanism (that won't work)

Backlash? People complain, but others are still happily buying. Wouldn't call a whole bunch of crying and raving online a "backlash"

What counts as backlash then?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Necros wrote:
If they're making an all new warhammer 30k game, I would totally expect them to sigmarify the rules.. though maybe after the backlash this time they might actually add some kind of points or balancing mechanism (that won't work)

Backlash? People complain, but others are still happily buying. Wouldn't call a whole bunch of crying and raving online a "backlash"

What counts as backlash then?

Razing the HQ to the ground.

 Breotan wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if the ruleset was redesigned along the lines of AoS? And there are no points? And we're all each other's GM's with a story?

It'd be really funny to have all that extra time to put into other hobbies.

That depends entirely on whether AoS exceeds their profit projections. If it does, then yes, 40k will look very much like it in the next edition. Heck, there may be crossover rules available- lightning bows and thunderhammers sound like an even match for most 40k armies anyways.

Its nice to see so many people entustiastic that GW-main will now take control of their beloved horus heresy.
I would have predicted great anxiety and doom-sayings over this.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


And despite this are run differently, release better products, act like adults when it comes to previews and advertising, produce higher quality books (miles better quality) and seem to have their collective heads on straight when it comes to basically everything they do. So yeah, FW is part of GW in the same way the heart and the appendix are part of your body, but one is infinitely more useful than the other.

Very good points, unfortunately FW is attached to a gangrenous body. I would love to believe GW could learn to be more like FW, but it won't happen. If anything I feel FW will continue as a gutted soulless name brand under this new rules light regime.

The day that FW is gutted "taken over" by GW is the day I run screaming from 40k. I can't help feeling that head office have noted the popularity of Forgeworld's HH models and books and fancies their chances. There's a few things that could happen:

- GW produced plastics for the big sellers where it is actually economical to produce - i.e. buckets of Space Marine armour marks, Contemptors and terminators where as FW will produce resins for the not so big sellers. Rules, production and direction are FW led.
- GW fold HH inhouse in its entirety and take over its production with all the horrors that it will entail

Lets just say I am nervous about this release and what it means for Forgeworld, currently the only place I spend any money on GW and 40k related models and books. And that's because of the passion that comes across in each of their books and sculpts. If that stops, then I'm pretty much 2nd handing what I want, 40kwise, and investing even more in other game systems.

 Alpharius wrote:
The details of the Horus Heresy, revealed...

Rules for Primarchs...

And now plastic Horus Heresy models AND a game from GW?!?

This truly is...The End Times!

Truly...

There's also another path entirely, where they're just releasing marks of armor intended to be used for 40k...

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's also another path entirely, where they're just releasing marks of armor intended to be used for 40k...

I actually hope that's the case here - but the presence of Cataphractii Armor says otherwise, doesn't it?

Did we not get Cataphractii rules for 40K? I thought we did (but cannot think where so may be a figment of my imagination)

IIRC correctly Cataphractii have a better invulnerable save, but are Slow and Purposeful instead of Relentless.

 BrookM wrote:
IIRC correctly Cataphractii have a better invulnerable save, but are Slow and Purposeful instead of Relentless.

Yeah, but they're only in 30k, there's no rules for Cataphractii in 40k.

 Fayric wrote:
Its nice to see so many people entustiastic that GW-main will now take control of their beloved horus heresy.
I would have predicted great anxiety and doom-sayings over this.

Because it sounds like a one-off board game or they're simply adding to the existing Space Marines model line. I have confidence that Allan Blighe and crew will continue to put out HH stuff via the FW label.


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
IIRC correctly Cataphractii have a better invulnerable save, but are Slow and Purposeful instead of Relentless.

Yeah, but they're only in 30k, there's no rules for Cataphractii in 40k.

Correct, they are not in 40k...yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's also another path entirely, where they're just releasing marks of armor intended to be used for 40k...

I think this is very possible, as I'm sure others have noted, the kit builds a tactical squad... But legionary squads don't have special or heavy weapons... So the intent is clearly something different.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's also another path entirely, where they're just releasing marks of armor intended to be used for 40k...

I think this is very possible, as I'm sure others have noted, the kit builds a tactical squad... But legionary squads don't have special or heavy weapons... So the intent is clearly something different.

But tactical veteran squads do have special and heavy weapons. It's probably a Tactical Squad/Tactical Veteran Squad kit.

Modern 40K boxes don't carry pre-Heresy marks of special or heavy weapons.

At least, not yet

It will be interesting to see if the traitor legions actually get Legion Tactics in 30k or they reserve those for the loyalists.

Also dreading the inevitable sales-driven retcons. Reenact the epic Siege of Terra where the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves and Ultramarines fought off the traitor hordes of Horus!

We can only hope that the Tactical Squad package of the sprue points to a stand-alone thing and not the Dread Horror of a hostile takeover of Forge Worlds sublime work (especially rules and book-wise) on the HH.

If they do I will cry like a 5-year old and send a sharply-worded letter to the main office.

Followed by more tears.