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 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
You know, from a medical standpoint, cutting out meat and fish is not healthy.


Anyone who says otherwise is clearly lacking in intellect. Or research.

Thank you for saying I'm dumb because I'm a vegetarian!

There's plenty of replacement products for meat, though I guess they aren't as "manly" or something like that.

Full on vegetarian?

Like you still eat dairy eggs and what not?

Vegans get no dairy and non flesh animal products.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


They have a lot of nerve saying veganism is the "right thing for the living biosphere." Here are a couple living biosphere inhabitants...go tell them they're doing it wrong.

gak, those lions cook their steak the way i like it too.

I have no problem with vegans ; as long as they go be vegan somewhere else when i'm eating my bloody, 130 degree ribeye medium rare steak.

I view veganism like religion ; you're welcome to it, but i want no part of it, and don't come to my house and espouse it please.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Pigs are not what I would consider terrifying.

Clearly you've never been to the Southeastern part of the US:

Spoiler:

Wild Boar are fething ridiculous...

As i scrolled down too quickly, pretty sure i screamed like homer simpson at that.

On the plus side, the school will probably be filled with anti-vaxxer kids and the school will probably wipe itself out in short order.

LOL, agreed. Anti-vaxxers are the absolute worst.

So they eat vegamite on that school?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
As a Texan, it is required that we eat animals, especially terrifying ones. We honor them by eating them, and thus gaining their strength.

Pigs are not what I would consider terrifying.

But they are *very* delicious.

Mmm... Bacon.

I guess you never ran into a herd of feral hogs... eh?

They're a f'n pest here in some places.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
So they eat vegamite on that school?

(Is now imagining hundreds of children smearing gallons and gallons of Vegemite over a school house)

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
You know, from a medical standpoint, cutting out meat and fish is not healthy.


Anyone who says otherwise is clearly lacking in intellect. Or research.

Thank you for saying I'm dumb because I'm a vegetarian!

There's plenty of replacement products for meat, though I guess they aren't as "manly" or something like that.

He literally, at no point in that post, said people were dumb because they were vegetarians. He said they were vegetarians because they were dumb. Distinct difference.

Really though, he said neither of those. Well, kinda the second, but just a little bit.

 whembly wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
As a Texan, it is required that we eat animals, especially terrifying ones. We honor them by eating them, and thus gaining their strength.

Pigs are not what I would consider terrifying.

But they are *very* delicious.

Mmm... Bacon.

I guess you never ran into a herd of feral hogs... eh?

They're a f'n pest here in some places.

As above, nope. I have seen urban coyotes, though. Also raccoons & opossums.

Sounds like FREE bacon to me.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


They have a lot of nerve saying veganism is the "right thing for the living biosphere." Here are a couple living biosphere inhabitants...go tell them they're doing it wrong.

Are you implying that because animals murder, steal and gak in the woods, that we should too? While nature might be ingenious, animals are not. They do what they are programmed to do in order to survive, and will usually continue that behavior even if they are introduced to a new ecosystem where the behavior is destructive. Humans, on the other hand, have a choice.

I think morality is all about choice. In times of desperation, e.g. war/famine, people will stoop to all manner of depravity to survive: killing, stealing, cannibalism. If the only alternative is death, then it could be argued that they have no choice (at least not a choice they can live with). We do not live in a time of desperation. We do not need to kill, or steal, or resort to cannibalism. So we have the freedom to act in a way that is moral rather than just necessary.

I might not be a vegetarian, but I don't want to see animals suffer and treated cruelly to be my food. Given a choice I would rather have food that is treated ethically. I think in the future more and more people will start to see killing for food as something that is unnecessary entirely, and they will make a moral choice not to support it.

 Desubot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
You know, from a medical standpoint, cutting out meat and fish is not healthy.


Anyone who says otherwise is clearly lacking in intellect. Or research.

Thank you for saying I'm dumb because I'm a vegetarian!

There's plenty of replacement products for meat, though I guess they aren't as "manly" or something like that.

Full on vegetarian?

Like you still eat dairy eggs and what not?

Vegans get no dairy and non flesh animal products.

Yes.

Anyone who thinks being a vegetarian is the same as being a vegan, or confuses the two, is clearly lacking in intellect.
Comparing it with sex and spanking is dumb, too, seeing as they're completely unrelated and not good comparisons at all - although I guess it's pointless to argue against people's "vegetarians are all dumb and evil!!!11!"-opinion, seeing that eating meat is appatently required to be "cool" and "manly".

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
You know, from a medical standpoint, cutting out meat and fish is not healthy.


Anyone who says otherwise is clearly lacking in intellect. Or research.

Thank you for saying I'm dumb because I'm a vegetarian!

There's plenty of replacement products for meat, though I guess they aren't as "manly" or something like that.

Full on vegetarian?

Like you still eat dairy eggs and what not?

Vegans get no dairy and non flesh animal products.

Yes.

Anyone who thinks being a vegetarian is the same as being a vegan, or confuses the two, is clearly lacking in intellect.
Comparing it with sex and spanking is dumb, too, seeing as they're completely unrelated and not good comparisons at all - although I guess it's pointless to argue against people's "vegetarians are all dumb and evil!!!11!"-opinion, seeing that eating meat is appatently required to be "cool" and "manly".

Or it just tastes good.

 Desubot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
You know, from a medical standpoint, cutting out meat and fish is not healthy.


Anyone who says otherwise is clearly lacking in intellect. Or research.

Thank you for saying I'm dumb because I'm a vegetarian!

There's plenty of replacement products for meat, though I guess they aren't as "manly" or something like that.

Full on vegetarian?

Like you still eat dairy eggs and what not?

Vegans get no dairy and non flesh animal products.

Yes.

Anyone who thinks being a vegetarian is the same as being a vegan, or confuses the two, is clearly lacking in intellect.
Comparing it with sex and spanking is dumb, too, seeing as they're completely unrelated and not good comparisons at all - although I guess it's pointless to argue against people's "vegetarians are all dumb and evil!!!11!"-opinion, seeing that eating meat is appatently required to be "cool" and "manly".

Or it just tastes good.

Taste is subjective, and arguing that others should "not be suffered to live" () because you like something and they don't is ridiculous, and the argument that eating meat makes you a "real man" has been presented several times ITT.

The talk about meat being manly is people joking. The original point about cutting out animal products being unhealthy is correct (if a little missunderstood). You can live without meat, but to be healthy you do need animal products, such as eggs and milk. Many vegans claim otherwise, but vitamin B12 deficiency is incredably common in vegans, and to some extent vegitarians, and to a lesser extent iorn, zinc, calcium and some fatty acids. Now, these can be obtained by supliments, but that requires industrialisation and diat management to remain healthy.

The issue with vegetarianism is that many vegetarians rely heavily on milk for animal protine and vitamins. They ignore the issues in the milk industry with they wholesale slaughter of calves, who's bodies are often just disposed of, because the animal rights lobby have made veal so unfashionable that people still have an issue with rosey veal (which is not the same as white/crate veal).

I have no problem with people eating or not eating what they wish, making the choices they wish, and do think people eat far too much meat, but let's not pretend it is an absolute, black and white issue, that "meat is murder" or that cutting meat out of your diat is automatically healthy.

What gets me is how organisations that promote vegetarianism all are anti hunting. Apparently factory farming of milk and eggs is better than me shooting a wild rabbit, that is a pest, and lives it's life free and wild until one day it's shot in the head and instantly dead.

 Steve steveson wrote:
The talk about meat being manly is people joking. The original point about cutting out animal products being unhealthy is correct (if a little missunderstood). You can live without meat, but to be healthy you do need animal products, such as eggs and milk. Many vegans claim otherwise, but vitamin B12 deficiency is incredably common in vegans, and to some extent vegitarians, and to a lesser extent iorn, zinc, calcium and some fatty acids. Now, these can be obtained by supliments, but that requires industrialisation and diat management to remain healthy.

The issue with vegetarianism is that many vegetarians rely heavily on milk for animal protine and vitamins. They ignore the issues in the milk industry with they wholesale slaughter of calves, who's bodies are often just disposed of, because the animal rights lobby have made veal so unfashionable that people still have an issue with rosey veal (which is not the same as white/crate veal).

I have no problem with people eating or not eating what they wish, making the choices they wish, and do think people eat far too much meat, but let's not pretend it is an absolute, black and white issue, that "meat is murder" or that cutting meat out of your diat is automatically healthy.

What gets me is how organisations that promote vegetarianism all are anti hunting. Apparently factory farming of milk and eggs is better than me shooting a wild rabbit, that is a pest, and lives it's life free and wild until one day it's shot in the head and instantly dead.

This guy....... makes too much sense!


Also, noobbomb I think you need to step off the offended train, and realize that most of what is in this thread is a joke. This feels a bit like when my buddies and I make fun of shaven men for being girly and not manly due to no facial hair. Obviously beard doesn't make a man a man, but it's fun to poke at them none the less.

 Steve steveson wrote:


The issue with vegetarianism is that many vegetarians rely heavily on milk for animal protine and vitamins. They ignore the issues in the milk industry with they wholesale slaughter of calves, who's bodies are often just disposed of, because the animal rights lobby have made veal so unfashionable that people still have an issue with rosey veal (which is not the same as white/crate veal).

There's the REAL victim in all this: All those poor dead, uneaten baby cows!!! (I love veal, and lamb... and heck, I'd probably like caviar too, if I ever tried it, and eggs perhaps theres a trend here )

Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Vegan or not, my number one criteria regarding what I eat is: does it taste good?

I can make a lentil stew to knock the socks off someone who says "it's not a meal without meat!" But all vegan, all the time? No. Let's make a school next that only allows meat: we don't serve no greens here!!

Now I want a rack of fething ribs. Slathered in BBQ sauce. Fraz, can you airmail me some? World knows Texans make the best bbq. I'll skip the brontosaurus meat though.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Taste is subjective, and arguing that others should "not be suffered to live" () because you like something and they don't is ridiculous, and the argument that eating meat makes you a "real man" has been presented several times ITT.

Not sure who was telling you to no live or that meat makes you man but that is not indicative of how every omnivore or carnivore thinks.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Vegan or not, my number one criteria regarding what I eat is: does it taste good?

I can make a lentil stew to knock the socks off someone who says "it's not a meal without meat!" But all vegan, all the time? No. Let's make a school next that only allows meat: we don't serve no greens here!!

Now I want a rack of fething ribs. Slathered in BBQ sauce. Fraz, can you airmail me some? World knows Texans make the best bbq. I'll skip the brontosaurus meat though.

All meat all the time, here at this school, your kid will be constantly constipated

 cincydooley wrote:
Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

I'm in!

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


They have a lot of nerve saying veganism is the "right thing for the living biosphere." Here are a couple living biosphere inhabitants...go tell them they're doing it wrong.

I agree with Nuggz!

....it had to happen sometime.

Sorry, but not eating meat is like saying "Nah, I don't want to have sex. Not my thing".

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Pigs are not what I would consider terrifying.

Clearly you've never been to the Southeastern part of the US:



Wild Boar are fething ridiculous...

They are just piggies right.......
Wild boar are VERY dangerous, up there with Hippos.

The reason for this is that they are both aggressive and territorial but dont have the dangerous rep of a big cat. Hippos kill far more people than big cats do, and a Wild boar can really mess you up. Just ask Robert Baratheon.
Apologies for the fictional example but its not a myth that you had a stopper bar on a boar spear to stop a boar from killing you after you had already skewered it at spearpoint, and you don't need to impale a boar to make it mad enough to gore you.



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 Sigvatr wrote:
Sorry, but not eating meat is like saying "Nah, I don't want to have sex. Not my thing".

Abstinence is workable and more prevalent than you might think. The average age at which people lose their virginity is higher than the age people assume is the case. Though in both cases getting lower.

Todays society especially with the internet is incompatible with abstinence, but it is still common in the religious community. Problems arise where this is enforced, as with Catholic dogma, and us the roiot cause of th massive abuse. Other religions and denominations that have abstinent subsects one an volunteer to join are more healthy. There are a lot of women in this category, its generally an easier path for women as the sex drive is generally less and not always enjoyable. Still have a reduced sexual libido is considered amongst the gifts, I can understand why.

Vegetarianism is indeed similar, its a withdrawal from part of the natural order for moral reasons. A reduce sex drive is seen as a refocusing, a removal of meat intake is an ethical choice of its own, In thr christian tradition vegetarianism is considered not a gift but an 'acceptable weakness'. Vegetarianism is considered unnecessary abstinence (it a an agrarian society back then) but one where the moral reasons were acknowledgable as spiritually healthy.

I go along with this and don't criticise vegetarianism. the way I see it, veggies are giving up on one of the joys of life, eating meat in favour of a moral code. I cant find any fault in that and acknowledge their sacrifice. Vegan are the same but a little extreme, its ok to drink milk surely, even if its understandably not ok to kill the cow. vegans tend to explain thier cvhoices by the way the dairy industry also exploits animals. I can go along with that and approve of mandatory labeling of the sources of dairy products an eggs . Sometimes I buy cheaper eggs because I cannot afford, and feel ia little bad about that, but I am not wealthy. I would if I could have just free range and have no problem morally whatsoever in doing so, A free range hen is not exploited in any meaningful way, in fact i would say they have decent lives.

Got to go now, I really want a fried egg and bacon sandwich all of a sudden.

 cincydooley wrote:
Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

I want to roast a pig.


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 thenoobbomb wrote:
Anyone who thinks being a vegetarian is the same as being a vegan, or confuses the two, is clearly lacking in intellect.
Comparing it with sex and spanking is dumb, too, seeing as they're completely unrelated and not good comparisons at all - although I guess it's pointless to argue against people's "vegetarians are all dumb and evil!!!11!"-opinion, seeing that eating meat is appatently required to be "cool" and "manly".

You were the one who said there were acceptable replacements.

I disagreed, with an example of an equivalently poor replacement (spanking) for the real thing (sex).

You have failed to refute that.

So if anyone is "dumb", it's you.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

I want to roast a pig.


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 thenoobbomb wrote:
Anyone who thinks being a vegetarian is the same as being a vegan, or confuses the two, is clearly lacking in intellect.
Comparing it with sex and spanking is dumb, too, seeing as they're completely unrelated and not good comparisons at all - although I guess it's pointless to argue against people's "vegetarians are all dumb and evil!!!11!"-opinion, seeing that eating meat is appatently required to be "cool" and "manly".

You were the one who said there were acceptable replacements.

I disagreed, with an example of an equivalently poor replacement (spanking) for the real thing (sex).

You have failed to refute that.

So if anyone is "dumb", it's you.

Quite some substitutes. Some of them taste like crap, but quite a lot of them are nice enough, and provide your body with everything that meat does, too (save for the taste, I guess)., such as Quorn.
I don't eat meat, and I'm perfectly healthy - haven't even been ill for a day the past two years. Truth is, you don't need meat at all, as long as you eat suitable replacement products. It's also cheaper!

 Desubot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Taste is subjective, and arguing that others should "not be suffered to live" () because you like something and they don't is ridiculous, and the argument that eating meat makes you a "real man" has been presented several times ITT.

Not sure who was telling you to no live or that meat makes you man but that is not indicative of how every omnivore or carnivore thinks.

While the "suffer not the vegetarian to live" on this thread was quite clearly a joke, I've actually been told "Vegeterian? Go kill yourself" several times (in a non-joking manner, that is). The 'anti-vegetarian' mentality is absolutely ridiculous.

I think you misunderstand: they aren't telling you "go kill yourself," they're screaming at you "you're killing yourself!!" Clearly, you need meat to make the audio-receptors work. Let's hear it for the scientific method!!

 cincydooley wrote:
Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

Sure thing, let me grab my gun:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
As a Texan, it is required that we eat animals, especially terrifying ones. We honor them by eating them, and thus gaining their strength.

Pigs are not what I would consider terrifying.

But they are *very* delicious.

Mmm... Bacon.

You've clearly never been in the same general vicinity as an angry pig. You do NOT mess with an angry pig, they're one of the more dangerous animals. Wild pigs do actually hunt and kill things.

Its why you always carry a sidearm when hunting pigs. An injured pig is likely to turn and attack you instead of trying to run, and you're not going to win if it gets you.

Had wild boar once, was very tastey.

Dangerous hunting but good eating.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
As a Texan, it is required that we eat animals, especially terrifying ones. We honor them by eating them, and thus gaining their strength.

Pigs are not what I would consider terrifying.

But they are *very* delicious.

Mmm... Bacon.

You've clearly never been in the same general vicinity as an angry pig. You do NOT mess with an angry pig, they're one of the more dangerous animals. Wild pigs do actually hunt and kill things.

Its why you always carry a sidearm when hunting pigs. An injured pig is likely to turn and attack you instead of trying to run, and you're not going to win if it gets you.

Damn right:

Boar

Though not carnivores, these wild swine are bad-tempered and usually charge anyone who disturbs them. A boar is covered in coarse, grayish-black fur. Adult males are about 4 feet long and 3 feet high at the shoulder.

Ferocity (Ex)
A boar is such a tenacious combatant that it continues to fight without penalty even while disabled or dying.

Size/Type: Medium Animal
Hit Dice: 3d8+12 (25 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares)
Armor Class: 16 (+6 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 16
Base Attack/Grapple: +2/+4
Attack: Gore +4 melee (1d8+3)
Full Attack: Gore +4 melee (1d8+3)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Ferocity
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent
Saves: Fort +6, Ref +3, Will +2
Abilities: Str 15, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 4
Skills: Listen +7, Spot +5
Feats: Alertness, Toughness
Environment: Temperate forests
Organization: Solitary or herd (5-8)
Challenge Rating: 2
Advancement: 4-5 HD (Medium)
Level Adjustment: —





Way tougher than most orcs, a solitary boar is a challenge for a party of four second level characters.
Don't mess with feral piggies.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

I want to roast a pig.

Want to combo that?

 cincydooley wrote:
Thread makes me want to go wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Who's up for a trip to Big Lake with me?

I'm down. I'll bring my FAL and Garand.

 Orlanth wrote:
Adult males are about 4 feet long and 3 feet high at the shoulder.

You got some tiny pigs around wherever they took that measurement. They can be way bigger than that.