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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/04/justice-ferguson-inquiry/24365713/

WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department will not charge former Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson, whose fatal shooting of a black teenager prompted waves of protests and a national reexamination of law enforcement's relationship with minority communities.

Findings of Justice's inquiry into the incident come six months after 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot by Wilson, who is white.

According to the inquiry, "several witnesses stated that Brown appeared to pose a physical threat to Wilson as he moved toward Wilson."

"According to these witnesses, who are corroborated by blood evidence in the roadway," the inquiry states, "as Brown continued to move toward Wilson, Wilson fired at Brown in what appeared to be self defense and stopped firing once Brown fell to the ground."

The findings, while largely expected, were released Wednesday along with a scathing denouncement of policing in the city. That review found evidence that racial bias was rampant in the department that had long lost the public trust of its African American residents.


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DOJ: Ferguson PD engaged in racially biased policing

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The next steps in the Ferguson DOJ case
Among the most serious findings in the review: In nearly 90% of cases in which Ferguson documented the use of force, those actions were used against African Americans.

The review findings drew strong reaction in Ferguson where some said the report only affirmed their own experiences in the area.

Nathan Burns, 25, who lives four blocks away from Ferguson in an unincorporated city in St. Louis County, said racial bias stretches far past Ferguson and policing. He said racism impacts the lives of blacks in schools, at jobs, and in everyday interactions.

While he's encouraged by the Justice Department's findings, the high school algebra teacher hopes the report will make people reflect on the experiences of discrimination in other aspects of black life. Burns said he has been pulled more than 20 times by officers working for various St. Louis area departments in the last eight years. At times, Burns said officers, for no reason, have searched his car and home while he and friends sat on their front porches. Burns believes that he and many of his friends who are black have been targeted because of their race.

"There's a culture that has been created," Burns said. "A lot of people want to say racism is over with and that we are past that. But, time doesn't make everything disappear. Ignoring the fact that you have cancer is not going to stop you from having cancer. And, racism is like a cancer that people have been ignoring."

Ferguson real estate company owner Marion Blocker, 26, said he gets pulled over by various police departments about three times a month while driving his 2004 black Monte Carlo. He said the government's conclusions reminded him that African Americans need to be mentally prepared to remain cool during interactions with officers.

"Our reaction is everything," he said of he and other African Americans. "We need to know our rights and know how to be able to protect ourselves even if we know this is what's against us."

Blocker has learned what constitutes an illegal search as well as how to properly communicate his feelings to police if he believes an officer isn't applying the law correctly. He hopes other African Americans do the same and teach their children.

"Racism is being taught everyday," he said. "It's so ingrained in just the human existence of who we are….I fit the description but who doesn't fit the description of being black and driving?"

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Great....Although expected, it's not going to do much to ease whatever tension there may be left over from the actual shooting.


 
   
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The sad thing over this whole ordeal is that Brown would've likely be still alive had he done exactly that.

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The sad thing over this whole ordeal is that Brown would've likely be still alive had he done exactly that.

Yeah, I find it odd that this is the case people are rallying over, Not Eric Garner and not Tamir Rice. but this one.
Ferguson is an interesting case study about when a community reaches boiling point and erupts. How even when confronted with the truth they ignore it because it is such a powerful symbol

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Good news.

   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
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The sad thing over this whole ordeal is that Brown would've likely be still alive had he done exactly that.

Yeah, I find it odd that this is the case people are rallying over, Not Eric Garner and not Tamir Rice. but this one.
Ferguson is an interesting case study about when a community reaches boiling point and erupts. How even when confronted with the truth they ignore it because it is such a powerful symbol


Its a case study in outside agitators destroying a local community and then leaving like locusts to the next field.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
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The sad thing over this whole ordeal is that Brown would've likely be still alive had he done exactly that.

Yeah, I find it odd that this is the case people are rallying over, Not Eric Garner and not Tamir Rice. but this one.
Ferguson is an interesting case study about when a community reaches boiling point and erupts. How even when confronted with the truth they ignore it because it is such a powerful symbol

It's just mob rule and race baiting.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Hands up! Don't shoot!


The sad thing over this whole ordeal is that Brown would've likely be still alive had he done exactly that.

Yeah, I find it odd that this is the case people are rallying over, Not Eric Garner and not Tamir Rice. but this one.
Ferguson is an interesting case study about when a community reaches boiling point and erupts. How even when confronted with the truth they ignore it because it is such a powerful symbol


Its a case study in outside agitators destroying a local community and then leaving like locusts to the next field.

Frazzled has it right here...

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So soon after they declared there were not going to pursue civil rights violations against Zimmerman.

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 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
Great....Although expected, it's not going to do much to ease whatever tension there may be left over from the actual shooting.


I think the findings are a mixed bag as far as the tensions are concerned.

While it finds no case against the officer itself, which may increase tensions, it also affirms the protesters' complaints about the operations and mindset of the police department, which may decrease tensions. It's up to the departments in the area to make changes based on these finding a to regain the trust of the public they serve.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
Great....Although expected, it's not going to do much to ease whatever tension there may be left over from the actual shooting.


I think the findings are a mixed bag as far as the tensions are concerned.

While it finds no case against the officer itself, which may increase tensions, it also affirms the protesters' complaints about the operations and mindset of the police department, which may decrease tensions. It's up to the departments in the area to make changes based on these finding a to regain the trust of the public they serve.

I think that's a lost cause...

They can't even get African Americans to even apply for that department.

The region may be better off to disband the Ferguson PD, and let the County patrol.

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They conveniently fail to discuss frequency of acts warranting use of force in their discussion.

In order to tell if there's a bias, you want to demonstrate that the use of force is more frequent for a given group, given the frequency of acts warranting a use of force.

I'm not saying a bias doesn't exist, only that the study doesn't seem to address the problem. They say that 90% of the use of force incidents involved blacks. What percentage of crimes warranting the use of force in Ferguson are committed by blacks? If it's 90% then we don't really have a bias.

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Good. This won't do anything to help or ease racial tensions, but in this specific case, I think the cop acted in self defense and I don't think he should be convicted.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
They conveniently fail to discuss frequency of acts warranting use of force in their discussion.

In order to tell if there's a bias, you want to demonstrate that the use of force is more frequent for a given group, given the frequency of acts warranting a use of force.

I'm not saying a bias doesn't exist, only that the study doesn't seem to address the problem. They say that 90% of the use of force incidents involved blacks. What percentage of crimes warranting the use of force in Ferguson are committed by blacks? If it's 90% then we don't really have a bias.

I believe the bias is overstated... (I'm not totally discounting it and it does warrant a review obviously)

I lived about 10 minutes away from there, and lived in this region my whole life.

In the last few decades, Ferguson became more black and the remaining whites are getting older. So, if most of the residences are black, then most of the "pull overs" and "arrests" will be black. It's just simple math.


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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/prosecutors-consider-charges-against-brown-family-members-897543

I'm not a big fan of the source, but you work with what you got.

MARCH 4--Prosecutors are now considering criminal charges against members of Michael Brown’s family in connection with a violent confrontation over the sale of merchandise commemorating the late teenager, who was shot to death last year by a police officer.

The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney recently received the results of a months-long investigation by Ferguson Police Department detectives who probed the October 18 beating and robbery of t-shirt vendors, one of whom was hospitalized following the assault.

A prosecutor’s spokesperson told TSG that lawyers are now reviewing material forwarded by police, a package that addresses charges that could be filed against the suspects.

The decision on whether to pursue charges in connection with the ransacking of the “Justice for Mike Brown” merchandise operation (seen above) is particularly sensitive since Lesley McSpadden, Brown’s mother, is named in a police report as one of the “attackers” who participated in the assault, which cops classified as a felony armed robbery.

Additionally, prosecutors are mulling charges in the face of a Department of Justice probe that has concluded that Ferguson cops have engaged in a “pattern and practice” of discrimination against African-American citizens, whose rights have routinely been violated by members of the Missouri city’s predominantly white police force.

The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney also handled the grand jury presentment in the Brown case, which ended when jurors declined to vote indictments against Officer Darren Wilson, the Ferguson cop who killed the unarmed teenager.

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Well, I think the issue there whembly is the population is 70% black, but 93% of police activity (specifically stops and arrests) involve blacks, in other words its disproportionate to the population demographics if one were to assume that blacks commit crimes at the same rate as the rest of the population, which is a faulty assumption in and of itself since that only takes skin color (which is meaningless as a predictor of criminal behavior) into account and doesn't bother to cross reference it with socio-economic considerations like increased poverty (which IS a predictor of criminal behavior) within the black community into account.

In any case, the outcome was as I (and any reasonable person) would have expected. Yes, law enforcement is (generally speaking) racially biased, but Darren Wilson didn't act in a criminal or racially charged manner in the shooting of Michael Brown.

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 djones520 wrote:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/prosecutors-consider-charges-against-brown-family-members-897543

I'm not a big fan of the source, but you work with what you got.

MARCH 4--Prosecutors are now considering criminal charges against members of Michael Brown’s family in connection with a violent confrontation over the sale of merchandise commemorating the late teenager, who was shot to death last year by a police officer.

The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney recently received the results of a months-long investigation by Ferguson Police Department detectives who probed the October 18 beating and robbery of t-shirt vendors, one of whom was hospitalized following the assault.

A prosecutor’s spokesperson told TSG that lawyers are now reviewing material forwarded by police, a package that addresses charges that could be filed against the suspects.

The decision on whether to pursue charges in connection with the ransacking of the “Justice for Mike Brown” merchandise operation (seen above) is particularly sensitive since Lesley McSpadden, Brown’s mother, is named in a police report as one of the “attackers” who participated in the assault, which cops classified as a felony armed robbery.

Additionally, prosecutors are mulling charges in the face of a Department of Justice probe that has concluded that Ferguson cops have engaged in a “pattern and practice” of discrimination against African-American citizens, whose rights have routinely been violated by members of the Missouri city’s predominantly white police force.

The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney also handled the grand jury presentment in the Brown case, which ended when jurors declined to vote indictments against Officer Darren Wilson, the Ferguson cop who killed the unarmed teenager.
please dont, I won't want ore protests at my school

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But that assumes blacks and whites both behave in the same manner, and perform actions that attract police attention at the same rates. If all the white population ever does is get the occasional speeding ticket, but black gang members are constantly getting arrested for vandalism and getting into fights, then it has nothing to do with any descrimination on behalf of the police.

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Don't automatically assume that disproportionate = evidence of racial issues.

I read the whole report...
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html

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