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Relapse wrote:
I wouldn't want my daughters or son in a vulnerable position with someone who claims to identify as a woman or man but is really just looking for easy victims.
I would venture 95 of parents believe the same way.

why are your kids in a locker room at the gym anyway? Or locker rooms at all At thatvage.

 d-usa wrote:
And at some point parents didn't want their white daughter with a black man who said he was nice but who was really just looking for easy victims.

It's not even slightly the same. That black man wasn't claiming to be/dressed as a white woman.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
And at some point parents didn't want their white daughter with a black man who said he was nice but who was really just looking for easy victims.

It's not even slightly the same. That black man wasn't claiming to be/dressed as a white woman.

They aren't claiming to be, they are.

I feel like I've seen this South Park episode.

 daedalus wrote:
I feel like I've seen this South Park episode.

are we all a buncha Cissies?

 daedalus wrote:
I feel like I've seen this South Park episode.

I always preferred King of the Hill
I went to Texas once, I was unprepared for the accents some people had.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
And at some point parents didn't want their white daughter with a black man who said he was nice but who was really just looking for easy victims.

It's not even slightly the same. That black man wasn't claiming to be/dressed as a white woman.

They are exactly the same. People reacting to threats that they fabricated in their heads, pedophile on disguise/abusive black man, instead of reacting to what is actually happening.

 d-usa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
And at some point parents didn't want their white daughter with a black man who said he was nice but who was really just looking for easy victims.

It's not even slightly the same. That black man wasn't claiming to be/dressed as a white woman.

They are exactly the same. People reacting to threats that they fabricated in their heads, pedophile on disguise/abusive black man, instead of reacting to what is actually happening.

Also, who is to say the guy in the male locker room isnt praying aswell.

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

I always preferred King of the Hill
I went to Texas once, I was unprepared for the accents some people had.

King of the Hill gets points for the subtlety, but I have a hard time dealing with the fact that people like that actually exist.

 daedalus wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

I always preferred King of the Hill
I went to Texas once, I was unprepared for the accents some people had.

King of the Hill gets points for the subtlety, but I have a hard time dealing with the fact that people like that actually exist.

Ehh, Hank, I liked hank. He was actually a good person and what I imagine most real republicans are like. Decent people, helpful and just concerned about his family, their well being and about his lawn.
He could get devious and evil sometimes though with his revenge.

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wouldn't want my daughters or son in a vulnerable position with someone who claims to identify as a woman or man but is really just looking for easy victims.
I would venture 95 of parents believe the same way.

And at some point parents didn't want their white daughter with a black man who said he was nice but who was really just looking for easy victims.

Not even the same thing.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wouldn't want my daughters or son in a vulnerable position with someone who claims to identify as a woman or man but is really just looking for easy victims.
I would venture 95 of parents believe the same way.

why are your kids in a locker room at the gym anyway? Or locker rooms at all At thatvage.

Because they're old enough to be, maybe?

Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

 Sienisoturi wrote:
A. The current phycological census is that seeing naked adults with opposite anatomical features can be harmful for the child.

Citation needed. And please remember to pay attention to the difference between "X is inherently harmful" and "X is harmful because we treat it as a shameful thing", as well as the fact that not all societies share the US attitude towards non-sexual nudity and yet still have children that don't suffer from serious psychological damage.

B. Do you have any evidence that transgender people feel insulted by that?

You mean besides the transgender people saying "'bathroom laws' are incredibly stupid and offensive"?

Also age matters, children generally stop seeing their parents naked at the age of 4-8

Except when their parents bring them into a locker room full of naked people and then take off all of their own clothes? Or did we forget that we're talking about a situation where a parent has already brought their child into a place where naked people are expected?

No reason to be aggressive. You make a statement, you provide the evidence.

No, there's a reason to be aggressive, because you clearly didn't even take a few seconds to do a google search for attacks on transgendered people.

Yes, but then it reduces the danger if only people with the same anatomical features are allowed in one changing room.

No it doesn't, because a person who is looking for a victim to abuse is already breaking the law. Do you honestly think that a potential rapist (or whatever other abuser you want to consider) is going to say "well, guess I can't do this, the sign says I'm not allowed in here"? It's a sign, not a magic one-sex force field.

I have always figured change stalls should be part of a change room, it avoids all the issues including cell phone cameras.
Individual shower stalls can be done rather than communal ones.
Call me a prude but any means of avoiding seeing anyone's junk keeps things civil.
The unisex change room is not what people typically like but may need to be a necessity.
Like a Men's or ladies only club: good luck with that.

 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships

Relapse wrote:
I wouldn't want my daughters or son in a vulnerable position with someone who claims to identify as a woman or man but is really just looking for easy victims.
I would venture 95 of parents believe the same way.

Oh good, this thread wouldn't have been complete without the "what about the rapists" argument. I guess we're just going to ignore the fact that they're already in a vulnerable position, since abusers can also be looking for easy same-sex victims?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I would wager they have the capacity to be harmful to children as much as anyone else.

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I would wager they have the capacity to be harmful to children as much as anyone else.

Ok than, why is letting Transpeople allowed in a bathroom/changing room bad?
Or is it that is is not and this is fear mongering related our fear of the systematic breakdown on how we see sex and gender?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Ok than, why is letting Transpeople allowed in a bathroom/changing room bad?
Or is it that is is not and this is fear mongering related our fear of the systematic breakdown on how we see sex and gender?

To answer that, I'd need to understand why we have separate restrooms for both genders to begin with?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I had cause to work closely with CPS a few years ago as well as had several talks with a cousin who worked children's cases for 30 years.
There are a fair number of ways that someone who claims to identify as a different gender can harm children. Rape is the first thing that comes to mind, injury, both physical and mental, is another.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I would wager they have the capacity to be harmful to children as much as anyone else.

Ok than, why is letting Transpeople allowed in a bathroom/changing room bad?
Or is it that is is not and this is fear mongering related our fear of the systematic breakdown on how we see sex and gender?

I think the fear is more of my first comment in the thread; not of people whom identify as women/men, but as those who use said identifying to just cheat the system.

Say, less the Woman Trapped in a Man's Body wanting to be in the female bathroom with kids, but the Male Child Molester who "Identifies" as a woman to get into the female bathroom with kids.

 Slarg232 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I would wager they have the capacity to be harmful to children as much as anyone else.

Ok than, why is letting Transpeople allowed in a bathroom/changing room bad?
Or is it that is is not and this is fear mongering related our fear of the systematic breakdown on how we see sex and gender?

I think the fear is more of my first comment in the thread; not of people whom identify as women/men, but as those who use said identifying to just cheat the system.

Say, less the Woman Trapped in a Man's Body wanting to be in the female bathroom with kids, but the Male Child Molester who "Identifies" as a woman to get into the female bathroom with kids.

This is quite on the mark.

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I had cause to work closely with CPS a few years ago as well as had several talks with a cousin who worked children's cases for 30 years.
There are a fair number of ways that someone who claims to identify as a different gender can harm children. Rape is the first thing that comes to mind, injury, both physical and mental, is another.

There is also a fair number of ways someone who is cisgendered to harm your kids. That guy who just got done working on the tennis court could be a predator. that is a legitimate fear, but do you stop your son from going in the locker room(Hypothetically speaking, I dont know anything about you).

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ime, gyms and locker rooms(excluding those from High Schools)+ do not allow those under 18 to go into them.

They do here.

Ok then. I again ask the problem. How is someone that identifies as a women harmful to kids?

I had cause to work closely with CPS a few years ago as well as had several talks with a cousin who worked children's cases for 30 years.
There are a fair number of ways that someone who claims to identify as a different gender can harm children. Rape is the first thing that comes to mind, injury, both physical and mental, is another.

Then I am sure you are well aware that the family member in the same dressing room is more of a risk to the child than any stranger regardless of gender identification.

I wonder what they do when a trans wants to join at women's only place like curves.

We had a guy get banned at our gym because he was completely naked and jerking it in the sauna while making direct eye contact with several over people in the locker room. Police got called to remove him from the place and he got banned.

 stanman wrote:
I wonder what they do when a trans wants to join at women's only place like curves.

We had a guy get banned at our gym because he was completely naked and jerking it in the sauna while making direct eye contact with several over people in the locker room. Police got called to remove him from the place and he got banned.

I fail to see how the latter has anything to do with this conversation.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 stanman wrote:
I wonder what they do when a trans wants to join at women's only place like curves.

We had a guy get banned at our gym because he was completely naked and jerking it in the sauna while making direct eye contact with several over people in the locker room. Police got called to remove him from the place and he got banned.

I fail to see how the latter has anything to do with this conversation.

You don't need to be in the opposite sexes locker room to be inappropriate.