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Several hours after you'd ostensibly finished work for the day, and not at the location you worked? Less certain.
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The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Not especially, like I said, there working life isn't exactly typical, but having worked in a hotel that occasionally hosted the odd film crew back in the day, I can assure you that once they're done for the day and back at the hotel, it is categorically not in anything resembling any work environment I've encountered.
It isn't wholly inaccurate to say they're were in a work environment, but equally, it isn't exactly accurate either.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
So, is it acceptable for Clarkson to hold the guy accountable for the hotel not putting steak on for him and physically go for him then? Sounds like he's angry about it because he sees having the steak there as part of the guys job. I mean, threats to have the guy fired also play into that.
If someone I worked with called me a "lazy Irish c***" in that context, I might have showed a lot less restraint that the producer showed.
None of what Clarkson did was acceptable, why the hell would you even ask that question?
My contention is that it isn't anything that doesn't happen all over the world every day of the week and pass without comment (drunk, hungry people do stupid stuff) and that considering the circumstances under which it seems to have happened, while he might have a working relationship with the other party, it isn't necessarily a matter for their employer.
Plus there's the fact their contracts are all due for renegotiation in the very near future and that Clarkson himself apparently reported the incident (suggesting either an ulterior motive or genuine remorse) and the fact that James May called it not too big of a deal (or words to that effect) when the press door stepped him, AND that apparently there's an anti-competition clause in Clarkson's current contract which would be invalidated should he get fired, and I think there's way more to this than meets the eye, while simultaneously not actually being anything like as big a deal as the press are making it out to be.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I like Top gear and Clarkson is funny at times, the bad thing is that he has no respect for other cultures, and has no remorse on anything he said in the past.
On top of that he seems to have diva tantrums? He is the Ted Nugent of the car lobby.
One part of the article I do certainly agree with:
Clarkson said... "Top Gear has been a great show, but has been ruined by the corporation". Yep, compared to the old stuff, it's hard to argue that recent series haven't been sanitised and made dull, probably by pressure from on high.
I look forward to "Best Gear" on Sky/ITV/Chanel 4 in a few month's time...
Update: The Stig delivers the petition to reinstate Jeremy Clarkson... in a tank.
The Stig’ has delivered a petition with nearly one million signatures to the BBC in a bid to get Clarkson reinstated following his ‘fracas’ with a producer.
Someone dressed as Top Gear’s tame racing driver caused scenes in London today by posing on top of a moving tank, as it took to the streets of Central London.
At the time of writing, the petition, set up by political blogger Guido Fawkes, is just over 8,000 signatures short of the one million mark.
It comes after Clarkson reportedly alleged that he’d been sacked, and told his charity gala audience that Top Gear used to be great, but ‘bosses had f***** it up’.
The BBC is refusing to confirm rumours that Clarkson has been sacked, saying BBC Scotland head Ken MacQuarrie is considering the evidence and a verdict will be reported next week.
Previous Stigs, Ben Collins and Perry McCarthy have both spoken out this week, disagreeing about whether Top Gear needs Clarkson.
One part of the article I do certainly agree with:
Clarkson said... "Top Gear has been a great show, but has been ruined by the corporation". Yep, compared to the old stuff, it's hard to argue that recent series haven't been sanitised and made dull, probably by pressure from on high.
I look forward to "Best Gear" on Sky/ITV/Chanel 4 in a few month's time...
It also looks like May and Hammond won't do the show without Clarkson either..
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I want Alan Carr to replace Clarkson, just to feel the psychic disturbance in the Force as a million yobs cry out in anguish.
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The BBC can't win. They're being bashed for having a leftie bias and pushing him out. He punched a colleague in the face, nobody can dp that and not face sacking. Some are even drawing comparisons to the BBC covering up Jimmy Saville's abuse as signs of their bias against Clarkson, because I supppsr not acting on rumours 30 years ago means you shouldn't act on a reported physical assault today. Anyway, Saville was a Tory boy who hung around with conservative MPs.
If the BBC hadn't sacked him they would be bashed for playing favourites and letting their stars get away with anything and whitewashing stuff. It's pretty much evidence that whatever the BBC does there are certain people looking to criticise them. Frankly as much as I like Top Gear, what he did was extremely unprofessional and the BBC responded in probably the best way.
The only dubious part about this for me is the 'unnamed' boss who drew comparisons between Clarkson and Saville. Either the newspapers printing that were making it up or there's senior people in the BBC who are also being unprofessional and hiding behind anonymity, which isn't acceptable IMO.
Daily Mail stories have a lot more truth to them than you might think, they get the 'liar' label because its expedient combined with the fact that other papers will not run the same stories, with exception of the Daily Express.
A lot of the 'PC gone mad' stories are actually true but no other paper would generally touch them.
A good example:
The also posted a lot of critique of New Labour ijn the last decade that no other paper would touch either. the Daily Mail alone posted the story in 2006 of a secret deal to sell out Gibraltar by Blair. No other paper touched it. Because the Daily Mail did it was 'lies' however the memoires of a retired senior Labour politician Peter Hain published in 2012 confirmed the story. It was only then that the Daily Mail could effectively revisit the story.
The Guardian is just as extreme the other way but avoid the same taint.
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Orlanth wrote: Daily Mail stories have a lot more truth to them than you might think, they get the 'liar' label because its expedient combined with the fact that other papers will not run the same stories, with exception of the Daily Express.
A lot of the 'PC gone mad' stories are actually true but no other paper would generally touch them.
A good example:
The also posted a lot of critique of New Labour ijn the last decade that no other paper would touch either. the Daily Mail alone posted the story in 2006 of a secret deal to sell out Gibraltar by Blair. No other paper touched it. Because the Daily Mail did it was 'lies' however the memoires of a retired senior Labour politician Peter Hain published in 2012 confirmed the story. It was only then that the Daily Mail could effectively revisit the story.
The Guardian is just as extreme the other way but avoid the same taint.
No, the Mail has the label of "liar" because half of the stuff they print is complete crap. They know their target audience and they write stories in order to sell their worthless rag to them, normally involving something along the lines of "Herp, derp, immigrants are bad". The Daily Express... well, there's a reason you can play bingo with the headlines...
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No, the Mail has the label of "liar" because half of the stuff they print is complete crap. They know their target audience and they write stories in order to sell their worthless rag to them, normally involving something along the lines of "Herp, derp, immigrants are bad". The Daily Express... well, there's a reason you can play bingo with the headlines...
Just because you don't like what they print doesnt make it 'complete crap'.
In case you haven't noticed there are race relations issues in the UK. That's not a myth or a lie. Rather the elephant in the room.
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If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
The BBC have some hard decisions to make, its clear the trio will appear elsewhere, though when cameramen appeared at James May's door he was very careful what he said.
The trouble with a follow up show is that it wont be as good. The UK has a strong nanny state attitude and Top Gear can get away with messing about because it was made by the government.
A private concern trying the same stuff will be health and safety'ed to death.
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You certainly have a lot of people who think that, I'll give you that much.
So are you refuting it or are you just pointlessly sniping at Orlanth?
I'm just sniping, because there's nothing to refute. He's making a claim, not I. Regardless, seeing that the UK is typically an economically more liberal country than the rest of Europe, making a case for it being a nanny-state is going to be rather interesting, to say the least.
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I'm just sniping, because there's nothing to refute. He's making a claim, not I. Regardless, seeing that the UK is typically an economically more liberal country than the rest of Europe, making a case for it being a nanny-state is going to be rather interesting, to say the least.
ok where to begin. Over in the Uk the concept of 'nanny state' is well established in the public psyche with good reason. So I didn't think to have to add examples.
I know some rescue workers though and the stories they tell.
Apparently the emergency services need special individual certification to enter water more then three foot deep, because health and safety.
I heard reports of a fire service team who stoop on the banks of a canal while a victim drowned because they wouldn't enter the water, even in survival gear.
This was because of a separate incident when two policemen were sacked for misconduct for entering water to rescue someone in violation of health and safety.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
ok where to begin. Over in the Uk the concept of 'nanny state' is well established in the public psyche with good reason.
Generally amongst Daily Mail readers rather than the 'public psyche'. It's a phrase that gets wheeled out in between articles of 'bad immigrants' and 'political correctness gets hardworking english man sacked'.
In other words, like those two things, there's a grain of truth to it, but it's mostly second hand or badly reported stories blown up and exaggerated for the purpose of rabblerousing and newspaper sales.
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The Daily Mail is trash, it's a tabloid so what can you expect? Full of stories about immigrants to provoke knee jerk reactions. They also have a peculiar habit of juxtaposing finger-wagging morality pieces opposite 'phwoar, she's growing up nicely' type pieces with attractive women on beaches. Some of their columnists are grotesque, writing pieces that are little more than the equivalent of clickbait.
If you want to read a right wing paper that doesn't make you feel grubby, try the Times or Telegraph.
in the end, if a nanny state is one where you get punished for assaulting your work colleagues then i'm ok with that. you'd have to be a complete arsehole to think that his behaviour in this case is ok. britain isn't a nanny state though, its one where all the power is being given to the rich elites at the expense of the poor and powerless.
I never got why Clarkson was so beloved. I mean, his banter is amusing, but he always came off as something of an arrogant jerkwad, not a terribly likeable guy.
It may just be a cultural thing, I'm an American, not a Brit, and haven't seen hundreds of episodes of the show, but I was just never particularly impressed by Clarkson in the few dozen episodes I've seen over the years.
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