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Squidmanlolz wrote: He was the most vibrant and forward personality on the show whereas James and Hammond (or rather their TV personas) are less entertaining to watch on their own.
I missed this first time round, both May and Hammond have loads of other smaller psudeo-educational shows aired from time to time like Hammonds "Should I worry about?", or Mays "Man Lab". Whilst it's not the Top Gear style of entertainment ("accidently" writing penis on a car door or sat nav route), I find their shows to much better than the ones Clarkson did on his own.
That said, he was key to the grouping and I don't think the dynamic would be the same without him.
Clarkson has also shown to be totally inept outside of Top Gear. Looking uncomfortable and a bit out of his depth in anything else he is in, be it being a guest on chat or panel shows or his own chat show thing that he briefly had.
I shall miss his antics on Top Gear but the BBC were right not to renew. They would have had to dismiss him if not for the violence then the racial slurs. I do not thing it is a great argument to say that because pedophiles and others got away with lots in the past of the BBC that Clarkson should also get a free ride.
Orlanth wrote: Daily Mail stories have a lot more truth to them than you might think...
I used to be heavily involved in a forum that did a lot of fact checking on Daily Mail stories, and wrote a couple of university essays based on Daily Fail stories, and while they generally contain the legally required tiny grain of truth they are so full of bias and politically motivated conclusion jumping that you would be better informed about current events diving them from chicken entrails and the flight of birds rather than reading that 'news'paper.
The sad thing about Clarkson is that it is inevitable that some other broadcaster will pick up his contract so he can continue polluting the airwaves with his loutish and ignorant behaviour.
Orlanth wrote: Daily Mail stories have a lot more truth to them than you might think...
I used to be heavily involved in a forum that did a lot of fact checking on Daily Mail stories, and wrote a couple of university essays based on Daily Fail stories, and while they generally contain the legally required tiny grain of truth they are so full of bias and politically motivated conclusion jumping that you would be better informed about current events diving them from chicken entrails and the flight of birds rather than reading that 'news'paper.
If strong political slant was the offense rather than facts you could rule out the Sun, Mirror, Express and Guardian. So why don't people?
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Orlanth wrote: If strong political slant was the offense rather than facts you could rule out the Sun, Mirror, Express and Guardian. So why don't people?
Because the right wing is "evil". That's the way it works.
The right thinks the left are stupid.
The left thinks the right is evil.
It's a different mindset. One dismisses the other because they're just dumb and misguided. The other seems to actively seek out opportunities to shame and defame because their opponents are "bad people".
I don't read any newspapers anymore. The mail deserves special consideration though due to the absolute gak that it prints and its baffling popularity. The Express is arguably worse and the people who actually buy the Sun shouldn't be allowed to vote (or breed).
Orlanth wrote: Daily Mail stories have a lot more truth to them than you might think...
I used to be heavily involved in a forum that did a lot of fact checking on Daily Mail stories, and wrote a couple of university essays based on Daily Fail stories, and while they generally contain the legally required tiny grain of truth they are so full of bias and politically motivated conclusion jumping that you would be better informed about current events diving them from chicken entrails and the flight of birds rather than reading that 'news'paper.
If strong political slant was the offense rather than facts you could rule out the Sun, Mirror, Express and Guardian. So why don't people?
I would rule out anything written by the first three instantly. I might pay some attention to the Guardian on occasion, but you have to know what their equivalent of 'immigrant' stories in the Daily Mail are (for example, Israel), so you can ignore/read between the lines appropriately.
Get me The Times, the Independent, the Guardian, and the Telegraph, filter the stories from any through a fine mesh of bias knowledge, and you get the most accurate variant. Pay any attention to the Daily Star, Express, Mail, Sun, Mirror, or anything like that, and you might as well be reading a more politicised dumbed down version of the Metro.
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Squidmanlolz wrote: He was the most vibrant and forward personality on the show whereas James and Hammond (or rather their TV personas) are less entertaining to watch on their own.
I missed this first time round, both May and Hammond have loads of other smaller psudeo-educational shows aired from time to time like Hammonds "Should I worry about?", or Mays "Man Lab". Whilst it's not the Top Gear style of entertainment ("accidently" writing penis on a car door or sat nav route), I find their shows to much better than the ones Clarkson did on his own.
That said, he was key to the grouping and I don't think the dynamic would be the same without him.
I personally found May's other shows (Man Lab, and the earlier toy one... forgot the name) to be boring as hell... he does the same gak on those as he does on Top Gear, only difference is, in Top Gear, they either do a nifty cut where his incessant droning dwindles into the next shot, or Jeremy and Richard override him with whatever they are going to say next. Seriously, the dude could spend 20 minutes of a 30 minute episode talking about the pros and properties of the particular type of plastic that Air Fix uses in their model kits. No one really fething cares about that, and it gets old and boring real quick.
Orlanth wrote: Daily Mail stories have a lot more truth to them than you might think...
I used to be heavily involved in a forum that did a lot of fact checking on Daily Mail stories, and wrote a couple of university essays based on Daily Fail stories, and while they generally contain the legally required tiny grain of truth they are so full of bias and politically motivated conclusion jumping that you would be better informed about current events diving them from chicken entrails and the flight of birds rather than reading that 'news'paper.
If strong political slant was the offense rather than facts you could rule out the Sun, Mirror, Express and Guardian. So why don't people?
Because it is fine to have a slant but that is different from making things up.
Because it is fine to have a slant but that is different from making things up.
Which you keep on insisting is the case when in FACT as examples were given already stories they cover and none else does are found out in hindsight to be true.
Perhaps you are mistaking 'making things up' for 'not being in line with the progressive concensus'. Not unlikely in this increasingly dogmatised society people are being mentally consditioned to beleive that if something isnt PC it must be either a lie or hatespeech. It is in vacuums like this that problems like the Rochester abuse fester.
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Orlanth wrote: If strong political slant was the offense rather than facts you could rule out the Sun, Mirror, Express and Guardian. So why don't people?
Because the right wing is "evil". That's the way it works.
The right thinks the left are stupid.
The left thinks the right is evil.
It's a different mindset. One dismisses the other because they're just dumb and misguided. The other seems to actively seek out opportunities to shame and defame because their opponents are "bad people".
In this case, no, it's nothing to do with that, the Daily Mail really is just that bad. The Daily Mail is known for fact-free sensationalist ranting in the same way the Guardian is known for wishy-washy middle-class leftism and terrible spelling/sub-editing, or the Sun is known for...erm...bewbs? I mean seriously, it's wall-to-wall "hang-em-all, bloody immigrants, bloody foreigners, This Thing Will Give You And/Or Cure Cancer!, Is There A Pedo In Your Garden Shed? The Answer Will Shock You! Cont. on page 7, Shock Expose: Brown People Exist, Hide Yo Wife, Hide Yo Daughters!". This is why people ridicule the Daily Mail:
Also, that's a lovely wide brush you have there, so easy to paint those lovely broad strokes. I've met plenty of lefties who consider the right misguided but fundamentally good-intentioned, and plenty of right wingers who view anyone marginally to the left of Ayn Rand as Stalin reincarnated as a Communist fifth-columnist that should be locked away in a dungeon lest their twisted and evil ideas gain any purchase.
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Interesting article in the Guardian this morning...
Jeremy Clarkson joins Guardian drive for fossil fuel divestment
The disgraced former Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has become the latest celebrity to support the Guardian’s campaign for fossil fuel divestment.
Following what he described as a “dark night of the soul”, Clarkson said he hoped to “regain the trust of the British public” by dedicating his time and financial resources to sustainable energy, road safety and forging mutual understanding and tolerance between people of different cultures and religions.
The 54-year-old said that the “fracas” last month, in which he punched a producer on the patio of a North Yorkshire hotel, had prompted him to “re-evaluate his priorities” and reflect deeply on his life, behaviour and carbon footprint.
The argument for divesting from fossil fuels is becoming overwhelming
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The BBC opted not to renew Clarkson’s contract after the incident at the Simonstone Hall hotel, in the Yorkshire Dales, which left producer Oisin Tymon needing hospital treatment. More than 1.5 million Britons signed an online petition calling for Clarkson to be reinstated and for a relaxation of the laws against assault in cases that could be demonstrated to involve banter.
“Top Gear was a wild ride for an ordinary bloke like me,” said Clarkson, speaking to the Guardian at a pub near Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire. “But there comes a time when a man’s got to ask himself what he really stands for. And for me, that’s sustainable energy, traffic calming and an end to xenophobia and prejudice.”
Clarkson said he had experienced a “wake-up call” after being sacked by the BBC, which he likened to “ramming on the brakes on the autobahn to Damascus”.
“It was like a pit stop,” he said. “One minute I was cruising along in a Porsche Cayman S to Dark Side of the Moon. The next I was in a bloody Prius humming along to Keane.
“If you’d told me a month ago that I would be joining the tree-huggers in their hand-knitted kerb-crawlers I’d probably have punched you.
“But then I thought: ‘Where does physical aggro get you – apart from a few penalty points on your P45?’ I stopped off for a pint – and there was a bloody Guardian with all this stuff about climate change.”
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Clarkson said he wanted to become a ‘poster person for carbon haters’. Photograph: Ana Poenariu/AFP/Getty Images
Clarkson admitted that, in his previous life, he was more likely to read the Methodist Recorder than the Guardian. “No disrespect,” he said, “but I’ve always thought the Guardian made the Vauxhall Vectra look quite classy.”
He added: “But then I saw this stuff about fossil fuels and it was like finding the G spot on a V8 F-type. I mean, God, I’ve had some pretty outrageous moments, like that time we drove a car into a tree in Somerset, or when we drove a car into a swimming pool, and some other outrageous moments that also involved cars.”
Jeremy Clarkson dropped by BBC after damning report into attack on producer
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“But, in the end, this is bigger than Planet Clarkson. This is Planet Everybloodybody, including members of the traveller communities and our Burmese and Argentinian friends,” he winked.
Clarkson decided to join the actor Tilda Swinton, chef Yotam Ottolenghi and campaigner Bianca Jagger in lending his name to the campaign to demand prominent foundations divest from fossil fuels. About 145,000 readers have already signed a petition asking the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Wellcome Trust for such a commitment.
“One hundred and forty-odd thousand is a start,” he said. “But we’ve got to put some oomph under the bonnet of this campaign. I’ve got the thick end of five mill following me on Twitter. Think of the g-force if they all switched to giving a toss about the human race.”
Clarkson, who has offered to become the new face of the Guardian campaign, said: “I was the poster boy for petrolheads. Now I want to become a – perhaps less gendered – poster person for the carbon-haters.”
“I’ve been talking to the Top Gear team about getting some great merch,” said Clarkson, drawing back his blue blazer to reveal a T-shirt he designed with the slogan: “No fracking way to carbon.”
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“It’s not quite there yet. But me and [Richard] Hammond had a few jars last night and we’re working on a campaign that basically says you’ve got to shove gigatonnes of the black stuff back where the sun don’t shine.”
He plans to boost the campaign by founding a charity to garner support for a 20mph speed limit on most British roads, rising to 45mph on motorways and dual carriageways.
David Cameron expressed his backing for Clarkson’s change of direction on Tuesday, describing the presenter, who lives in his Witney constituency, as a “great mate”, who often dropped by to watch an episode of the US TV series 24 on DVD.
The prime minister called Clarkson’s speed limit plans a “brilliant idea, which we should definitely implement immediately”. Downing Street later issued a statement clarifying that he had meant to say it was an interesting proposal worthy of consideration.
BBC sources said the director general, Tony Hall – who has reportedly received death threats following the decision not to renew Clarkson’s contract – has convened a “war cabinet” to decide Top Gear’s future. He is understood to favour a complete reinvention of the programme, with leading contenders to present the overhauled version including Bill Oddie and the former archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams.
Penguin Books, which has long published Clarkson’s bestselling series of opinionated works including The World According to Clarkson, For Crying Out Loud and Driven to Distraction, said next year it planned to publish a new instalment, provisionally entitled Here Are Some Thoughts That I Had, focusing primarily on Clarkson’s new-found sympathy for environmental issues, interfaith dialogue and intersectional feminism.
"Jeremy Clarkson joins Guardian drive for fossil fuel divestment "
April 1sts are getting less subtle.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
“But, in the end, this is bigger than Planet Clarkson. This is Planet Everybloodybody, including members of the traveller communities and our Burmese and Argentinian friends,” he winked.
Jeremy Clarkson is set to make his first appearance on the BBC since losing his job as co-presenter on Top Gear.
The controversial broadcaster will appear as the guest host of Have I Got News for You on 24 April.
"Jeremy's contract has not been renewed on Top Gear but he isn't banned from appearing on the BBC," a BBC spokesman said.
Clarkson has hosted the satirical news quiz on numerous occasions.
During one appearance in 2008, he threw a pen at regular panellist Ian Hislop that left the latter with a cut on his face.
Clarkson was suspended by the BBC on 10 March following a "fracas" with Top Gear producer Oisin Tymon in a hotel in North Yorkshire.
Mr Tymon suffered swelling and a split lip in the assault on 4 March and visited a hospital A&E department for his injuries.
Following an internal investigation, the BBC announced on 25 March Clarkson's contract on Top Gear would not be renewed.
More than a million fans signed a petition to reinstate the presenter, but BBC director general Tony Hall said "a line has been crossed" and "there cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another".
On Tuesday, North Yorkshire Police said there was "no need for further action" against Clarkson following an inquiry into the "fracas".
Top Gear is watched by some 350 million viewers worldwide and is one of the BBC's biggest properties - with overseas sales worth an estimated £50m a year.
The BBC has said the show will continue without Clarkson, however it is unclear whether co-presenters James May and Richard Hammond will remain.
Indeed, utter stupidity there, I really fail to see the point of sacking him from TG if they are going to keep paying him to appear on other shows. What kind of message does that send?
Paradigm wrote: Indeed, utter stupidity there, I really fail to see the point of sacking him from TG if they are going to keep paying him to appear on other shows. What kind of message does that send?
It's probably easier than trying to force the producer to work with him.
Paradigm wrote: Indeed, utter stupidity there, I really fail to see the point of sacking him from TG if they are going to keep paying him to appear on other shows. What kind of message does that send?
It's probably easier than trying to force the producer to work with him.
Top Gear was declining anyway.
To clarify, I'm not saying they shouldn't have dropped him from TG. Just that, if they are trying to make the point, as stated, that everyone has to follow the same rules, and be held accountable, then they should stick to that. As much as it would irritate me as a fan of the show, the BBC should really be stopping the reruns of Top Gear, deleting their Youtube channel and barring JC from their various panel shows. If they are going to cancel the current series to make a point and set an example, they should do it properly; to the viewer, the Clarkson in the cancelled TG episodes is the same one as features old reruns or on panel shows, so if one is made an example of, they all should be.
So much for the BBC's final warning. Honestly, if I worked in the accounting department of a company, punched someone and got fired, would it be reasonable for me to be hired by the same company to work in HR?
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That you're willing to punch someone might be seen as a good indicator for working at HR.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
Paradigm wrote: Indeed, utter stupidity there, I really fail to see the point of sacking him from TG if they are going to keep paying him to appear on other shows. What kind of message does that send?
It's probably easier than trying to force the producer to work with him.
Top Gear was declining anyway.
Perhaps they could have "rewarded" that producer by moving him to another show with more prestige within the business? Obviously, TG is the money maker for BBC... what I'm suggesting is that, when it comes time for that producer to look for a higher ranking job (Executive producer, etc) it may "reward" him to work for a more prestigious show, such as nightly news or something with more pressure and scrutiny than TG. I don't work in TV, so I couldn't tell you if it really works that way, but it's just an idea/musing that sprang to mind.
Jeremy Clarkson has pulled out of his planned appearance as guest host of the BBC show Have I Got News For You.
He had been due to appear on 24 April in his first BBC appearance since being dropped as a co-presenter of Top Gear, following an attack on a producer.
Clarkson has hosted the satirical news quiz on numerous occasions.
Jimmy Mulville, managing director of show producers Hat Trick Productions, said he expected Clarkson to be available for a show later in the year.
Mr Mulville said: "On reflection, Jeremy Clarkson has decided not to host Have I Got News For You. We fully expect him to resume his hosting duties later in the year."
Probably for the best.
... Actually kinda wish they'd settle down on a permanent presenter, the guests thing whilst funny at times -- if at times for car crashesque reasons -- is getting a bit old now IMO.
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Jeremy Clarkson has pulled out of his planned appearance as guest host of the BBC show Have I Got News For You.
He had been due to appear on 24 April in his first BBC appearance since being dropped as a co-presenter of Top Gear, following an attack on a producer.
Clarkson has hosted the satirical news quiz on numerous occasions.
Jimmy Mulville, managing director of show producers Hat Trick Productions, said he expected Clarkson to be available for a show later in the year.
Mr Mulville said: "On reflection, Jeremy Clarkson has decided not to host Have I Got News For You. We fully expect him to resume his hosting duties later in the year."
Probably for the best.
... Actually kinda wish they'd settle down on a permanent presenter, the guests thing whilst funny at times -- if at times for car crashesque reasons -- is getting a bit old now IMO.
You know, I never normally notice things like this, but the writing style in these two BBC articles is absolutely atrocious. A series of single sentence paragraphs, with only two of them actually being news at all, doesn't exactly represent quality journalism, in my opinion.
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Well, it is "Entertainment/Arts" after all. The BBC hardly is likely to assign its top journalists to cover a story about a sacked presenter pulling out of presenting a programme when there is a general election campaign and a crisis in the Middle East going on.
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