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 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't really like him honestly. I'm not sold on the pose, I think MkIV would've been better armour, and the head definitely needs swapping. The detail is lovely though, can't fault that at all.

I'd give him a helmet but of course the first master of the Black Templars would wear mk2 Crusade armour.

His pose reminds me of :

Great model, Sigismund will be my new emperor's champion HQ in my BT army, weird that he doesn't come with an optional helmet though...I'll defenitely magnetize his head but I wonder what type of helmet I'll use, mkii, mkiii, or one of the unique BT knight head

EDIT: he'll also look better in black, white and gold

Rosebuddy wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't really like him honestly. I'm not sold on the pose, I think MkIV would've been better armour, and the head definitely needs swapping. The detail is lovely though, can't fault that at all.

I'd give him a helmet but of course the first master of the Black Templars would wear mk2 Crusade armour.

Why? The art of him on Templar has MkIV armour, as do the Templar Brethren from FW.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't really like him honestly. I'm not sold on the pose, I think MkIV would've been better armour, and the head definitely needs swapping. The detail is lovely though, can't fault that at all.

I'd give him a helmet but of course the first master of the Black Templars would wear mk2 Crusade armour.

Why? The art of him on Templar has MkIV armour, as do the Templar Brethren from FW.

It took me a few seconds to work it out, but I think the reasoning is that the first High Marshall of the Chapter that then embarks on a never-ending 10000 year crusade should be wearing Crusade pattern armour. Which was quite a neat thought when I realised it.

Eh. It's just the name of the armour...

What is it with FW and charging us IF players more for our models

Apart from that though very nice model though I agree that the head looks slightly off and needs replacing.

Great detail but an irredeemably fugly model. The IF command set would make a superior representation of Sigismund then his actual model.

The pose is just bad, it makes him look like a cross between surfing and being caught off balance while looking cool. As a character that is supposed to be a stern stick in the mud he has too much flourish.

His head looks like somebody sculpted a smaller face on a larger head. So it has this weird domed look to it.

Then there is his lower half that appears to just not exist. Like legs sprouting from a torso. Or an overly long and wide torso on top of a small groin and legs. It is just really weird looking.

FW has really missed the mark on this one. I'm not sure if the sculptor is the same as the other questionable choices in the charactee series so far but if they are I think it might be time to pull them off the series.

Is there anyone who does HEMA who can tell us if that is an actual fencing stance of any kind? I like the pose, although I agree it makes his legs look very off in most pictures.

 Haighus wrote:
Is there anyone who does HEMA who can tell us if that is an actual fencing stance of any kind? I like the pose, although I agree it makes his legs look very off in most pictures.

Fencing and proper swordfighting are not the same thing. Fencing is a poor imitation of rapier techniques watered down for sport, and a rapier can barely be counted as a sword.

Anyway, the stance is very obviously showing a pose in the midst of a parry, about to reposte with a direct thrust through the heart (with the arm outstretched to "aim" and provide balance, the wide stance to give the stable ground he needs to retain balance after a swift forward motion and the hips slightly rotated in the opposite direction so he can rotate back and add some serious punch to the thrust. From that position he can also quickly flick his wrist up into a more traditional two handed vertical grip, flick upwards in a bisecting move from hip to shoulder, swing the blade out and wide for a powerful stroke or spin out around his back and maybe catch with a spinning move. The wide legs also mean he can quickly leap back or otherwise change direction on the fly to avoid an incoming attack.

I am aware that modern fencing is not actual swordsmanship intended for killing, but I thought that fencing was still technically the correct term for swordfighting of any kind? I meant it in the medieval sense anyhow, hence the HEMA bit.

Thanks though, that is an interesting summary, so it is basically a realistic pose for a swordsman.

Fencing is formalized dueling which is kinda' like formalized swordfighting.

Having done just a bit of sword combat, gotta disagree on the stance. It'd be insanely difficult to parry one-handed with your fighting arm in back with a broadsword, besides leaving you pretty open if you'd just been on the defense. Definitely looks ready for a thrust, but I don't see how that would have been transitioning from a defensive move.

It's a bit of a weird stance - it's what i would expect from a lance user.
If he only uses one hand to fight with this sword i recon he'll be doing something like the Wushu you see in competitions in china - it's just too big and long to fence with.

It looks more like a 'b@$+@rd sword' but he has a chain where you want your other hand to be, which would also be a massive hinderance if you wanted to turn the sword - as is depicted on the few images left depicting medieval sword technuiques.
Speaking of which - you might be able to rationalise the stance from a plate armour versus steel blade era thinking, but the power sword premise allows for slashing type sword combat despite the armour so he wouldn't have to take that stance.

>sigh<

It still looks cool though.

 Haighus wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't really like him honestly. I'm not sold on the pose, I think MkIV would've been better armour, and the head definitely needs swapping. The detail is lovely though, can't fault that at all.

I'd give him a helmet but of course the first master of the Black Templars would wear mk2 Crusade armour.

Why? The art of him on Templar has MkIV armour, as do the Templar Brethren from FW.

It took me a few seconds to work it out, but I think the reasoning is that the first High Marshall of the Chapter that then embarks on a never-ending 10000 year crusade should be wearing Crusade pattern armour. Which was quite a neat thought when I realised it.

Iron armor isnt made of iron and Corvus armor isnt just for ravenguard :p It's simply a name and when newer armor became available most marines switched to it.

Iron armour is, however, very common among Iron Hands, whereas Corvus armour is highly prevalent in the Raven Guard.

Corvus armour was named after Corax because of their use of it, and Iron armour is used by the Iron Hands because it offers superior protection and they're all about that. They don't use them because of the names.

To be precise the corvis armour was named in honour of Corax for his Legion's role in beta testing the design.

I think that mk 2 works on him I think mk3 would have been to heavy mk4 to plain.

SirDonlad wrote:It's a bit of a weird stance - it's what i would expect from a lance user.
If he only uses one hand to fight with this sword i recon he'll be doing something like the Wushu you see in competitions in china - it's just too big and long to fence with.

It looks more like a 'b@$+@rd sword' but he has a chain where you want your other hand to be, which would also be a massive hinderance if you wanted to turn the sword - as is depicted on the few images left depicting medieval sword technuiques.
Speaking of which - you might be able to rationalise the stance from a plate armour versus steel blade era thinking, but the power sword premise allows for slashing type sword combat despite the armour so he wouldn't have to take that stance.

>sigh<

It still looks cool though.

I agree, more like the bastard sword than a broadsword, but remember that a bastard sword is also known as a hand and half sword. It has a defined grip for your primary hand and can be wielded one handed like a longsword. The second hand csn grip the uncovered metal below the grip like a greatsword to lend power. But it can still effectively be used 1 handed which is why it was so popular fir its versatility.
Anyway, the chains are there as a decorative element, as in the fluff, Kharn showed him this from the gladiator pits, and Sigismund adopted this. It means that he can't lose his sword in the heat of combat. Giving his huge hands he could just grip over the chain but not ideal. Good spot btw, missed the chains.
Regarding the medieval vs power armour, again, you are somewhat right. If I were fighting steel sword vs armour, I'd not want to stab though. If the armour is stronger or thicker than the blade, I'm goijg to go skitting off, so in general you'd be stabbing down though the gorget or through the armpit. Going through the breastplate is a risky move. Contrastingly, Sigismund's sword will cut through whatever armour the opponent is wearing, so a stab through the chest is as viable as anything else. Plus, you have to remember that Space Marines can take a hell of a lot of damage. A slashing over the chest will kill a human if you manage to penetrate at least 3 inches into the chest as youx will cut the heart, but a space marine would clot the wound instantly and switch to the secondary heart, so a stabbing move through the chest to target the gap between the two would cut the trachea and oesophogas, flood the body with blood and bile, and the disruptive energy field would royally feth up the nearby hearts and lungs.


Plus, there are other options he has from there besides the thrust. If he steps forwards with his back foot, he can bring the blade above his head in a two handed grip which would cleanly bisect any opponent.

spiralingcadaver wrote:Fencing is formalized dueling which is kinda' like formalized swordfighting.

Having done just a bit of sword combat, gotta disagree on the stance. It'd be insanely difficult to parry one-handed with your fighting arm in back with a broadsword, besides leaving you pretty open if you'd just been on the defense. Definitely looks ready for a thrust, but I don't see how that would have been transitioning from a defensive move.

What I meant is that he has already parried. So the opponent swings, he flicks his weapon aside, draws back for a power stab while the opponent is defenceless, freeze! That's the pose.
You are right about how using a broadsword is difficult one handed like that, but I would argue the sword is more of a bastard sword (hand and a half sword if you prefer) which can be used one handed. Although, again, both suffer from really needed 2 hands to balance the weight, but once you account for his strength it becomes more reasonable to assume the weight of the blade vs pommel for a Astartes in armour would be next to nothing.
As for transitioning to a defensive move, for a normal human in steel plate, transitioning to a parry, backstep or sidestep from there would be next to impossible. By the time you see the attack coming you'd be hit. But again, accounting for his reaction time and the speed he can move in the armour its not unreasonable.

Any word of FW marine chapters getting 7th updated rules via PDF?

If I was playing BT, I would definitely look into Sig as my Emperor's Champion, provided he doesn't have something on him that would be out of place.

I am probably going to get Alexis Polux and paint him up as a Crimson Fist (with a helmet!). Is his wargear (Combi-Melta, Power Fist, Storm Shield) optimal? No, but that model looks great and he would make a good Captain.

FW Bulletin #64:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_64.html



Well, who is this special character going to be?

Those Solar Auxilia also look amazing.

It may also be a teaser of decals to come with the art shown on that banner, but that's wistful thinking on my part.

 Fireball wrote:
FW Bulletin #64:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_64.html



Well, who is this special character going to be?

He's one of Zardu Layaks Blade Slaves. You can only take them if you take him, and you can only take 2, they're like Gal Vorbak +1.

There are two parts to that model I love: the broken eye, and the transition of the normal marine backpack to the traditional chaos marine backpack.

I hadn't even noticed the broken eye lense. I love how one half is relatively normal and the other is all corrupted.

Wow thats nice be geat for normal csm as well.

So are Zardu Layak more corrupted versions of Gal Vorbak? ie they can't change back to a normal appearance.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So are Zardu Layak more corrupted versions of Gal Vorbak? ie they can't change back to a normal appearance.

Zardu Layak is a special character, and basically at some point he found these two blades in a Xenos tomb and they must've been chaos tainted, you can take two bodyguard for him called Anakatis Kul Blade Slaves who have the blades as their weapons.

Excited about those blade slaves... going to be a great addition to the army. Looks like they're up to the same standard as the gal vorbak, which I love.