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**ImAGeek**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
It's already been mentioned a couple of times from the open day that the Blood Angels, White Scars, and Dark Angels will get their legion rules in the next book, just not special units or characters. That still qualifies as "being worked on."

Agreed, I would count it too.

This event has done nothing to help me choose which legions to do. My list genuinely has 16 out of the 18 legions on it...

**Lockark**

With dark angel legion rules and rite of war, I would be lieing if I didn't admit it would be awesome to start them.

But I already have my iron warriors and mechanicum to work on. Best not get ahead of myself.

**warboss**

Peregrine wrote:
Exactly what I was going to say. FFS, stop making more giant anime robots and give us proper tanks and aircraft.

I disagree in this case although I don't think I'd want it to continue. I was a fan of the idea of the riptide but not the execution of the plastic kit (I'm not a fan of that design). For better or worse, the tau were designed (despite GW's chapterhouse assertions) and continue to be looked at as anime mecha and mecha come in different sizes which wasn't adequately represented in the Tau lineup. I know the fluff was initially that things like the Manta were supposed to take on the titans (latter joined by the two fliers) but they simply didn't sell nor inspire most folks. The rules also didn't help since they kind of sucked for the bigger tau stuff. The manta was a very cool design but a price north of $1000 (but including a landing bay full of other models) but very crappy stats compared to the biggest titans that they were fighitng. The Orca was roughly in the same spot as well with a cool design but crap stats. I can't speak for anyone else but the Tigershark and Barracuda model designs really turned me off to them regardless fo the stats and they were the only choice for "bigger" tau stuff. I'm a fan of having one of each "bigger" apoc style tau suits to match the "normal" 40k ones. Obviously with the current apoc everywhere every game 40k mentality of 7th edition those distinctions no longer apply but I'm glad that they'll have one of each. I wouldn't support have even more in plastic than one of each class (a "fast" one and a "heavy" one) though from GW proper. I would have hoped something like that would be out in plastic for the tau but it looks like FW is instead leading the way straight past GW.

And a scale pic from the other thread:

**Formosa**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I could pick any legion that's not yet been covered in detail, pull some names out of my arse and say 'it's being worked on', because, logically, if FW doesn't fall into the ocean and the HH isn't suddenly dropped as unpopular, the legion will eventually get covered off.

As of today, the big 3 have done nothing, there has been no meeting about names, no looking into the legion at all. They are not being worked on and they were not being worked on when you started this rumor.

An upgrade set does not maketh a legion release. There will be a release for the legion, but as of yet, there most certainly isn't and you either conjured it or got your wires crossed or someone else got their wires crossed.

The Dark Angels are not being 'worked on'. There is no release of this legion penned in yet, no 'brief' has been set.

You remain wrong.

Even though the information posted jn this exact forum has contradicted you, you still remain adamant you are correct in spite of what I and others are telling you, I shared information That has been later confirmed, where as you have provided nothing, not a thing, other than refusing to admit it may be you that has his wires crossed.

So to quote you "you remain wrong"

**RedFox**

Those forgeworld events has to be the most exciting thing in the warhammer community, thanks for the pictures and keep them coming!

Love the Eidolon model, but he really looks different than previous artwork of him, would have preferred Lucius or Marius

**Grarg**

I know this might be too late, but did anyone ask about the updates for forgeworld space marines

**Asmodai Asmodean**

aka_mythos wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how they manage the Mechanicum in 40k. The problem being as they say all the Cybernetica stuff that no longer exists in the 40k era. So now they have to come up with an excuse. In my opinion the fact that in some cases it's forbidden technology makes it a perfect point of distinction for the Dark Mechanicum to still use them.

I think for 40k they should just neuter them a bit to represent the safeguards on the technology... Like no cybertheulegy... And make them conform to the squad structure of the 40k robots we already have... That is a tech priest handler who keeps them in line incase they go bonkers.

He might be saying that because Castellax are functionally and aesthetically too similar to Kastellans for GW's comfort, and will either cannibalise sales of the latter or cause too much overlap.

There are enough HH Mechanicum units for a more substantial 40k Codex already, give us a Mechanicus Armour book!

**ImAGeek**

I really like the Tau thing; I get the complaints people have but I think it looks awesome, and it's huge! Although I dread to think the price...

**BrookM**

Here's hoping it won't be as cheaply costed pointswise as the Knight.

**warboss**

BrookM wrote:
Here's hoping it won't be as cheaply costed pointswise as the Knight.

I agree with you that it should be costed as a xenos super heavy like the wraithknight.

**TheCustomLime**

I don't like the Mastadon. It looks like they glued a Sicarian and a bunch of Land Raiders together.

**Vector Strike**

warboss wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Here's hoping it won't be as cheaply costed pointswise as the Knight.

I agree with you that it should be costed as a xenos super heavy like the wraithknight.

Oh I wish

but the rumours say 650p

**Tannhauser42**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how they manage the Mechanicum in 40k. The problem being as they say all the Cybernetica stuff that no longer exists in the 40k era. So now they have to come up with an excuse. In my opinion the fact that in some cases it's forbidden technology makes it a perfect point of distinction for the Dark Mechanicum to still use them.

I think for 40k they should just neuter them a bit to represent the safeguards on the technology... Like no cybertheulegy... And make them conform to the squad structure of the 40k robots we already have... That is a tech priest handler who keeps them in line incase they go bonkers.

He might be saying that because Castellax are functionally and aesthetically too similar to Kastellans for GW's comfort, and will either cannibalise sales of the latter or cause too much overlap.

There are enough HH Mechanicum units for a more substantial 40k Codex already, give us a Mechanicus Armour book!

Some possibilities to incorporate such models without too much overlap would be to put limitations on how many can be fielded. If, for example, The various battle-automata, like the Castellax, become Elite choices that can only be fielded in units of one. Thallax could be Elites that only come in units of three. The Thanatar could be a Lord of War. Options like Paragon of Metal might not be available. That's just a few ideas that spring to mind right away. A lot of Mechanicum stuff should still be available, like the vehicles, Myrmidons, tech-thralls etc.

**Bodacious2182**

Does the Khorne Knight and Chaos knight come as one kit or do I have to buy the Lord of skulls and the Imperial Knight kit in addition? In other words, is what is shown just and upgrade kit or an all in one package?

If somebody already mentioned this I missed it.

**BrianDavion**

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the Tau suit

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BrookM wrote:
Here's hoping it won't be as cheaply costed pointswise as the Knight.

I'd be fine with that, I mean... they could make it's cost on par with the Wraith Knight

**ImAGeek**

Bodacious2182 wrote:
Does the Khorne Knight and Chaos knight come as one kit or do I have to buy the Lord of skulls and the Imperial Knight kit in addition? In other words, is what is shown just and upgrade kit or an all in one package?

If somebody already mentioned this I missed it.

The Chaos knight is definitely a full kit, it's £110 so it'll have the plastic parts included. The other one I'm not so sure; it's £90 so that's cheaper than the actual Khorne thing it's based on right? So probably just the legs? Or maybe it only comes with the sprue said for the upper... Actually the leaflet of models you could buy today just says 'Kitan Khorne Daemon Engine', no conversion kit or whatever.

**Peregrine**

warboss wrote:
For better or worse, the tau were designed (despite GW's chapterhouse assertions) and continue to be looked at as anime mecha and mecha come in different sizes which wasn't adequately represented in the Tau lineup.

They were designed with those influences, but that doesn't mean that they need to be literal copies. Who cares if anime has different sizes of giant robots? Tau were just fine with limiting their battlesuits to Starship Troopers style power armor.

I know the fluff was initially that things like the Manta were supposed to take on the titans (latter joined by the two fliers) but they simply didn't sell nor inspire most folks.

I don't really see how this is relevant. The Manta and Tigershark were obviously going to sell poorly because they're large resin kits with huge price tags and rules that, until 7th edition, were not allowed in normal 40k games. The Manta especially suffers from this problem, most people don't have the skill to build one even if they can afford the cost, and it just isn't practical to put one on most gaming tables. A Manta-sized battlesuit would have the same problems and sell just as poorly.

The rules also didn't help since they kind of sucked for the bigger tau stuff.

Then fix the rules. You don't need to make new fluff-destroying giant anime robots just to give Tau decent superheavy rules.

I can't speak for anyone else but the Tigershark and Barracuda model designs really turned me off to them regardless fo the stats and they were the only choice for "bigger" tau stuff.

Alternatively, I love both of those models and wish that FW had given them better rules. And I would have loved to see a superheavy counterpart to the Hammerhead, another design I really like.

**zedmeister**

Peregrine wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
That Tau model is so stupid. I really want to like it, it's a much better look than the riptide, but it's so fething over-the-top it's just not funny anymore. Three giant cannons on the back (don't look like rail weapons, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a new look for them), what appears to be six ion accelerators with three on each arm (people cry enough as it is about just one), multiple smart missile systems and burst cannons on the torso, god only knows what else. It also looks ridiculously top heavy; way, way worse than the old broadside ever was. Personally I love back-mounted guns like that and miss the old silhouette the broadside used to have, but this is just stupid.

I was pissed off enough when the riptide came out. Even more annoyed when FW started putting out multiple new kits based on the riptide instead of, you know, cool models I'd actually like to buy like new vehicles and aircraft (or how about something out of left field and release a new infantry unit for once?). And now this, with rumors that GW is going to be releasing another big plastic robot like the riptide but with a ton of missiles. THIS ISN'T TAU. Tau relied on man-sized units like stealth suits and crisis suits/broadsides were as big as they could get, standing only two to two and a half times the size of a man. Anything bigger than that was too impractical and the role better filled by tanks and aircraft. They didn't need gak like this before to bust titans with, the tigersharks retro-fitted with starship-sized railguns were good enough, and if I'm not mistaken they even canonically have super heavy grav tanks and stuff that have yet to materialize as models, even though they would probably look really cool (if the hammerhead is anything to go by, which is still my favorite Tau model) as well as being perfectly fluffy. It was good fluff, made sense, and also had the bonus of not being trope-y, with the giant super robot theme being exactly what you'd expect from something that's meant to be anime-inspired. Tau USED TO BE one of the only exceptions, but GW threw that out the window because apparently Gundams = $$$.

Only thing that's missing now is a new warlord-sized suit with a dock for a smaller suit. Maybe we can get a new unit of riptide-sized suits specifically designed to fight daemons that are all piloted by emotional female Tau. Or how about a battlesuit the size of a GALAXY. Give me a god-damned break, I'm so fething mad now between this and AoS. Just kill everything I like about your games why don't you, who gives a gak anymore?

Exactly what I was going to say. FFS, stop making more giant anime robots and give us proper tanks and aircraft.

Exalted! It looks like something from that trash Robotech. Guns everywhere and far too over the top. Blergh

**whalemusic360**

Did they say anything about the other Warlord guns and heads, or better yet show something?

**ImAGeek**

whalemusic360 wrote:
Did they say anything about the other Warlord guns and heads, or better yet show something?

**Sidstyler**

Peregrine wrote:
Exactly what I was going to say. FFS, stop making more giant anime robots and give us proper tanks and aircraft.

I should also say the remark about "emotional female" pilots wasn't supposed to be a dig at women, it was just supposed to be a reference to Evangelion that sounds a bit misogynistic in retrospect.

But yeah, I guess I should accept the fact I'm never going to get what I want at this point. We've seen GW's idea of what Tau aircraft should look like and if that's the best they got then I'd rather they just didn't, and FW is so busy with the Horus Heresy we're "lucky" we're even getting this monstrosity.

BrianDavion wrote:

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the Tau suit

I think it's pretty obvious that's what you were supposed to think of.

**Kid_Kyoto**

zedmeister wrote:
Lovey stuff. White Scars, Taghmata red book and the Mastadon which reminds me of these:

Kind of wish the Mastadon was for the IG/SA/AM/cannon fodder dudes.

Really, really, really early on in Epic (maybe even Adeptus Titanicus days) GW started releasing tanks, the first 40k tanks since the LR and Rhino and all the IG ones were superheavies along the lines of the Capital Imperialis or Leviathan.

I'll see if I can find the references.

So I liked the idea that maybe in the HH era the IGSAAMCFD only used big building sized tanks with the marines in small swift ones.

But it is not to be.

**maceria**

The Tau were anime SF inspired, but until the riptide have been much more in the realm of "tactical armour" than "giant magical robot piloted by 12 year olds".

I really despised the riptide, partially because it's fugly, partially because it was a blantant OP cashgrab without dumb rules (should have been a walker) and partially because it is DIRECTLY COUNTER to previous Tau fluff. That last one I can get over if it's cool enough.

That Tau Knight is just disgusting. If it had been Riptide sized, with those proportions, but much less guns, it could be pretty awesome. Give it arm hard points that can fit slightly killier versions of battle suit weapons (twin linked weapon on each arm?) and a twin linked weapons array on the top that can be either Hammer Head gun, or maybe a skyray missile rack, and then make it a walker. Just my preference though.

It'll probably be a gargantuan creature with new Earth cast tech that allows it to channel the warp and summon daemons while simultaneously tea-bagging the Golden Throne.

**warboss**

zedmeister wrote:

Exalted! It looks like something from that trash Robotech. Guns everywhere and far too over the top. Blergh

If only there was a "poop" button next to exalted! Them's fightin' words, son!

**Kanluwen**

maceria wrote:
The Tau were anime SF inspired, but until the riptide have been much more in the realm of "tactical armour" than "giant magical robot piloted by 12 year olds".

I really despised the riptide, partially because it's fugly, partially because it was a blantant OP cashgrab without dumb rules (should have been a walker) and partially because it is DIRECTLY COUNTER to previous Tau fluff. That last one I can get over if it's cool enough.

That Tau Knight is just disgusting. If it had been Riptide sized, with those proportions, but much less guns, it could be pretty awesome. Give it arm hard points that can fit slightly killier versions of battle suit weapons (twin linked weapon on each arm?) and a twin linked weapons array on the top that can be either Hammer Head gun, or maybe a skyray missile rack, and then make it a walker. Just my preference though.

It'll probably be a gargantuan creature with new Earth cast tech that allows it to channel the warp and summon daemons while simultaneously tea-bagging the Golden Throne.

"Directly counter to previous Tau fluff"? Seriously?

If any army out there besides Tyranids is suitable for a constant flow of new units, it's the Tau. They adapt their technology and tactics to match their enemies. It's not beyond belief, especially given the whole reasoning behind Tau getting the whole Titan-Killer flyer for Taros, that they might have figured out the psychological and morale advantages for a giant suit(which could even be piloted by an AI based around the brainscans of a now deceased Fire Caste pilot, ala the Broadside character "Ob'Lotai 9-0" from the Farsight Enclaves codex) could be a boon for the next Expansion they embark upon.

**warboss**

Peregrine wrote:

Alternatively, I love both of those models and wish that FW had given them better rules. And I would have loved to see a superheavy counterpart to the Hammerhead, another design I really like.

There is of course nothing stopping them from doing that. The only problem in the evolving fluff (and if any races in 40k deserve evolving fluff it would be tau and nids) is how they transport it to go along with their theories of mobile warfare. A simple solution would be to create a variant of the manta capable of transporting the larger suits (riptide and up) like the thunderhawk transporter.

**Kanluwen**

warboss wrote:
Peregrine wrote:

Alternatively, I love both of those models and wish that FW had given them better rules. And I would have loved to see a superheavy counterpart to the Hammerhead, another design I really like.

There is of course nothing stopping them from doing that. The only problem in the evolving fluff (and if any races in 40k deserve evolving fluff it would be tau and nids) is how they transport it to go along with their theories of mobile warfare. A simple solution would be to create a variant of the manta capable of transporting the larger suits (riptide and up) like the thunderhawk transporter.

Even simpler solution?

Tau built Drop Pod equivalent. It's not like they would not have examples of them at this point in time.

**warboss**

BrianDavion wrote:

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the Tau suit

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BrookM wrote:
Here's hoping it won't be as cheaply costed pointswise as the Knight.

I'd be fine with that, I mean... they could make it's cost on par with the Wraith Knight

Hey, I already made that joke!

I do agree on the inspiration and it is a large reason why I like it. The tau FW stuff is very hit or miss for me personally. I love the variant crisis and broadside suits/tertas/rymr/turrets/orca/manta/yvahra but not a fan of the xv9/ralai/rvarna/baracuda/tigershark.

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maceria wrote:

That Tau Knight is just disgusting. If it had been Riptide sized, with those proportions, but much less guns, it could be pretty awesome.

***snip***

It'll probably be a gargantuan creature with new Earth cast tech that allows it to channel the warp and summon daemons while simultaneously tea-bagging the Golden Throne.

Honestly, I would have preferred it to be the riptide variant size as well for cost and storage reasons but I guess the Rvarna fills the "big armored gun" role and the Yvahra the "speedy lighter" role with the standard plastic riptide a compromise in between. As for that last part, Gw is obviously saving that for Eldar: Craftworlds 2k16 edition.

**zedmeister**

warboss wrote:
zedmeister wrote:

Exalted! It looks like something from that trash Robotech. Guns everywhere and far too over the top. Blergh

If only there was a "poop" button next to exalted! Them's fightin' words, son!

Ah, a Robotech fan. You have my sympathy sir. Doubly so if you were involved in that kickstarter. So, what will it be? Fisticuffs?

**warboss**

zedmeister wrote:

Ah, a Robotech fan. You have my sympathy sir. Doubly so if you were involved in that kickstarter. So, what will it be? Fisticuffs?

I appreciate the sympathy on the Kickstarter. That small kindness will not save you though. Fisticuffs it is!