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Just a quick one since I do not have the book. My ally in a team game the other day fielded Iyanden and had a wraithseer as his warlord and only HQ. I have the book with the Wraithseer in it and it says it cannot be the compulsory HQ. Did this change for the Iyanden supplement?

Your Warlord simply has to be a Character. It doesn't have to be an HQ. If you have no Characters, it can be any model... it just doesn't get a Warlord Trait unless it's a Character.

I'm pretty sure the Wraithseer is a Character, so it's perfectly fine to be a Warlord.

Further example...
Space Marines Combined Arms Detachment
HQ - Space Marine Captain
Troops - Tactical Squad
Troops - Scout Squad
Heavy Support - Devastator Squad

The following models are eligible to be your Warlord in the above... Captain, Tactical Squad Sergeant, Scout Squad Sergeant, Devastator Squad Sergeant. They're all Characters.

You might want to re-read the section on Warlords. A lot changed from 6th to 7th.


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In terms of whether or not the Wraithseer can be taken to fill a mandatory HQ slot? I also don't have the book, so can't answer.

That's what I was wondering because the FW book specifically says it cannot be your compulsory HQ. I didn't know if the Iyanden supplement has an exception that allows it.

There is no unit entry for Wraithseers in Iyanden. So you would have to follow the rules in the FW book.

Iyanden does allow Wraithlords/Wraithknights to be the Warlord though.

That's what I thought. I was just getting confirmation since I do not have the Iyanden book.

Sounds like your opponent used an unbound list.

Wraithseer cannot count as the sole HQ for any detachment. You need at least one unit of wraithguard and another HQ to field him.

It would be an unbound list, as IVII said. Translation of "cannot be compulsory HQ" from older books to 7th ed is it doesn't count as an HQ unit for purposes of fulfilling a formation.

7th ed means that restriction doesn't mean much anymore, sadly.

That Forge World entry was written back in 5th edition, maybe updated in 6th, but certainly not updated for 7th. Any reference to compulsory units and such just go out the window in 7th unless you are playing a formation. As Iyanden has no Battle Formations (yet), then he was playing an Unbound Army. /shrug

I hate to quibble, and others have brought it up- a Warlord does NOT have to be from the HQ Force Organization slot. The Warlord can be ANY character in the army. You could take a bare bones, 35 point Warlock and nominate him to be your Warlord as long as none of your other characters have a rule that says they must be your Warlord. I'm sure when 8th Edition comes around, they will change that, but the idea is funny that a generic Warlock could be your Warlord when you have Prince Yriel and another Autarch or Phoenix Lord (or the Avatar himself!) in your army.

As long as your friend brought at least one other HQ choice and two troops, his army could qualify as a Combined Arms Detachment and he could reroll on the Warlord table and his troops would get Objective Secured (see pg. 122). I would imagine your friend brought along a Spiritseer (an HQ choice) that makes Wratithguard and Wraithblades troops choices. Then the wording of the Wraithseer would not be violated- it's not your only "compulsory" HQ choice, and 7th makes no distinction between HQ's and Warlords.

I don't know, I would assume the wording "may not command your army" would translate to "cannot be your warlord". Meaning, first, that his army would be unbound, and even if you go unbound, you still can't say that the wraithseer is your warlord, It'd have to be one of the generic characters in his list. And if he was playing Iyanden, why didn't he take a spiritseer so he could have wraith troops? I thought that was the whole idea of the supplement.

The wording "may not command your army" doesn't appear anywhere in the Wraithseer's rules. The full text:

"HQ: An Eldar Wraithseer is a HQ choice for a Codex Eldar army, and in order to include it, the force must also include at least one unit of Wraithguard as well. They may not be used to fulfil the mandatory HQ slot on a Force Organization chart (and therefore you must always include another non-Wraithseer HQ selection in the army)."

He can't fill any Compulsory HQ slot in any FOC for any Detachment, that doesn't mean he can't be your Warlord.

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The wording "may not command your army" doesn't appear anywhere in the Wraithseer's rules. The full text:

"HQ: An Eldar Wraithseer is a HQ choice for a Codex Eldar army, and in order to include it, the force must also include at least one unit of Wraithguard as well. They may not be used to fulfil the mandatory HQ slot on a Force Organization chart (and therefore you must always include another non-Wraithseer HQ selection in the army)."

He can't fill any Compulsory HQ slot in any FOC for any Detachment, that doesn't mean he can't be your Warlord.

Hmmmm, the pdf my friend (who uses a wraithseer) sent me when I asked about the rules includes the line "The concerns and perceptions of the Wraithseer are often far removed from the mortal plane, and as such they may not command your army". That line falls between the two sentences that you quoted above. Older version of the rules, perhaps?