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 Azazelx wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
All about the Fake Stretch Goals, more to the point....

At least there's no restic, right?
Something to be happy about?
Are you capable of that emotion?

No restic is a good thing generally, yes. Really, though, the game being "funded" with 15+1 HIPS figures for $115 is so incredibly fake that it does bear pointing out. I know it should be decent value by the end, but at this point Mantic have gone so far down the rabbit hole of gaming KS, that it no longer bears much of a connection to reality in terms of the initial funding goal meaning anything at all.

It's like some version of Texas hold'em. First, Mantic lays out a few cards in the KS and we all bet on what we see. Then they lay out the rest of the cards in the pledge manager and we place our real bets.

If they keep going with fake funding goals, I'll keep going with fake pledge levels.

One dollar!

Zero bucks for me so far, the mini I'm interested in hasn't been shown off yet, so no bet.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fool me once...

specifically...?

 CptJake wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
Yeah "add stuff to the sprue" mmmhh mmmhmhm

Errr... I am pretty sure that this is an added sprue - not stuff added to the same sprue.

Much easier this way.

Not according to Mantic.e.

Update 3 wrote:If we hit this stretch goal, we will add new hard plastic options to the sprue to create hand weapon and pistol wielding Veer-myn Stalkers.

This means that the ten Veer-myn you already get in Quarantine can be built as either Night-Crawlers or Stalkers.

We are also giving you one bonus sprue of 5 Veer-myn Miniatures, taking the total number up to 15!

Well, dats silly den.

Then again, since the whole thing is a digital construct... redesigning the frames is nowhere near as complicated as it used to be.

I got my revenge on Megan by describing the ignoble death of my commander to her mawbeast in the last game of Deadzone to one of her coworkers.
'So there he was, nice and safe behind a bulkhead when he hears...
*Boing!*
*Boing!*
Play?
Wanna play?
Wanna?
Wanna play!
*Boing!*
*Boing!*
Play!
*Boing!*
*BOOM!*'

Not sure that it really counts as revenge - the whole point was to make Megan laugh.

Her mission was to kill characters - mine was take and hold objectives.

The first casualty of the game was my commander, trying to hold the building.

The Auld Grump

 Alex C wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Who is Blaine?

A recurring character that shows up in every Mantic KS.

The one who is clearly "inspired" by Predator


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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I backed the original Deadzone kickstarter but think I will currently hang fire on this one. I am not a fan of the Veer Myn miniatures at all and they are a big part of pledge as it stands. I am also rubbish at delayed gratification, January seems such a long way away.

Of course there is every chance that the miniature count for the cost will make pledging a no-brainer. I shall be watching the next 17 days with interest.

Put a buck down now and go in (or not) on the Wave 2 or 3 Pledge Manager in 6+ months to get some terrain. Easy.


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 BrookM wrote:
Zero bucks for me so far, the mini I'm interested in hasn't been shown off yet, so no bet.

One dollar for the option of cheap future terrain. Pledge on the second-last day to avoid KS Spam.

Finally done with work so I can make comments. The female pathfinder torso does look fairly skinny compared to the rest of her, but meh i'm already over it. I quite like them overall. I may actually be content with just 10 from the base pledge this time though, you only need so many scouts before you've got to call in the specialists and heavies.

The DOGs are ok as far as I'm concerned. Not amazing, but the blocky shape is almost endearing to a point.

The veermyn (I'm gonna follow Ronnie's pronunciation from video and say it Vermin) seem ok. I used to freaking love Skaven so I should probably be crazy thrilled but at this point I'm somewhere in the middle. These actually remind me more of Skaven than the older sculpts.

For those of you that have the older Veermyn sculpts, how much have these changed from the original stuff?


With plumbing supplies so cheap I feel kind of dumb buying HiPS tubes... but the accessory sprue tubes and pipes do look pretty cool, and the rest of it is pretty neat. I really like the fan tile in the new industrial battlezone, and the mesh-looking platform/walkway half-tiles are pretty sweet too.




I'm not sure if we'll get the rubber mat in the base pledge or not, I know it's not meant to be in the entry-level product we're funding so as to cut start-up costs for retail buyers... but I dunno. I want one. Or two. It's a nice, fairly generic mat. Looks like the grid is toned down a bit too which is cool.


I always saw Blaine as a predator/plo koon/riddick/bane amalgamation.

 Alex C wrote:
Comments section revealed that they're thinking of dropping the card decks and having all the info in the book instead.

WTF?

MAJOR step backwards if this happens.

Cards are a big problem when you want to update model profiles/costs. I'm fine with removing them if it means old models get updated. I'd prefer it even more to have living army lists online. Some fan will make printable cards anyway.

I would be fine with the stats being in the main rulebook. The last rulebook was skinny enough I don't think it would be too hard to accommodate it. Would be a bit of a pain in the first wave of expansion books as you'd need all of your book expansions handy, or to print your own cards.

Its how Kings of War does it's units isn't it? I like the idea of everything being in the main rulebook so everyone is on the same page, to pun terribly.

I think having it all in the rulebook is swell, but do it like the Kings of War army lists and Darklands' musters- they're constantly works in progress.

Have them available for free, in an easy to print fashion, and all is well.

Give me the bells and whistles full color version with stats and fluff when I pay for it.

Living army lists would be awesome!

I'd prefer to have all the stats in the book. The cards only serve as a quick reference for stats, it's not like you have to track wounds a la Warmachine, plus with the counters and other cards there's already enough stuff floating around the game mat as is.

The deliberate under-shooting for value-for-cost is really disappointing. Given that the sweet spot has been listed as $115, Mantic likely has an internal layout for what that $115 would *actually* get you. This should have been what the $115 displayed from the get-go, and the actual goal adjusted to match.

I know KS psychology dictates that pledgers are much more reluctant to jump in before they see a project is funded, and are more likely to pledge when they see a higher "% funded" and more reached stretch goals. However, I also worry about what kind of an impact the $115-for-16-models+terrain is going to have. We here know that this is a "false" pledge level, since it's designed to accommodate the stretch goals, but Deadzone had 50-60 models plus terrain at the $150 point pledge when it first started, so I'm really not seeing why this can't be the case for Infestation.

Right now, the $115 for, what, 25ish models plus terrain, isn't hitting the value that DZ had yet, and given how many people are just chucking in for a lone dollar, myself included, I can't help but wonder if this is the case elsewhere, and is hampering the growth Infestation could have if the pledges were outlined better.

The other part of the equation, which we haven't yet seen here in this campaign, but have seen here for other campaigns (including Mantic ones) is when people start to berate others for not going in early for the maximum they think they'll be able to afford, and decrying those "selfish" people who only go in for small, or $1 pledges...

Such negativity will likely encourage the dolla bill pledgers to reconsider even leaving the dollar in.

Honestly... they ought to just hype the gak out of the thing for a couple of weeks, and then run a 3...5...*maybe* 7 day project. I honestly think the brevity of the campaign would generate urgency and raise money in it's own right.

Oh well, I'm probably gonna just treat this one like I did KoW3.0 or was it 2.0? I guess it depends on if you're talking version number or project number .... Anyway, I put in my $200 up front, if they haven't impressed me by $200 by the time the KS is due to close, I'll reduce to whatever I deem appropriate. If they knock my socks off, I may throw more at them... but top dollar pledge first day has been my motto for a little while now.

I'm happy to go in for a dollar. There's too much on the go right now since two to two and a half week campaigns seem to be the new black.

Don't hate the ks playas; hate the ks game...

Mantic said this would be a more cost efficient way to get in to the game. Then boom, $115 for a handful of dudes.

Fair enough, they'll throw loads more in but then you're paying ~£70? for a crap ton of plastic.

This isn't an easier, more cost efficient way. £35 for some scenery, a mini rule book, two starter armies. Even that for £50 would get my attention!

I'm in for a dollar.

A dollar here also, although I really like the vermin. More than I thought I would. I'm interested to see what else is 'unlocked' for them. Pathfinders not so much. I don't think they look as good as the renders, but that may just be down to the in house painter's style. I find something about it off, can't put my finger on it, but it was the same with the Mars Attacks stuff. Just doesn't sell the figures to me.

With pledge managers, and pledge manager $ counting towards new stretch goals, KS campaigns from Mantic effectively last for a year or so.

Main thing I'm unsure about currently is pricing on the add-ons, since I'm fairly sure that Warpath pricing on those nightstalkers will be more like $25 for 20, with army deals and such bringing the price down further (there's already the Enforcer Warpath army deal for reference there).

$10 for 5 was the pricing on the peacekeepers in the original DZ campaign.

I am waiting. I have pledged a number of their kickstarters, but the current offering is not worth $115. I am not going to pledge anything until it is worth it IMO.

Creator Mantic Games 1 minute ago

Blaine fans get on alert – big news coming at 3pm GMT on his latest whereabouts.

Over retail it does look like the value is there now. 3 sprues of Veer-myn and 2 of Pathfinder at $25 a pop based on current pricing. That said, I might drop down at the end to just the rulebook and add-on a Pathfinder sprue as the ratmen aren't particularly exciting to me.

Perhaps Blaine is at Murryfield for Scotland versus Ireland

Two scenery sprues at $25 each (right?), $50 worth of minis, a $20ish rule book and 2 $5 accessory sprues. So we're at about $130 worth of value. Roughly. For $115. So it's not as wonderful as it's gonna get, but those are the kickstarter prices right now. So it's already worth it, since retail costs will be closer to $190 for the minis and terrain alone so far.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Perhaps Blaine is at Murryfield for Scotland versus Ireland

Hopefully the Scots have hired his services as an MVP! I hope they have anyway!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Two scenery sprues at $25 each (right?), $50 worth of minis, a $20ish rule book and 2 $5 accessory sprues. So we're at about $130 worth of value. Roughly. For $115. So it's not as wonderful as it's gonna get, but those are the kickstarter prices right now. So it's already worth it, since retail costs will be closer to $190 for the minis and terrain alone so far.

I haven't found Mantics retail prices to be worth it though tbh. They tend to be priced too high for the lower quality compared to their competition lately. What I don't get in a KS (or christmas box!) I don't get now.

Mantic peace keepers vs dreamforge valkir at retail prices? Easy choice imo. Still go in for the kickstarters though ofc, I like having "lots of gak" at a good price, even if I don't need all of it ; p

A Battlezone ($25) is 4 sprues (or 8 half sprues)

The terrain contents to date looks like 1 battlezone worth at $25 and 2 accessory sprues at $5 each so $35 of terrain. (although a KS battlezone had an accessory sprue as well but lets ignore that)

Rulebook, mat and counters $35

HiPs miniatures $50 (without any bulk discounts yet?). Resin mini $8

total $128

The HIPS miniatures are selling for $25 a sprue at retail...at least the Peacekeepers are. They were priced at $10 add-on as well in the last KS, so the value is in there over retail, it's just a matter of whether you want/need that much.

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/43278/s/mgdze05-1/

I got a EB pledge, but I I'm thinking of dropping down to $1 too. Really all I want is the terrain, cuz I love their battlezones and then I'd still have the minis and stuff if the fellas ever want to try it out.

there's Bliane



If we hit this stretch goal ($160,000), we will sculpt and produce the mercenary Blaine on his Jetbike, in resin exclusively for this Kickstarter.

This figure will be included in the Quarantine pledge and available as an individual add-on for $15. You can add multiple copies of this figure to your pledge if you wish.

If you are at the $1 pledge or the Outbreak ($35) pledge you can also pledge for this figure by simply adding it on.

And then… Brood Mother