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I think a lot of the point of this KS is laying groundwork for the Warpath KS, so that there is an army deal ready for Enforcers when it launches, and that other factions at least have one unit in place for the KS to build upon.

4 kits in hard plastic for the faction in place prior to launch, have the inital KS goal for Warpath be a cool Enforcer vehicle (possibly the Wyvern dropship?).. and then that's a whole faction with enough unit variety for a massive mega army deal right off the bat. From there, the structure of the KoW 2 Kickstarter becomes possible, gradually filling out the different armies that can be chosen with new units.

From the perspective of improving Deadzone, the mini range is already mostly complete, it's the rules which need a lot of work, and that's the best thing which will come out of this KS, an updated rulebook that makes the game much better.

Earth Dragon wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't mind the dog in a vacuum (it probably minds though!), but in light of the bikes.. it probably is a wee bit too clunky.

I also wanted pathfinder bikes.

I'm ok with warpath bikers showing up here though, as it means I get to paint them sooner! But yeah, gonna be kinda hard to use effectively in DZ.

Also if the jetbikes are $10, screw it. That's a bit much. Would it really use much more plastic than a sprue of 5 zombies? That would also mean that they'd either be the same at retail or they'd be straight-even with GW's horrendously expensive bikes. Might just be something I skip until miniature market clearances them out some day.

Common model price point. Charge less for mass troops. Charge more for units fielded in smaller quantities. They couldn't afford to do the zombie deal for everything. The zombies were being sold for less then $3 a sprue. They have to fund shipping, tooling, development, wages.....if you aren't gonna sell a boat load, you naturally have to up the price.

Perhaps they should try to sell the boat load. Besides, is a KS campaign really the place to use higher prices to counter unit effectiveness instead of, say, rewarding the backers with a good deal on what they want?

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Earth Dragon wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't mind the dog in a vacuum (it probably minds though!), but in light of the bikes.. it probably is a wee bit too clunky.

I also wanted pathfinder bikes.

I'm ok with warpath bikers showing up here though, as it means I get to paint them sooner! But yeah, gonna be kinda hard to use effectively in DZ.

Also if the jetbikes are $10, screw it. That's a bit much. Would it really use much more plastic than a sprue of 5 zombies? That would also mean that they'd either be the same at retail or they'd be straight-even with GW's horrendously expensive bikes. Might just be something I skip until miniature market clearances them out some day.

Common model price point. Charge less for mass troops. Charge more for units fielded in smaller quantities. They couldn't afford to do the zombie deal for everything. The zombies were being sold for less then $3 a sprue. They have to fund shipping, tooling, development, wages.....if you aren't gonna sell a boat load, you naturally have to up the price.

Perhaps they should try to sell the boat load. Besides, is a KS campaign really the place to use higher prices to counter unit effectiveness instead of, say, rewarding the backers with a good deal on what they want?

How many gamers only buy exactly what they need for the minimum playable army?

I ask because that sure doesn't sound like anyone I know. However, I do know a lot of people who will spend a lot more on products with an attractive price point. People who need, say 0 zombie survivors, will buy both kits from WGF because the value is there. Then they'll buy more for the guns. Totally not talking about me.

Anyway, you are saying mantic should use GW pricing rubrics on a Kickstarter when people are already shocked at their horrible price points for the rewards from their previous kickstarter. If you think that's the best way for Mantic to maintain customer loyalty, well have fun with that.

Besides, once the tooling is paid for, additional sprues should be fairly inexpensive to add. One jetbike at $10 doesn't look like a deal, but 2 for $15 or 4 for $20 would make customers happy and invest in a Mantic army that might need some expanding later on.


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I want to add that if Mantic really can't come up with making a new mini at a price that seems fair for its quality, then they shouldn't make the new mini at all. Better to be known for their great undead army deals than their "new stuff is alright, but never buy them retail" reputation.

You aren't gonna buy 16 speeders like you are gonna buy 80 zombies.

The design cost is still the same for the sprue. The packaging is still a similar price for your 2 speeders versus 4 sprues of zombies. You can afford to move them at a lower cost because you are moving more but with the same amount of shipments.

Industrial Terrain sprue contents

Sprue A - 3 in Quarantine



Sprue B - 3 in Quarantine



Accessory Sprue 1 - 1 in Quarantine



Accessory Sprue 2 - 1 in Quarantine

EDIT: wrong image awaiting correct image

Jetbikes are $10 each :(



1 added to Quarantine



Jetbikes need a bundle deal

Edit beaten

Does the quarantine pledge come with a sprue or two of regular connectors for the terrain?

Yup, saw the $10. I'll buy 4 on top of my pledge.

Interesting that they value the terrain in Quarantine at $35 I hope they aren't planning to bump the Battlezone costs from $25 as with 2 less sprues and 1 more accessories the current offer is only on a par with the previous KS.

Yeah. I'm not sure I'll even add 1 at that price. Its not a bad price... But it doesn't feel like a kick starter price either. Maybe there will be a decent bundle but meh.

This is something I see being cheaper at retail. I can't see them trying to sell them at the same price as space marine bikes, even as cool as they look... Probably will discount retail for the same price or lower in a bundle.

I dunno I guess the bike is halfway between a sm bike and a landspeeder, enforcers aren't small and its quite long.. Maybe I'm being whiney and $10 isn't that bad...

SM Bikes are $15 each.

There definitely needs to be a bundle deal, though. Even 3 for $25 would be welcome. Buy 2 get 1 would be even better.

Earth Dragon wrote:
You aren't gonna buy 16 speeders like you are gonna buy 80 zombies.

Why wouldn't I? Even if I didn't love the idea of an entirely mobile strike force, the speeders can be converted into drones or BFG-style ships or even mobile weapons platforms. Also, making quite an assumption about how many zombies I'd buy.

It's not like there aren't already plenty of cheap zombies on the market. But who makes HIPS jetbikes? Why, if I wanted some, I'd have to buy them ALL from Mantic, wouldn't I?

However, if 4 jetbikes cost as much as 80 zombies, why would I ever pull that trigger?


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$10 each? Won't be making Manticverse HKs out of them, then.

I must admit I'm finding this ks a bit uninspiring, there was a huge ammount of variety and cool concepts in the previous campaign but it doesnt seem like much is currently being offered this time around.

I think the mousepad matt should have been added to the core pledge, the paper one just looks cheap. The scenery looks good but we haven't really seen that much of it shown off, other than the parts diagram.

if it wasn't for me wanting some of the plastics to start my vermyn force I'd consider dropping out and waiting for retail but I know they'll be cheaper through the ks.

plus I must admit those admech figs are calling for my cash :(

Not feeling this one.

I have zero interest in the Enforcers, and the rubber mat is going to cost extra.

I'll just wait for retail and pick up the Rats when they come out. If my friends ever want to play 2 games of deadzone next to each other, they can't buy their own damn mat and scenery.

I was hoping for a 2 player starter set like the first one, with 2 new factions. It would have been perfect. Having the Enforcers again seems strange to me. Great for existing Enforcer players, but kinda odd for everyone else.

Yeah, I could get the Quarantine level and sell the Enforcers. But some of the feedback from previous Mantic Kickstarters has me worried about getting the right stuff. I don't want to have to hassle Mantic to give me the right stuff that I don't even want.

It's a decent deal for new players or ones that like enforcers.

Looks like $35 is the new price for a battle zone guess I'll have to buy less then as I have set budget for them

Creator Mantic Games 10 minutes ago
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On the scenery, put simply, we lost money on the old Battlezones. The scenery holds tremendous value in that pledge level.

 DaveC wrote:
Looks like $35 is the new price for a battle zone guess I'll have to buy less then as I have set budget for them

Creator Mantic Games 10 minutes ago
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On the scenery, put simply, we lost money on the old Battlezones. The scenery holds tremendous value in that pledge level.

"Value" being a somewhat subjective thing, of course!

But yeah, the bump up to $35 is certainly removing some of the 'value' - is the number of sprues per Battlezone staying the same at least?

It looks like an industrial battlezone is 6 sprues, 2 accessory sets and a connector sprue for $35

versus

original KS 8 sprues, 1 accessory and 1 connector for $25.

I think they're about equal contents wise as the 2 new accessory sprues contain a lot more than the old accessory sprue being 1 sprue and one baggie each.

Well... now... are you sure that the contents of the Outbreak or whatever we're calling the core set is a battlezone? If I recall... the original DZ KS had less than a full BZ in it until almost the very end. I'm not sure I would use the current default box contents as a direct indicator of what will be in a battlezone.

Just a thought.


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Also the original accessory sprue was technically two of the same sprue too, at some point they got individualized and sold as such.. but during the campaign they were just one sprue doubled. So I dunno how *that* compares to the current accessory sprue sizes.. but its a thought.

Update says:

How much scenery is included in Quarantine?

There are six industrial sprues in Quarantine, two accessory sprues and a connector sprue, $35 worth of value at Kickstarter Prices.

if that's not a full battlezone at $35 worth then we're really in trouble

That said a Battlezone might be 6 sprues for $25ish (cut the number of sprues but keep the price like those packs of crisps that get smaller and smaller every year for the same price) plus the accessories for the $35 price point - we'll find out tomorrow one way or another.

I see a single retail BZ is $39.99 from Mantic so about a 10% discount on the new KS price but you can get that or better from an online discounter.

Having a hard time coming to terms with pledging more than a buck on this one too.

The original Deadzone had a lot of value from the get go. 4 factions, scenery, scatter terrain, mercenaries to hire, campaign and level up systems... there was a lot to pull me in from the very get go. I wasn't alone in that, considering how many early bird slots they blew through when the campaign started.

Still looking for that "wow" to pull me in. Maybe it'll be there tomorrow with the add ons.

Anyone unfamiliar with DZ may be similarly struggling to see the potential of the game. All of those old videos are an awful lot to trawl through.

I don't think this ks is for people unfamiliar with Deadzone...

 pretre wrote:
I don't think this ks is for people unfamiliar with Deadzone...

Which, in my opinion, was a bad decision.

looks like Battlezones aren't comparable anymore

Creator Mantic Games 1 minute ago

We're not offering the scenery in the same "Battlezones" format we did last time. There will be two bundles, a low price point one and a larger one, depending on how much scenery you would like to add-on

 Mantic Games 27 minutes ago

We're not offering the scenery in the same "Battlezones" format we did last time. There will be two bundles, a low price point one and a larger one, depending on how much scenery you would like to add-on

so no battlezones?

edit. Ninjad by DaveC

kicktrak for the ks so far

 pretre wrote:
I don't think this ks is for people unfamiliar with Deadzone...

No, totally not the case, it's why they forced the human faction into the starter, so new players can relate!

Im finding hard to stay in on this one because of the value. But didnt Dwarf Kings Quest (or whatever the name is) start of like this and finish with tons of stuff? I'll wait till the end and see what occurs.

Dungeon Saga, they called it, yeah we had a million or something for that one. Not sure I see this doing the same... maybe something along the lines of MA or DBX if they hit the gas soon.. but dunno about DS success rate. OFC Dungeon saga was a boardgame for reals and that usually draws a larger crowd. Also they opened up some KoW stock as well as having large hard plastic units available on the cheap.

So far this isn't even a KS for existing DZ players, it's a KS for Warpath Enforcer players.

Never mind anyone new to DZ - they would be better off buying the current starter set at retail.