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Honestly, I think you might be better off getting three Industrial District 'boxes' for 105 instead of the Industrial Quandrant for 100.

Because three Industrial District is 9 A, 9 B, 6 accessory and 3 connectors and no money spent on ruin sprues that are easier to make yourself.

 solkan wrote:
Honestly, I think you might be better off getting three Industrial District 'boxes' for 105 instead of the Industrial Quandrant for 100.

Honestly, I was waiting for the scenery pledge as I like some of the stuff but if that is true that is pretty bad. I mean why would a pledge level ever be worse than just getting add-ons. They better sweeten the deal over time or Mantic has "dun goofed".

I guess I will wait till retail??

I wonder if Mantic isn't running into a problem of keeping the horse in front of the cart with the Deadzone stuff. I mean, I'm sure they like selling terrain for use in other games, but they'd prefer people to use it in theirs.

So they probably want to keep the part where you buy their game the better deal.

How are ruins sprues easier to make yourself? That plastic is tough, it must be taking you an awful long time to cut through the tiles in a regular battlezone

Actually, regarding the Terrain pledges...

At RRP (£24.99 approx $37), the Urban zone on the Mantic web store has;
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/battlezones/product/battlezones-sci-fi-urban-district.html

4 x Urban Sprue A
2 x Urban Sprue B
2 x Urban Sprue C
2 x Sci-Fi Accessory Sprue
1 x Connector Sprue

Not counting the connector, that's 10 sprues. So about $3.70 per sprue at RRP

The new Industrial sprue is $35 and has 8 sprues, not counting the connector. That's $4.38 per sprue at KS price.
The new Terrain pledge is $100 and has 24 sprues, not counting the connectors. That's $4.17 per sprue at KS pledge entry price.

Why are Kickstarter prices higher than RRP prices on existing stuff when we're putting our money in nearly a year early?

I must be missing something. Are the new sprues bigger?
If I'm investing money a year early, I don't really expect to be paying more than current RRP.

Either Mantic are trying to make a killing out of us all this time, or next January, we'll see their RRP start to hit GW price levels.

Hmm comparing this:

http://www.e-minis.net/images/SPRUES-MANTIC-BATTLEZONE.jpg

to this:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-infestation-sci-fi-skirmish-game/posts/1176419

It seems the new sprues have close to twice as much. Or am I looking at this wrong?

 NTRabbit wrote:
How are ruins sprues easier to make yourself? That plastic is tough, it must be taking you an awful long time to cut through the tiles in a regular battlezone

Dremels and similar power tools don't care how "tough" your plastic is. And manually carved ruins don't don't suffer quite as much from the "Count the number of identical piles of rocks on this table" problem. But perhaps I should have written "better" than "easier".

Either way, after getting some ruin sprues from the first Deadzone, I'd rather stick to paying for non-ruined sprues and making the ruined parts myself.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Actually, regarding the Terrain pledges...

At RRP (£24.99 approx $37), the Urban zone on the Mantic web store has;
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/battlezones/product/battlezones-sci-fi-urban-district.html

4 x Urban Sprue A
2 x Urban Sprue B
2 x Urban Sprue C
2 x Sci-Fi Accessory Sprue
1 x Connector Sprue

Not counting the connector, that's 10 sprues. So about $3.70 per sprue at RRP

The new Industrial sprue is $35 and has 8 sprues, not counting the connector. That's $4.38 per sprue at KS price.
The new Terrain pledge is $100 and has 24 sprues, not counting the connectors. That's $4.17 per sprue at KS pledge entry price.

Why are Kickstarter prices higher than RRP prices on existing stuff when we're putting our money in nearly a year early?

I must be missing something. Are the new sprues bigger?
If I'm investing money a year early, I don't really expect to be paying more than current RRP.

Either Mantic are trying to make a killing out of us all this time, or next January, we'll see their RRP start to hit GW price levels.

Thanks for the recap. It does look like the sprues though have more "wall" pieces as opposed to decorative bits so you can make a usable building out of each sprue.

They're making a bit of a mess of this 2 hours after the update and the total has gone up $3k.

The terrain is no better priced than current retail unless they're planning a price hike it's better to wait for a discounter. Well that saves me the money I put aside for terrain. Mercs might be getting more money from me and I didn't see that happening a week ago

carboncopy wrote:
Hmm comparing this:

Spoiler:

to this:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-infestation-sci-fi-skirmish-game/posts/1176419

It seems the new sprues have close to twice as much. Or am I looking at this wrong?

That's a good comparison. With the new sprues as pictured below in the spoiler



you can make a 1x1x2 building with a front door, back wall, one full side wall, one half side wall, and roof making it usable in game (meaning that it is missing one panel on one side's worth of walls to put figures in) on each sprue. You'd need several to do that with the industrial sprues although you'd have a bunch more bits to customize it with on the same sprues.

From the comments, mantics response to the increased price.

...crudely the new sprues are more expensive to produce than before, I believe they are the same size, accessories sprues may be bigger.

Yeah, it looks like Mantic's tripping over their "Sprue Conversion" problem again due to the inevitable repackaging.

Unless they manage to get really clever, "Industrial Scenery Sprue" A looks like it's two sprues of stuff, at least; and Industrial Scenery Sprue B looks to be sprue-and-a-half or so.

Comparing today with the same time yesterday, they are $100 less in daily total but with half the number of extra backers.

I somehow missed that they were charging shipping after the fact as well. Perfectly acceptable given that's how everyone does it these days, but I'm leaning towards dropping down to a buck and just adding a Pathfinder and Jetbike. My previous thought was to go down to $35, but the rulebook doesn't excite me enough to think about paying $10-$15 to have it shipped.

I think not adding a mat to the Quarantine pledge was a mistake on Mantics part.

I just saw the shipping too. Its been there the whole time but no one has really been talking about it. I'm really leaning on just waiting to retail. I so wanted to like this, but I'm just not feeling it. Lord knows how much shipping will be. I'll stick it out for a few more days though.

Is the shipping going to be based on what you order as well as where you are located? If so, those boxes of terrain will get expensive.

 CptJake wrote:
Is the shipping going to be based on what you order as well as where you are located? If so, those boxes of terrain will get expensive.

That's my understanding.

Shipping for almost everyone is going to be via courier, because Royal Mail doesn't take packages anymore, or at least doesn't take packages this large, and they've used different couriers for different regions - ie last time the US and Canada get FedEX, down here in Australia we got UPS

So, wait for retail, with the discounts and free shipping, or pledge for a dollar? Tough choice.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, wait for retail, with the discounts and free shipping, or pledge for a dollar? Tough choice.

If you want Terrain, wait for retail.

Pledging for a dollar just costs a dollar. At this point I'm likely to wait for retail (and then only maybe buy something) but it won't stop me going in for $1 on the last day - simply so I can avoid 2 weeks of KS spam in my email - easier to follow the campaign here!

bit chubbier than I'd thought it would be, though I think I'll have to have one or two.

I'm not tempted at all by Mommy Rat. Just looks dumb to me.

Yeah, she's not quite as cool as the beast one.

carboncopy wrote:
Hmm comparing this:

http://www.e-minis.net/images/SPRUES-MANTIC-BATTLEZONE.jpg

to this:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-infestation-sci-fi-skirmish-game/posts/1176419

It seems the new sprues have close to twice as much. Or am I looking at this wrong?

Industrial sprue A has 4 full-size panels and two 1/4 size panels, plus detail parts (door and fan)
Industrial sprue B has only 2 full-size panels, 2 1/2 size panels, 2 railings and some small bitz.

So no more than the old sprues.

Love the Brood Mother!

 Alex C wrote:
Love the Brood Mother!

What does it for you? I'm not as big a fan of the big stubby arms and the fat bottom thing. I guess it is very ratty though.

Ooh, they should make a 'Rat King' model (bunch of Veermyn stuck together by their tails).

I quite like it, apart from the static pose.

Isn't that just one of those un-posed just hanging out renders? She doesn't have her weapon either.

 GrimDork wrote:
Isn't that just one of those un-posed just hanging out renders? She doesn't have her weapon either.

If so, I'd love to see a posed render.