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As a 'starter set', what rule book will the retail version come with? Surely not the hard cover.

$5 jet bikes woop woop! Getting a few now...

Mantic's metals are hit and miss. Generally I prefer metal over restic but in Mantic's case it is a close run thing.

Restic over metal most of the time. At least restic is light enough to not require pinning all the time.
(plus, its a lot better for larger stuff.)

Skirting the eternal what material do you prefer debate, I still would prefer seeing these commander types included.

Come to think of it, do the Pathfinders have any sort of command unit?

I also want to see what this new entry level box looks like! What kind of rulebook will be included? Why isn't it included in the campaign so far? Heck, we got 2 books in Kings of War... C'mon Mantic!

I imagine we'll get a Pathfinder Sgt at some point.

Good thing they can be made from items like the Enforcer Dreadball character!!

I think I saw somewhere that there are bits for sergeant types on both the Pathfinder and Veer-Myn sprues. Though that might be me misremembering something.

Are there sergeant parts on the Enforcer and/or Peacekeeper sprues?

 Psychopomp wrote:

I think I saw somewhere that there are bits for sergeant types on both the Pathfinder and Veer-Myn sprues. Though that might be me misremembering something.

Are there sergeant parts on the Enforcer and/or Peacekeeper sprues?

Enforcer yes, Peacekeeper no, Forge Guard yes

The only thing marking a sergeant on the Enforcer sprue is his energy gauntlet, as far as Deadzone rules go, and there's an energy gauntlet on the enforcer sprue, so yeah...

Yes, they've got the pistol+ energy fist/combat blade option. I suspect both veermyn and pathfinders have Sgts built in, but it does leave us with no high command value leaders included in the pledge, most likely.

Dunno if I just want 4 more bikes... 8 more bikes, or 18 more bikes

Veermyn do, they're called a Malignus and each sprue has parts for one, it's been spread in the updates and comments.

Not seen anything about a Sgt on the Pathfinder sprue, but I've not read all the comments either.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Good thing they can be made from items like the Enforcer Dreadball character!!

I think I see a Winter Soldier conversion candidate in that Pathfinder squad buddy...

 CptJake wrote:
As a 'starter set', what rule book will the retail version come with? Surely not the hard cover.

Hopefully, they won't clear out their back stock of the original DZ rulebook with the new starter.
Mine has pages on pages of cut and paste (I used post-its with enough adhesive to go directly over parts that had changed) all through it.
It feels like paying to beta test some times.

 pretre wrote:
I imagine we'll get a Pathfinder Sgt at some point.

For the low low price of $25.000 we will add a sergeant head to the Pathfinder sprue!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I imagine we'll get a Pathfinder Sgt at some point.

For the low low price of $25.000 we will add a sergeant head to the Pathfinder sprue!

Which they'll try to sell at $3 each as an add to see if folks will bite but after being called out on the ridiculousness of it will change it to 50 cents a pop!

/Rolleyes

I meant as a unit type. They already said the bits are on the sprue for sergeants.

Can't believe the number of people here who prefer PVC over metal. This is why we can't have nice things.

 pretre wrote:
People probably knew about this already, but you can see all of Mantic's comments on this page:
https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/1744629938/comments


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Bikes just went two for $10.

And now I will buy twenty, instead of none. 'twasn't so hard was it? ...except of course that it was.


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 warboss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I imagine we'll get a Pathfinder Sgt at some point.

For the low low price of $25.000 we will add a sergeant head to the Pathfinder sprue!

Which they'll try to sell at $3 each as an add to see if folks will bite but after being called out on the ridiculousness of it will change it to 50 cents a pop!

Well, the scout sprue is still $10 for 5 models...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Skirting the eternal what material do you prefer debate, I still would prefer seeing these commander types included.

Come to think of it, do the Pathfinders have any sort of command unit?

Aren't there supposed to be command options on the plastic sprue? Pretty sure the dogbot will be my commander.

My only thought is if they're concerned with making this easy and more accessible, metal doesn't seem the best choice of materials for trying to tap into the boardgame/ tabletop curious crowd. But I am not Mantic, so what do I know?

Why not make a sprue with some of these new veermyn leaders all on there? I really hope the slashers will be plastic at least.

Just not a big fan of larger/ heavier metal models. Never have been.

Multiple characters on plastic doesn't seem cost effective.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Just not a big fan of larger/ heavier metal models.

Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Skirting the eternal what material do you prefer debate, I still would prefer seeing these commander types included.

Come to think of it, do the Pathfinders have any sort of command unit?

Aren't there supposed to be command options on the plastic sprue? Pretty sure the dogbot will be my commander.

I would totally do that if it came with a Doge head.

I found Mantic's small metal models quite nice.

I'd rather not have to lug around 40mm based or larger models in metal, tho. Honestly I wouldn't mind MA/DBX board game plastic. It's nice.

It also doesn't have to come pre-assembled, as per the DBX keepers. I would certainly see a lot of sense in supplying a starter box with a mix of HIPS troopers and boardgame plastic specialists (I see no functional difference between it and PVC, except possibly shallower very fine detail and much less mouldlines). But I assume the funding required would just be much higher.

Large metals for DZ also have another problem: Tipping terrain. Two walls and a roof wont carry that broodmother, pretty sure of that...

 Tyr13 wrote:
Large metals for DZ also have another problem: Tipping terrain. Two walls and a roof wont carry that broodmother, pretty sure of that...

That is a good point I know I had not thought of.

 Tyr13 wrote:
Large metals for DZ also have another problem: Tipping terrain. Two walls and a roof wont carry that broodmother, pretty sure of that...

Yep. More chance that the model will tumble, and more chance that the fall will damage the paint job or the model itself.

I'm very much hoping that they'll treat the Veer-myn beast like the Enforcer jetbike and do it in hard plastic. Or, if it's just a tunneler / ground scuttler, maybe falling from towers won't be a concern. Maybe the Brood Mother is so overweight she can't climb buildings either? She certainly doesn't look up to much except pushing a grocery cart.

I've had mixed experiences with Mantic metals, some beautiful, some miscast. I expect with these newer metal models, bought through a Kickstarter campaign, that requesting replacement for miscast parts would be pretty simple, though (rather than bought from a retailer, for example.) I had to ask for a second Sorak Swordspawn head due to a miscast horn and Mantic came through.

A sprue of a few different characters would be really awesome, tho it doesn't seem like mantic is interested in doing that.

I really really don't like metal, especially for a game like this with multiple levels, etc. As someone mentioned a metal model falling from a building could cause some damage.

My preference is probably boardgame plastic from dbx->resin->restic-------->metal. So I probably won't be picking up any characters this campaign unless we see some new materials. I did up my pledge for 2 more jetbikes though, deciding if I should add more, wonder what size the warpath unit will be?