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There is a simple rule when it comes to Mantic models. The less Heath Foley has been involved, the better they become. It seems that he is not involved that much in this kickstarter, so the concepts look good.

He's done some very decent concept art for them. The issue is that the final product almost never comes out anything like that art.

Last two times I woke up, the total had gone up $1k overnight. This morning, finally, I woke up to see some decent progress and a $25 booster thrown in my pledge for free. Probably some correlation there.

So how are those rat Nightmares? I already have Peacekeepers and Striders coming out of my ears, so I'm picking rats for my booster unless some other faction gets unlocked.

 Azazelx wrote:
He's done some very decent concept art for them. The issue is that the final product almost never comes out anything like that art.

I would say that his stuff for Dungeon Saga ranged from OK to Good, but almost everything he has done for KOW has ranged from awful to almost OK.

The original Ogres and Trolls were pretty good (though a bit Johnny Bravo) and even the Basilean concept sketches were decent.

Some Pathfinder parts from the blog

Each model is made up of a head, two arms carrying a weapon, a torso, and a pair of legs. These are broadly separated in male and female varieties; three women, two men. These have a few extra options in terms of legs and torso poses, including running and kneeling versions. There are seven heads on the sprue to choose from, each sporting a set of goggles or some pretty darn radical haircuts!

The sprue carries several rifles in ‘firing’ or ‘at ease’ poses. Each of these comes in only two matched parts and so are quick and easy to assemble for your force. There is also a range of additional arms and pouches to really add a sense of character to your models – pointing out a target, firing off a snap-shot with a pistol, or pulling a knife for the up-close kill. There’s even a cloak for those of you who want to add some extra camouflage to your models.

I like those parts.

Why is Mr Clean so angry?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why is Mr Clean so angry?

Obviously the veermyn left a mess.

I want to thank mantic for making female soldiers, and not female bombshells.
I applaud you.

Ah well, the "Beast" (Night Terror now) is metal. $15 for one, probably quite a large hunk of metal, too. On the plus side, as a four-legged scuttler, it'll probably be pretty stable, and make a good paperweight.

And it's only a $5,000 stretch goal. Looks like they're trying to increase the pace.

Oh, its only 5k? I guess I don't feel so bad about it then. Really wanted several in hard plastic but... don't need that for deadzone really.

If you were already gonna get this and the broodmother, almost silly not to pick up the second bundle

The Veer-myn Beast Faction Booster ($25) will include:

- 1 Veer-myn Brood Mother

- 5 Veer-myn Stalkers (that can be built as Night-Crawlers)

- 1 Veer-myn Night Terror with Reaper Harness.

and get 5 more infantry for 2 bucksfree...forgot Brood Mother was $10, was thinking progenitor.

So far, they're keeping it pretty easy for me to pick up the new stuff without dipping too deeply into the wallet, especially since I have enough peacekeepers and striders.

Not thrilled about another large, metal model, I'll tell you that.

These are the beasties they should be putting into restic or resin

If they are using metal, please consider ease of pinning when sculpting and moulding the model.

Yeah, I'm happy with Metal on any of the one-offs. Plus you can kill a man with that night terror and a sock.

First post updated.

 warboss wrote:
I said they were the modern day equivalent of Dreamblade. Mantic by and large makes worse looking, retro cartoony, but much cheaper 40k "alternatives" just like dreamblade did a decade or more earlier.

See, I still disagree. GW has put out awful, simply awful kits for the past few years. The Enforcer aesthetic, for example, is just leagues better than anything in 40k imho. I'm so tired of the terrible, overly busy, nonsensical gak that GW has been releasing. Each release wave they appear to be in competition with their previous month's release for most laughably bad design and execution.


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 Taarnak wrote:

judgedoug wrote:.
It's why I love Mantic's KoW Orcs. They don't look like 90's Kev Adams or Bryan Nelson GW Orcs. They look intelligent and brutal.

I totally disagree here. The Orx are still completely comedy in my opinion, especially the Deadzone ones. The Riffs from Fallen Frontiers look intelligent and brutal.

I don't care for Orx or Deadzone Orx. I'm talking about KoW Orcs. KoW Orc Ax, Greatax, Morax, Gore Riders are well sculpted, wearing manufactured weapons and armor, have excellent muscled proportions, and don't look like hydrocephalic watermelon heads. They look like a real army, marching to war. Everything I love about fantasy Orcs.
GW WHFB Orcs just look stupid. So bad. So, so sooo bad.


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 darkPrince010 wrote:
Alrighty, now I'm finally seeing value being offered for a sweet spot pledge.

Not saying that you said anything, but it's interesting to contrast this statement with the chorus of voices that declared the KS garbage value after it was two or three days old.




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 Azazelx wrote:

We all played Necromunda for years without the sky falling. It's really not as big of an issue as people are thinking it is.

On flimsy cardboard terrain, no less!


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 Taarnak wrote:
I don't think McVey did any sculpting did he? He was/is the Art Director though. Also, not everyone agrees that Naismith is as good as you seem to think he is.

McVey did several sculpts. My favorite is the Orc Krudger on Gore.

I guess there's enough people that think Naismith is good because he is continually hired by companies and is responsible for nearly every 3up traditional sculpt outside of Perry.

GW's sculpting and tooling techniques (for HIPS) are impeccable, but their designs certainly range from amazing to atrocious.

Mantic varies wildly on both fronts and their good designs can be better than GW's bad designs, but they're 15 years behind on the tech side of things.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
GW's sculpting and tooling techniques (for HIPS) are impeccable, but their designs certainly range from amazing to atrocious.

Mantic varies wildly on both fronts and their good designs can be better than GW's bad designs, but they're 15 years behind on the tech side of things.

The only company on par with GW's technology is Wargames Factory, and I would say WF is superior due to producing actually good kits.

The technical design of a kit may be fantastic, but if the content is awful then there's no reason to buy it.
Otherwise I'd be buying a lot more Bandai and Tamiya models, as they are an order of magnitude better skilled (especially at slide core tooling) than GW. But I don't.
GW produces very very high quality kits of really really terrible designs.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
If they are using metal, please consider ease of pinning when sculpting and moulding the model.

Good luck with that.

If another faction were to be introduced, which one do you think or want it to be?

 judgedoug wrote:
GW has put out awful, simply awful kits for the past few years. The Enforcer aesthetic, for example, is just leagues better than anything in 40k imho. I'm so tired of the terrible, overly busy, nonsensical gak that GW has been releasing. Each release wave they appear to be in competition with their previous month's release for most laughably bad design and execution.

Careful, if you keep making fun of Santa Logan and his friends then he'll put you on his grimdark naughty list permanently!

That's hilarious

Someone will get the complete update first so I'll just paraphrase, update 17:

Terror done.

10k more monies gets our shredders upgrades into shredder/ravagers who can be drill+chem thrower, 2x drill, or chem laser cannon.
2 shredagers in quarantine
2 shredagers in the first veermyn booster
2 shredagers for $10!

BOOM, just like the bikes, sexy update.


I'm assuming that you'll get enough bodies to make two, extra heads, and enough arms to make the laser cannon guy and then the other guy can have a 2xdrill or drill+chemthrower, I would be a bit surprised if they had options enough for the 10 dollar kit to make 2x of any build. Just my thoughts, no confirmation.

Makes sense $10k was never enough to tool a HIPs kit they split it into 2 smaller stretch goals to keep things moving and the full kit gets funded for $20k. At least there's 2 in the kit now.

The Night Terror also has a chem thrower in the original artwork that's missing in the stretch goal I wonder if they will come back to it and add the chem thrower for another $5k?

From the way they described the sprue I fear that, like the jetbikes, it will be 1 per sprue, so identical poses all around. But 4 for free in my pledge is pretty cool.

Hmm. Cheap count as for DE grots?

Grots are monopose anyway, so you're certainly not losing out in that department. And the rats will at the very least come with a bunch of head options.

I guess their suitability for Grots will primarily be decided by how much body hair they have.

Which hasn't been a problem so far... the hard plastic infantry don't really even have any do they? Everyone else is in too muh armor to tell atm...

People have been using the plastic rat ogres for grotesques for awhile now so I'm sure these will have a strong chance of working out.

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 darkPrince010 wrote:
Alrighty, now I'm finally seeing value being offered for a sweet spot pledge.

Not saying that you said anything, but it's interesting to contrast this statement with the chorus of voices that declared the KS garbage value after it was two or three days old.

Well, I was comparing the value for the day-one Infestation vs day-one Deadzone, and there was definitely a stark difference, especially after considering that S&H wasn't included. However, that difference has now been significantly narrowed, so I'm back to being a happy camper, and trying to talk myself out of plunking down anything more than the $115 pledge, plus $25 for Asterians, plus $10 for jetbikes $20 for jetbikes $40 for jetbikes far too much for jetbikes...

 judgedoug wrote:

I don't care for Orx or Deadzone Orx. I'm talking about KoW Orcs. KoW Orc Ax, Greatax, Morax, Gore Riders are well sculpted, wearing manufactured weapons and armor, have excellent muscled proportions, and don't look like hydrocephalic watermelon heads.

They are quite literally the same thing at their core (Orcs/Orx).

And they are all gak designs and gak executions. They are low-rent copies of GW Orcs (which I don't particularly like either). Right down to the slap dash equipment, and oddly proportioned heads that grow from their chests.

 judgedoug wrote:

McVey did several sculpts. My favorite is the Orc Krudger on Gore.

Is there anywhere to see a list of sculpt credits? Do they put that on the store ppages?

Look, if you like it more power to you. I'm not gonna change your mind, and you aren't gonna change mine. But stop pretending it's the best gak ever.

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Removed stuff about Naismith. Tired of trying to point things out to people who are fine with "good enough".