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I see a lot of steel warriors in my future.

Slick deals. Makes me want to add a 20-pack of each... I don't even play Warpath.

Nobody does but we all want spacedwarf/spaceskaven hordes.

I didn't want to pay my morgage off anyway. The question is how many of what.

I'm having trouble resolving 30 pathfinders... seems a bit much really. But steel warriors are the standard line troopers of the FF so I could use a ton of those, 60 maybe a bit much as they're pretty elite and all.... but 40 seems right. Not sure if I want more space skaven or not... But the extra 45 I just pledged (beyond the 40 for the forge fathers) could easily get eaten up on bikes and maybe some duplicates like the N7 or drop marauder.

20 Pathfinders is probably enough for Warpath but adding 10 costs $15 whereas 20 is $20 so the extra $5 is a no brainer. There's enough DOG drones in there for their own unit!

I think an extra 40 Steel Warriors is enough for now (on top of 5 in the pledge) currently a basic platoon unit of 20 is 300 pts. that's before special weapons are added. You can fill nearly 800 points with 45.

Regarding warpath, are the Forge guard gonna be on 25mm bases like in Deadzone? For some reason I assumed they where gonna be on 40mm bases.

That's what I'm thinking, plus those steady units (or w/e you call them) will be unlocking characters and vehicles, and there are plenty of Drakkarim and uhhh...derp... oh storm rage vets, to fill in points. Plus warpath vehicles

I may pick up some more pathfinders just for the reasons you state, will come down to 20 more pathfinders against 4 more bikes.


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I can't imagine forge guard would need 40mm bases... Just think of them as really compact terminators, capable of greater force concentration because of their smaller sizesuperior technology

I'm not going to be able to resist those 4 packs of forge fathers!

Not going to lie, those steel warriors are very nice! Hope the plastics turn out like the masters!

Now Mantic's finally giving me a reason to spend, spend, spend.


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In the pledge manager.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now Mantic's finally giving me a reason to spend, spend, spend.


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In the pledge manager.

Yep, I'm finally in on this kickstarter


For $1. Till the pledge manager comes out.

Forge Guard are 25mm bases in DZ and will be the same in WP.

Ecstatic about the deals (Hello, 20 pathfinders, 20 veermyn, and 40 steel warriors). I wasn't super-invested in the terrain or rules, so now I can drop down to the $1 level, get 3x the number of models I wanted without worrying about resin/metal along with a set of bikes on top, and still come out $15 less than Quarantine was.

Also, I very much like the aesthetics on those Steel Warriors. I think they may have accidentally invalidated Stormrage Vets (My previous favorite FF models), which have very notable design similarities to the new Steel Warriors and could result in confusion on the tabletop if kept as a separate unit, but I am 100% ok with removing the resin Stormrage and replacing it with a sprue of HIPS for half the cost that has the same cool appearance.

 Theophony wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now Mantic's finally giving me a reason to spend, spend, spend.


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In the pledge manager.

Yep, I'm finally in on this kickstarter


For $1. Till the pledge manager comes out.

Thanks for helping out fellas

Earth Dragon wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now Mantic's finally giving me a reason to spend, spend, spend.


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In the pledge manager.

Yep, I'm finally in on this kickstarter


For $1. Till the pledge manager comes out.

Thanks for helping out fellas

What? Are you trying to shame them for not upping the total? That's hilarious. It's their money.

So the Steel Warriors will be a dual kit with Stormrage Vets (although it will mean another stretch goal). That should cover the extra 5 added to pledges as them lads are expensive at 185 pts. for 5 or 395 pts. for 10

Up next:

With the basic Steel Warrior frame funded, our next stretch goal will be to make it a dual kit to create hard plastic Stormrage Veterans, with the additional funding used to expand the tool and develop the kit with all manner of special weapons and extra parts.

Here are a few sample renders:

Really liking these Forgefathers

Agreed on that, the new Steel Warriors look great. Good of Mantic to make a joke regarding the lack of loin cloths too. My only reservation with buying a bulk lot of them is that I have found the more recent Mantic hard plastic sprues such as the Deadzone Zombies and Enforcers to be quite limited in terms of options. That said the 4 pack deals are exceptional value for money.

Glad to see the KS taking off a bit more for you backers too.

Mymearan wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now Mantic's finally giving me a reason to spend, spend, spend.


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In the pledge manager.

Yep, I'm finally in on this kickstarter


For $1. Till the pledge manager comes out.

Thanks for helping out fellas

What? Are you trying to shame them for not upping the total? That's hilarious. It's their money.

It's one to say I only have $20 now and have to wait. It's another to force everyone to do all the work up front then you reap the rewards. Knowing you'll take advantage but not helping even the slightest is a little bit of a "ha ha suckers" to the rest of the backers.

You don't have to commit big, but if everyone pulled that tactic, they'd have nothing to add in the manager.


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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Agreed on that, the new Steel Warriors look great. Good of Mantic to make a joke regarding the lack of loin cloths too. My only reservation with buying a bulk lot of them is that I have found the more recent Mantic hard plastic sprues such as the Deadzone Zombies and Enforcers to be quite limited in terms of options. That said the 4 pack deals are exceptional value for money.

Glad to see the KS taking off a bit more for you backers too.

The issue with the Forge Guard and Enforcers was that they were designed to be whole models then got changed to multi-part. You'll notice these ones where built to be seperated at the torso properly so they could be interchanged. Better design so should create an improved result.

Earth Dragon wrote:

It's one to say I only have $20 now and have to wait. It's another to force everyone to do all the work up front then you reap the rewards. Knowing you'll take advantage but not helping even the slightest is a little bit of a "ha ha suckers" to the rest of the backers.

You don't have to commit big, but if everyone pulled that tactic, they'd have nothing to add in the manager.

Help with what? It's not a team effort, it's a product being offered by a company. If they wanted what was in the basic pledges, they would put the money in. If they only want the add-ons, why on earth would they pay extra for stuff they don't need?

Checking back in with my "nearly done" reminder, I do like the addon bundle announced for troops and Mantic's convinced me to put in the $1 for the pledge manager. Really liking the bikes, Steel Warriors and Asterians, and the Pathfinders are certainly in the "ok" realm as well. However, I just dislike veer-myn so much as a concept still that I don't think I can go for one of the actual pledge levels since they make up such a big chunk of them. Maybe I'll mellow on that dislike by the time the PM comes out.


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:

It's one to say I only have $20 now and have to wait. It's another to force everyone to do all the work up front then you reap the rewards. Knowing you'll take advantage but not helping even the slightest is a little bit of a "ha ha suckers" to the rest of the backers.

You don't have to commit big, but if everyone pulled that tactic, they'd have nothing to add in the manager.

Help with what? It's not a team effort, it's a product being offered by a company. If they wanted what was in the basic pledges, they would put the money in. If they only want the add-ons, why on earth would they pay extra for stuff they don't need?

And from Mantic's perspective, those $1 backers are nicer for them in the long run. If I pledged $1000 during the campaign, that's great that they have that assured money, but they're only getting $900 of the pledge due to KS and Amazon fees. If I pledge a dollar now, and up the spend to a thousand later, Mantic now has $999.90 for the exact same amount of product. Nearly every company would prefer a mix of both kinds of backer, but they're definitely not mad in the least about those "pay far more later" types. That's why Mantic gets more excited over backer number than they do over dollar amount. They know from their myriad projects now what people are likely to spend on the pledge manager on average, and that $400k on a campaign can easily turn into $500k in the PM with that last $100k coming in without huge bite marks on it.

It's great when a campaign blows up, but Mantic isn't a start-up company; they're using KS as a hype platform and to side-step some of the hurdles with traditional sales churn and credit by simply offering wholesale price (i.e. - not really hurting their bottom line that much) to people who buy things sight-unseen fairly far in advance. If they're going to play games with KS, they know their saavy backers are going to do so as well and have planned accordingly. It's all part of the dance.

If this was another company who legitimately had no options, like DreamForge's KS way back in the day, then yes pledging for the PM is problematic. That simply isn't the case for Mantic at this stage.

How is kickstarter not a team effort? If everyone pledges a buck we'd all get nothing.

 Krinsath wrote:
Checking back in with my "nearly done" reminder, I do like the addon bundle announced for troops and Mantic's convinced me to put in the $1 for the pledge manager. Really liking the bikes, Steel Warriors and Asterians, and the Pathfinders are certainly in the "ok" realm as well. However, I just dislike veer-myn so much as a concept still that I don't think I can go for one of the actual pledge levels since they make up such a big chunk of them. Maybe I'll mellow on that dislike by the time the PM comes out.


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:

It's one to say I only have $20 now and have to wait. It's another to force everyone to do all the work up front then you reap the rewards. Knowing you'll take advantage but not helping even the slightest is a little bit of a "ha ha suckers" to the rest of the backers.

You don't have to commit big, but if everyone pulled that tactic, they'd have nothing to add in the manager.

Help with what? It's not a team effort, it's a product being offered by a company. If they wanted what was in the basic pledges, they would put the money in. If they only want the add-ons, why on earth would they pay extra for stuff they don't need?

And from Mantic's perspective, those $1 backers are nicer for them in the long run. If I pledged $1000 during the campaign, that's great that they have that assured money, but they're only getting $900 of the pledge due to KS and Amazon fees. If I pledge a dollar now, and up the spend to a thousand later, Mantic now has $999.90 for the exact same amount of product. Nearly every company would prefer a mix of both kinds of backer, but they're definitely not mad in the least about those "pay far more later" types. That's why Mantic gets more excited over backer number than they do over dollar amount. They know from their myriad projects now what people are likely to spend on the pledge manager on average, and that $400k on a campaign can easily turn into $500k in the PM with that last $100k coming in without huge bite marks on it.

It's great when a campaign blows up, but Mantic isn't a start-up company; they're using KS as a hype platform and to side-step some of the hurdles with traditional sales churn and credit by simply offering wholesale price (i.e. - not really hurting their bottom line that much) to people who buy things sight-unseen fairly far in advance. If they're going to play games with KS, they know their saavy backers are going to do so as well and have planned accordingly. It's all part of the dance.

If this was another company who legitimately had no options, like DreamForge's KS way back in the day, then yes pledging for the PM is problematic. That simply isn't the case for Mantic at this stage.

How do they only pay a 10 cent paypal fee on a grand?

The question for me now is Do I pledge big now or wait for the warpath KS? Not gonna have any opportunity to play DZ in the foreseeable future so I'm pretty much in for the minis only.

Earth Dragon wrote:
How is kickstarter not a team effort? If everyone pledges a buck we'd all get nothing.

That's mantics problem, not mine. There is no responsibility here on the backers part. If I want to put in $1 to get access to the pledge manager, I will. If everyone does the same and we don't get a product, that's still mantics problem to fix and not mine. I'll just use my money to buy something else. If you really care about unlocking stretch goals or supporting the company right now, go right ahead, no one will stop you!

Sorry you feel that way Earth Dragon. Truth is Mantic has done this to themselves with having not one but TWO other kickstarters still open to adjust pledges in. Not to mention all the other kickstarters out there this month. On top of that they have soooooooo many fake stretch goals in there (heavy weapons for the jetbikes) that we figure are on the same sprue anyway. To toss in more money now, especially as I am on a tight budget as it is, would be stupid. I'm not going to run up a credit card bill just to support mantic, or possibly get you more options. If that's what you consider laughing in your face then too bad. If mantic didn't endorse this tactic then they shouldn't allow $1 pledge adjustments. Just have the $1 pledge as a support only no access to pledge manager in future and make the bare minimum to get in be $XXX. But that would be very GW of them and not sporting to those who just don't have the funds right now.

 dragqueeninspace wrote:
How do they only pay a 10 cent paypal fee on a grand?

True they'll still have payment processor fees, but those are likely lower than the KS + payment processor fees. $950 is still greater than $900, and the cost of the product remains identical so this results in a better deal for Mantic in the long-run. The downside from their perspective is the uncertainty in how much money that $1 ends up being because it could remain $1, or it could balloon into thousands which is where their many campaigns of experience can inform them of what their total is likely looking to be. However, that uncertainty is why they, and any "KS company" like CMoN or ND seem to be morphing into, wants a mix; enough up-front money to plan reliably around but also enough PM backers to get a bit of cushion on that plan too.

If Mantic didn't want people running KS games with them, then they really shouldn't be running them on the backers with artificially low goals and "fake" stretch goals of parts that were likely already planned for the tool. What's good for the goose and all that.

Again, there are certainly situations where KS is a team effort and everyone should chip in what they can for the project because it legitimately will not get made at all if the campaign fails. When KS is part of your business model, that doesn't really apply anymore.

Sure got libertarian in here all of a sudden!

At the end of the day, as long as I get my dwarves, I don't care

Sining wrote:
At the end of the day, as long as I get my dwarves, I don't care

Seeing as how they had them as an add on even before the 'stretch goal' was met, and very likely have the tool laid out already, I don't think that is a problem.