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 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Has anyone seen a painted Urban Demolisher? I'm going to start on mine today, and would like a little inspiration, but no one has touched theirs as far as I can tell.

Mine is scheduled to be painted by the end of the month, but 50/50 whether I get it done on time. Not seen a painted one in the wild either.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm still flabbergasted about the complaints.

This must be your first day on the internet. Welcome! Over here you'll find videos of cats battling doorstops, and that dark patch over there is 4chan. We never speak of that place.

Hah. I understand that people in general love to complain in the direction of nullspace, but I reserve the right to never understand the reasonings why.

It must be hard, difficult, strange and beautiful over there in Your World!

The same reason you are complaining about the complainers.

Anonymity allows nerds in particular to be something they are afraid to be in real life: assertive and sometimes downright aggressive.

Other then that, Mantic had some complaints coming. No one is actually sure how they are going to "fix" anything. About half of the opinions I say posted on how they should improve campaigns would make it even worse then it is now.

The losing side should have the advantage in the next fight?!? Please......keep your training wheels. Having safety nets to ensure people progress faster when falling behind is always welcome, understandable, and quite frankly realistic (when you are challenged more, you learn more). Downright giving the advantage to the person making the poor decisions the battle before is just absurd, and maybe they should stick to playing the computer on easy mode in their video games.

If they turn campaigns into just a predetermined series of fights, with no true consequences, and "Only the last battle matters"......no thank you. But that's what some are asking for.

Earth Dragon wrote:

Anonymity allows nerds in particular to be something they are afraid to be in real life: assertive and sometimes downright aggressive.

Ever read newspaper letter pages, or even their comment boards? Anonymity allows *anyone* to be jerks. A certain percentage of people in the world throughout every hobby and interest anywhere are jerks. And that's about that.

Earth Dragon, what are you talking about?

Who do you believe were the "losers" of this Kickstarter campaign, and how did they lose?

I think that last part was referencing someone's desired changes to the campaign system? I didn't follow the comments all that closely I guess.

Ninja'd by Grimdork.

 judgedoug wrote:

We got a tight, shortly run Kickstarter with easily attainable goals within a reasonable timeframe with much less chances of Mantic-style QC messups.

Is there any reason to think that beyond just pie in the sky optimism? I'm seriously asking. Have they been better in that regard with the smaller total KS with similar number of new figs/sprues?

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

We got a tight, shortly run Kickstarter with easily attainable goals within a reasonable timeframe with much less chances of Mantic-style QC messups.

Is there any reason to think that beyond just pie in the sky optimism? I'm seriously asking. Have they been better in that regard with the smaller total KS with similar number of new figs/sprues?

Well personal experience says dreadball extreme was delivered to myself with no missing parts and good sculpts in a good material.

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

We got a tight, shortly run Kickstarter with easily attainable goals within a reasonable timeframe with much less chances of Mantic-style QC messups.

Is there any reason to think that beyond just pie in the sky optimism? I'm seriously asking. Have they been better in that regard with the smaller total KS with similar number of new figs/sprues?

When they ship spues, especially when they are in plastic bags sealed at the factory, they tend to no be missing parts*. And less types of bags to jam into boxes may mean less error in packing.

*I did have Mantic spues delivered with parts that had fallen off somewhere and were missing though.

They totally forgot to send bases with the all-plastic DZ wave 3 tho.

I thought they sent out the bases with wave 2 for the 'to be delivered' spues.

Only for the sprues that should have been in Wave 2 in the first place. Anything paid for after Wave 2 shipped came without bases.

Got ya, I didn't order anything after wave 2, so my wave 3 was just stuff that had been previously ordered.

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

We got a tight, shortly run Kickstarter with easily attainable goals within a reasonable timeframe with much less chances of Mantic-style QC messups.

Is there any reason to think that beyond just pie in the sky optimism? I'm seriously asking. Have they been better in that regard with the smaller total KS with similar number of new figs/sprues?

Dreadball Extreme seems to have shipped with much, much less QC issues than any previous Mantic KS.

I feel Mars Attacks would have been the same way if they hadn't buckled to the few loud complaints and introduced a dozen pledge levels and add-ons. The only issue I personally had with Mars Attacks was one of my Antenociti's Workshop resin add-ons was messed up.

Dungeon Saga has the potential to be very well managed/QC'ed as the number of pledge levels, add-ons and swaps were severely limited. It, like this Deadzone KS, were well managed, tightly run, and didn't go crazy in the amount of stuff to be produced (DZ1, Dreadball S1-S3 with varying materials, Kings of War with tiny stretch goals). I seriously believe anyone saying that this kickstarter should have been bigger/had more stuff/etc has zero knowledge about how really ANY large kickstarter, fething Sedition Wars, can go right off the rails with delays and bad QC.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Only for the sprues that should have been in Wave 2 in the first place. Anything paid for after Wave 2 shipped came without bases.

gak. I forgot to look for bases. I've got the W3 stuff in a separate tub, so it'll be easy to check. What's the correct Mantic contact email for this stuff these days? I know it changed when they "finished" the KS. I'm not paying for a pile of bases - I ordered a ton of sprues for W3.

Submit the missing parts form and the correct person will contact you

The new DOG drone looks a lot better



The Shredders/Ravagers have also been redesigned to be leaner and meaner.



Terraton Shock Trooper

For sure. I like the other two as well though I dunno why the terraton has to hold his weapons so awkwardly.

Do they have opposable thumbs? I can't really tell from that pic but that might be why.

I think I'm okay with all 3 of these designs.

Of course, I was okay with the original ones as well.

May grab a few extra Teratons because... well, because.

I like the new Ravagers, but then again I liked the big fat heavy ones too. Hopefully they're still going to be a bit larger than the regular Veermyn. Curious as to what their drills are going to be like after the redesign. At least it was a bit more plausible for the big heavy one to be carrying big heavy drills.

Codex eldar craft worlds may be the best thing to ever happen to mantic. People are gonna need a lot of jet bikes.

Did that stretch goal that everyone knew would be on the sprue anyways unlock for heavy weapon bike upgrades? Sounds like those are a must over in the eldar thread.

Yeah, it did. At least it was crammed in between a larger stretch goal but yeah, sideways glance at that goal

But uhh... this is a kickstarter that isn't gonna be shipping till January if we're lucky, would eldar players actually be interested in these? I mean... won't the flavor of the month build have changed a few times by then?

Not trying to be snarky so much, I don't follow 40k releases and meta very closely any more, just kind of figuring that they'd have fallen out of favor over half a year from now.

I was mostly kidding. But yeah, probably too long or most of them. Still, got a year of use out of them.

I am waaay more excited about the DOG, even though Zoids aren't normally my favorite. Definitely an improvement, and may encourage another $20 out of me for more Pathfinders and the DOGs as well.

I certainly won't be complaining now if DOGs get a unique unit entry in Warpath.

I didn't actually mind the original dog done. Looked a lot like what a modern version would look like & would probably have seen use in my modern US Army zombie hunters.

 Red_Starrise wrote:
I didn't actually mind the original dog done. Looked a lot like what a modern version would look like & would probably have seen use in my modern US Army zombie hunters.

The body was decent, the legs would have limited the mobility way too much for it to be a design that would work well with moderns in my opinion.

That dog drone is a huge improvement.