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 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It looks only one is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army

But I don't. I want to play a fluffy army with lots of old-school infighting between Daemons and CSM-units of different gods. If I wanted mono-red-and-angry-without-intra-army-animosity, I'd play Blood Angels.

... So use the two books you currently have to and hope they come out with a combined version down the track? This thread is clearly and entirely about a Khorne combined codex (And then by inference similar codices for the other gods.) Your point is quite irrelevant here.

No more irrelevant than the millions of posts about "mono-armies" in every single thread and discussion related to Chaos Space Marines in the last 25 years. That incessant whining obviously worked, so it couldn't have been for naught.

I think you mistake the demand for varied, fluffy options to create dedicated armies (as opposed to "d'uh, we have the 4 cult troops, use them more") for the demand to split it into more books. It may have turned that way since GW started making supplements but people wanted to have fluffy armies, not more books in the first place.

Now that I think about it:
You want demons and CSM in one list? You can allready do that. Take detachments or go unbound, it's not that big of a deal. Unless there will be some very specific new units or GW really wants to go for a 4-6 books of chaos approach, all this fancy new codex gives you boils down to some new relics (probably), warlord traits (most likely) and.... thats it.

With CSM and CD at your disposal, your troops choices were allready pretty broad - bloodletters, CSM, Berzerkers, Cultists and taking two detachments there's plenty of room to fit the toys you want, even without going unbound. So I do not think that the gain in organizational freedom is in a good corellation to the price of a new dex.

Wonderwolf wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It looks only one is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army

But I don't. I want to play a fluffy army with lots of old-school infighting between Daemons and CSM-units of different gods. If I wanted mono-red-and-angry-without-intra-army-animosity, I'd play Blood Angels.

What about this new codex will prevent you from doing this? You still have perfectly valid access to the same books you currently have. Giving those players who do want to run mono-god armies a more viable way to play isn't a bad thing.

I'm so looking forward to another book that dumps a whole bunch of rules onto units increasing their killing potential while doing absolutely nothing to fix the actual problem with most assault units- lack of a delivery system. If Kharne's Butcher-Horde is any indication, we'll get rules allowing units to re-roll 1's on failed to-hit/wounds, maybe some combat resolution buffs or extra attacks, and the issue of 90% of assault units simply failing to make it into combat before getting shot to pieces will in all likelyhood go conveniently ignored.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

I get the impression this new book would be a form of stand-alone supplement book, much as the Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion ones were.

I doubt that it will become the main Chaos Codex / Daemons Codex unless it is super successful. I expect GW to look at the sales and decide what to do. It's likely to make more money having the two current codices and additional supplements.

I'm a little hopeful for a Tzeentch codex as I'm fond of the Thousand Sons. Nurgle is very common though I do have a 1.5K Plague Marine army so I could be tempted if it was an interesting and tactically challenging addition that made the game more varied.

I'm not bothered about Khorne, I appreciate many like him and yes it's much easier to start with Khorne / Nurgle. I only hope that they don't neglect Tzeentch and Slaanesh.


If there was a good Slaanesh book.... it could very well be the lure to encourage me to start a new force. As long as it's not just 'noise marines and daemonettes' without anything new or inspiring

 Quarterdime wrote:
Oh, and of course the current berserker models look like diarrhea. Have you seen the Thousand Sons? The Plague Marines?

This is a problem, how exactly?

 Wulfmar wrote:

If there was a good Slaanesh book.... it could very well be the lure to encourage me to start a new force. As long as it's not just 'noise marines and daemonettes' without anything new or inspiring

For that you'd need good slaanesh models first. The demonettes are the only nice looking models in the range. You could argue that the chariots are also nice, but chariots in a futuristic setting just don't cut it for me, and everything else is just eyes-gougingly ugly.
As for the CSM part - the only thing you have are the Noise marine upgrade sprues, and buying a bunch of regular (pretty dated) CSMs and then some (equally aged) sprues on top of that is just prohibitive.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Oh, and of course the current berserker models look like diarrhea.

Suppose they'll be better at running then?

Hur hur...

 Kosake wrote:

For that you'd need good slaanesh models first. The demonettes are the only nice looking models in the range. You could argue that the chariots are also nice, but chariots in a futuristic setting just don't cut it for me, and everything else is just eyes-gougingly ugly.
As for the CSM part - the only thing you have are the Noise marine upgrade sprues, and buying a bunch of regular (pretty dated) CSMs and then some (equally aged) sprues on top of that is just prohibitive.

Aye I'm in the same boat with these chariots. I'm really not a fan of them. I'm not too worried about the models as there are awesome alternatives out there. Forgeworld do some great Noise Marines and Raging Heroes have the Preying Mantis Warriors as alternatives for the Daemonettes. I'm more thinking of some new units (I don't know what, but something wriggly and pinkish-purple will do)

I mean, the chariots are fine in fantasy, but in 40k? Come on, those things look like I could take them down with a lasgun on energy-saving mode, nevermind actual firepower.

The Slaanesh cult really needs some new units there. And just making it wriggly and pink is probably not the solution (for me, that's more of a Tzeench aesthetic, just add a beak or some feathers).
Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

I think there could be more development of a sort of beast aspect to Slaanesh daemons, half snake creatures, Centaurs, minotaurs, that sort of thing could carve a niche for Slaanesh.

 Kosake wrote:

Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

No, that's the last thing Slaanesh needs.

Slaanesh is a God of Excess, not God Of Boobies.

There's plenty of scope for excess in all sorts of ways, plus all the other senses other than touch (because touch=sex=boobies)

 Kosake wrote:
I mean, the chariots are fine in fantasy, but in 40k? Come on, those things look like I could take them down with a lasgun on energy-saving mode, nevermind actual firepower.

The Slaanesh cult really needs some new units there. And just making it wriggly and pink is probably not the solution (for me, that's more of a Tzeench aesthetic, just add a beak or some feathers).
Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

Eh? I didn't disagree with you?

I just wrote pink/purple and wriggly as I didn't want an alternative, more to the point phrase

I apologise if this has been brought up already (I can't be bothered reading through the other pages) but could this finally be the time when we see new Khorne Berserkers?

I've never been a Khorne fan, but even I would fall on my knees and weep with joy if new Berserkers were brought out.

I wonder...

If this codex is Khornate daemons and marines, is it possible that once each god has a book they'll declare the Daemons and Chaos Marines codices obsolete?

No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

Sad Panda wrote:
No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

Where and how did you get this information?

This is the original rumor from Sad Panda posted on January 9 2015. It was also supported by Darnok here and on Warseer. A few days later Bols and Natfka had rumors as well, telling us there will be Berserkers on Juggernauts, a new Berserker kit etc. This is not correct. Next week is AdMech 40k from GW. This week's preorders got already leaked. The original Sad Panda rumor turned out to be 100% correct though - like his Harlequin rumors. And he specificially mentioned there won't be updated models

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Jan 2015
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.

It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..

It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).

The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants). TRUE

There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/630351.page#7492050


Edit: Darnok responded on Dakka to Panda's rumor as well

 Wulfmar wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

Where and how did you get this information?

You're unlikely to get an answer, but everything yet posted by Sad Panda has, I believe, been not only true, but pretty accurate time wise as well, so it is pretty bankable at this point n

Bout time....

Cool okay.

It's a shame if there's no Tzeentch/Slaanesh/Nurgle variant. Khone is the least exciting (from my point of view) and just screams 'possessed and bloodletters'.

I, and many others are likely getting rumours mixed up - such as sources like this one:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/csm-rumors-cult-marines-kits-on-the-way.html

 Wulfmar wrote:
Cool okay.

It's a shame if there's no Tzeentch/Slaanesh/Nurgle variant. Khone is the least exciting (from my point of view) and just screams 'possessed and bloodletters'.

I, and many others are likely getting rumours mixed up - such as sources like this one:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/csm-rumors-cult-marines-kits-on-the-way.html

BOLS has been peddling new Chaos rumors for months now. Remember the new plastic Chosen (or was it Havocs) before Crimson Slaughter came out?

Wulfmar, yes this site is posting stuff like that again and again with 2/3 and more times not being correct. It confuses and is also playing with people's hopes.

This thread helps to find older rumors and provides information how reliable the sites and/or sources turned out to be

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/448304.page

Sad Panda wrote:
No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

If so, then I continue to be content to leave the GW portion of my "unpainted" pile to rot for a while.

Interesting. Sad Panda is turning out to be quite reliable.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

No, that's the last thing Slaanesh needs.

Slaanesh is a God of Excess, not God Of Boobies.

There's plenty of scope for excess in all sorts of ways, plus all the other senses other than touch (because touch=sex=boobies)

Fluffwise, I agree with you. However, you need some sort of unique look for the demons. "Excessive muscles/stereotypical horned demons" is taken by Khorne. "Excessively obese/damaged/rotting" is taken by Nurgle. "Use ALL THE ANIMAL PARTS" is taken by Tzeench. There is not much to work with, if you say that excessive sexualization is a no-go. You could take inspiration from the demons in some non-european culture, but half of them a just slowed and the other half does not lend themselves well for the role or are too similar.

Besides, whatever GW may say in order to appease the sort of people who complain about a stray nipple in a setting where billions are driven mad, butchered, skinned, sacrificed or sumarilly executed, the chaos gods have their distinct themes. Agression, Dead&Decay, Insanity and yes, sexual excess, because those are the primarry triggers for acute fears or however the psychoanalysts here care do label it.

So yeah. For me, Slaanesh is essentially the God of Boobies and GW will have a hard time to change that.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Quality is bad - when will that change though?

I think it's become a street cred thing. Even if you can take good pictures, you know all the cool leakers are taking bad ones.

 Kosake wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

No, that's the last thing Slaanesh needs.

Slaanesh is a God of Excess, not God Of Boobies.

There's plenty of scope for excess in all sorts of ways, plus all the other senses other than touch (because touch=sex=boobies)

Fluffwise, I agree with you. However, you need some sort of unique look for the demons. "Excessive muscles/stereotypical horned demons" is taken by Khorne. "Excessively obese/damaged/rotting" is taken by Nurgle. "Use ALL THE ANIMAL PARTS" is taken by Tzeench. There is not much to work with, if you say that excessive sexualization is a no-go. You could take inspiration from the demons in some non-european culture, but half of them a just slowed and the other half does not lend themselves well for the role or are too similar.

Besides, whatever GW may say in order to appease the sort of people who complain about a stray nipple in a setting where billions are driven mad, butchered, skinned, sacrificed or sumarilly executed, the chaos gods have their distinct themes. Agression, Dead&Decay, Insanity and yes, sexual excess, because those are the primarry triggers for acute fears or however the psychoanalysts here care do label it.

So yeah. For me, Slaanesh is essentially the God of Boobies and GW will have a hard time to change that.

I'd much rather they used the likes of Cenobites from Hellraiser or basically anything that comes out of Guillermo Del Toro's head as design touchstones than baps everywhere, but I guess it's debatable if that's more or less controversial than nipples.

Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

 pretre wrote:
Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

Did he say when those models where going to drop? There has been speculation of possible model releases at a later date (sometime after Ad Mech).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

Did he say when those models where going to drop? There has been speculation of possible model releases at a later date (sometime after Ad Mech).

Nope, he said they were part of the Khorne release. I'd be more than happy to update it if they come out in the future.