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I will translate the two missing rules, gimme five minutes

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Can we get some translations on these from Ze Germans.

The 300 pts one has besides those rules Hatred enemy characters, also comes with two weapons, Axe of Khorne and Bloodflail (sp?), it has a S5 AP4 flamer with soulblaze (awesome rule) and his flail can be used as a range weapon as well 12" S7 AP2 assault 3, and in close combat is Str User Ap2, Nahkampf = Close combat and spezielle is special but dunno what the second word is

Looks like that last one is "specialist weapon".

Yah, probably specialist weapon, forgot that rule existed, haven't played 40k in a while, also the 300 one has adamantium will

Hrmm be interesting if they bring back the 8 person squads get X bonus again that'd be kicking awesome.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Can we get some translations on these from Ze Germans.

There isnt much to translate, not having my codex daemons at hand, seems the 200 pts one is just a BT, the 275 has the BIG axe of khorne which is Str D but has colossal rule which makes it I1, the special rules seems to be exactly the same as the current BT for these 2.

The 300 pts one has besides those rules Hatred enemy characters, also comes with two weapons, Axe of Khorne and Bloodflail (sp?), it has a S5 AP4 flamer with soulblaze (awesome rule) and his flail can be used as a range weapon as well 12" S7 AP2 assault 3, and in close combat is Str User Ap2, Nahkampf = Close combat and spezielle is special but dunno what the second word is

The weapon rules

Great Axe of Khorne (Grosse Axt des Khorne)

R- / Strength D / AP 2 / Melee, Colossal

Colossal: A model with this weapon piles in and attacks at Initiative step 1


Blood flail (Blutflegel) (2 profiles)

R 12" / S 7 / AP 2 / Assault D3
R- / S Bearer / AP 2 / Melee, Specialist Weapon (Like Lightning claws)


Hellfire (Höllenfeuer)

Template / S 5 / AP 4 / Assault 1, Soulblaze

Oh, W3 is D3, that's sad assault 3 S7 Ap2 seemed really nice, guess Assault 2 on average is good as well

Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

It's wouldn't be redundant as Monstrous Creatures ignore Unwieldly. This is Unwieldly but for MC's.

Blog for the Blood God has [poor quality] copies of the English rules:



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 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

No, it's a new rule. If it was Unwieldy they wouldn't need to define it as it's in the core rulebook, and is ignored by MCs anyways.

Seems MCs are getting their own special Unwieldy instead.

That's incredibly nasty to have that many attacks on the charge with a ST D weapon, with the addition that you can add Daemonic Gifts from the The Chaos Daemon Codex.

Woo. That's pretty intense.

They certainly made him a Close Combat Beast.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

It's wouldn't be redundant as Monstrous Creatures ignore Unwieldly. This is Unwieldly but for MC's.

Ah, of course.


I guess it's debatable whether adding a new rule or just making this an exception to the usual exemption for MCs is more straightforward.

the bloodthirster of insensate rage would make good use of the riftbringer and soul eater exalted rewards with that D weapon. He could also potentially get rampage from unholy frenzy for even more attacks.

 Azreal13 wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

It's wouldn't be redundant as Monstrous Creatures ignore Unwieldly. This is Unwieldly but for MC's.

Ah, of course.


I guess it's debatable whether adding a new rule or just making this an exception to the usual exemption for MCs is more straightforward.

Making it a weapon rule means they could give it out to walkers, Super-Heavies, MCs and GCs without needing to put excemptions into the rules for it. I dig the idea because they could use it to clean other things up (like Stomp perhaps).

Hollismason wrote:
That's incredibly nasty to have that many attacks on the charge with a ST D weapon, with the addition that you can add Daemonic Gifts from the The Chaos Daemon Codex.

Woo. That's pretty intense.

It's not a specialist weapon and all the gift weapons are, so getting a bonus attack is out.

Plus side, I guess you can still theoretically attack at initiative with a gift weapon. With rage on the first turn.

A thought occurred to me that would be fairly hilarious. As this is Dakka Dakka, I'm sure many will agree GW has a tendency for rules mistakes.

Now imagine if they forgot to demand that the Daemonkin have to be the Primary Detachment in order to receive their armywide special rule.

Take a Chaos Daemons summoning factory, already deemed broken by many. Ally the Daemonkin to them. Summon a ridicilous amount of units to beginwith. Some units die. Summon even more.

A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

Nope. Force Weapons have always been effective for fighting Daemons with (in the fluff at least) so them not having protection from it makes sense to me.

Oh ID is a real fear here there is no doubt

Possible to get Eternal Warrior from Gifts.

Not everyone is lucky enough to get plot-armor protection Eternal Warrior handed out like candy like the Space Marines.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Not everyone is lucky enough to get plot-armor protection Eternal Warrior handed out like candy like the Space Marines.

Not that many EC Marines, but it's true, not that many EC models running around these days.

Though Necrons have it as a Warlord trait which is probably funnier.

Hollismason wrote:
Possible to get Eternal Warrior from Gifts.

Which gift/reward would that be?

I could also see Riftbringer comboing well in a 2 component army, if it's possible to do. We'll see.

CAD Daemonkin, AD Daemons.

Put the BT in the AD with Riftbringer, maim stuff to summon Daemons. While stuff dies, the Daemonkin special rule summons even more ( even another BT. ) Now add a summoner or two to the AD for maximum incursion.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

New one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

Nope. Force Weapons have always been effective for fighting Daemons with (in the fluff at least) so them not having protection from it makes sense to me.

Not always, the past codex had all of them as eternal warriors, those times are long gone thou.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

Nope. Force Weapons have always been effective for fighting Daemons with (in the fluff at least) so them not having protection from it makes sense to me.

Not always, the past codex had all of them as eternal warriors, those times are long gone thou.

I did mention that it was primarily a fluff thing.

So is there any ultra cheap unit that is spam-able just to get killed to provide blood points when a player suicidally throws them at the opponent?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
So is there any ultra cheap unit that is spam-able just to get killed to provide blood points when a player suicidally throws them at the opponent?

Daemons and Nids. Isn't there a perpetually spawning spore mine formation?

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Requirments: 3 Mucolid Spore Clusters, 3 Spore Mine Clusters
Restrictions: None.
Special Rules:
Advance Wave: All units in this Formation have the Infiltrate special rule.
Sporefield: Each time a Mucolid Spore Cluster or Spore Mine Cluster from this Formation is completely destroyed, roll a D6: on a 4+ you can immediately place a new unit into Ongoing Reserve that is identical in terms of the original number of models, weapons and upgrades to the unit that was just destroyed. These new units count as being part of the original Formation, so roll a D6 as described above if they are subsequently destroyed. Victory points are awarded as normal for new units in this Formation that have been completely destroyed.
Source: Campaign: Shield of Baal: Leviathan
- See more at: http://bloodofkittens.com/formation-compendium/#sthash.1oKs6fKL.dpuf

Ha! That'd be excellent.

To early to speculate on how it works yet, we'll have to wait.

Hollismason wrote:
To early to speculate on how it works yet, we'll have to wait.

Well, we know whenever a unit dies, you get a point. Just take cheap units like spores.