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Kharn is not in the Codex. Him attacking friendlies could potentially cause the the blood points toll to increase way too quickly, when you take into account the formations and wargear + challenge kills giving them already, not to mention an army list tailored for getting them fast.

Next to that, he is the Betrayer. You can however ally him ofc.

And to those people thinking the strength D BT loses to a Knight - they are actually equally likely to maim eachother. The Knight only hits the BT on a 5, and the BT attacks simultaneously with the Knights stomps.

Losing to a Wraithknight? I wonder who did that math.

If Khorne gave Kharn a juggernaut, he'd slaughter it as an offering to Khorne...

Iuchiban, who has the Codex (shows a photo), is answering questions again on Warseer. This is quite a change

Originally Posted by WildWeasel
The rule preventing CD from joining non-CD is Daemonic Instability - it would be pretty major if the units here lack it.

All daemon units have Fearless, instead of Instability.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Originally Posted by 0604854
So can you confirm that daemonic characters can join non daemonic unis (and vice versa) and whether they benefit from locus and other such rules.

Yes to both.

Source: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?406739-Codex-Khorne-Daemonkin/page17

Warhams-77 wrote:
Iuchiban, who has the Codex (shows a photo), is answering questions again on Warseer. This is quite a change

Originally Posted by WildWeasel
The rule preventing CD from joining non-CD is Daemonic Instability - it would be pretty major if the units here lack it.

All daemon units have Fearless, instead of Instability.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Originally Posted by 0604854
So can you confirm that daemonic characters can join non daemonic unis (and vice versa) and whether they benefit from locus and other such rules.

Yes to both.

Source: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?406739-Codex-Khorne-Daemonkin/page17

He also mentioned that Bloodthirsters have access to no upgrades to rewards as apparently there aren't any, although apparently there are loci

Guess that explains why the new thristers have their rewards 'built in', and all other characters can buy artifacts and weapons. Rewards offer better gear, but are randomized.
At least it seems like you can just buy your herald of khorne armour now. Loci seems to work on CSM units as well, which is sorta cool. Hatred bikers is tempting.

This is shaping up to be a pretty crazy MSU army, if nothing else.

Pretty dumb I'll have to ally kharn into a khorne army.

Also pretty dumb that Mutilators aren't in the army. Has it been confirmed that the Blood Tithe also is paid by allied detachments?

 RunicFIN wrote:

Losing to a Wraithknight? I wonder who did that math.

I agree, as long as you just look at the fight between them and pretend they are not part of a battle.
But you have to consider a BT will be reduced to 1or max 2 wounds by the eldars superior fire power before he even get close to the WK. Heck, a single wave serpent could do the job.
If the BT is chasing a WK around, I would not bet on him even catching his prey before he is shot down.

Is there any point to getting the hard copy if all it is are a handful for special rules, formations and artifacts, if everything is just a handful of stuff straight from the csm and daemon codecs? because i'm debating just the digital.

Youd be better off sticking with allies and getting the csm dex and demon dex. This is a waste of time and money

Aww.. I love it when people post prejudiced opinions on products that haven't even hit the shelves yet!!

Let's wait for more leakage and more details before we jump to conclusions hmm?

Have you met the internet?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Have you met the internet?

Yes, and it is stupid.

drbored wrote:
Even for GW that would be silly. Having to juggle three books to play one army would be ridiculous.

I'd like to point you to Codex: Eye of Terror and the Lost and the Damned army.

 Platuan4th wrote:

drbored wrote:
Even for GW that would be silly. Having to juggle three books to play one army would be ridiculous.

I'd like to point you to Codex: Eye of Terror and the Lost and the Damned army.

To be fair, everyone juggled a lot of books back then.

Yeah you're all right, the superior fire power of the eldar could kill a BT before it got into combat with a WK. Good thing for me I only brought one BT and filled the rest of my points with foot slogging marines with no upgrades....

I mean why would I also take hounds, bikes, grinders, drakes, princes, another BT, or other fast moving threats to help in getting across the table!?

I'm wondering if the profiles/point costs for each unit are the same from their respective books.

Lowering the base cost of berzerkers etc could make them a more competitive choice along with this blood toll point system.

I'm still curious as to the exact mechanics, also the Chaos Lord or a Daemon Prince w/ that Sword that's AP3 but each wound gains a Blood Point is amaze.

The question is going to be how it actually works.

The Formations don't seem to have that great of a bonus for taking them and are kind of "Meh".

This book isn't for the power gamers it is for people like me who play a pure Khorne army to begin with. I still manage to win about 1/2 my games.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Have you met the internet?

Honestly the Decurion Style Blood Host looks excellent, except for the terrible Possessed which is a terrible Tax ugh.

Detachments
There is Detachment similar to the Decurion: The Blood host
Mandatory: Slaughter cult (1 HQ, 2-8 Bezerkers, Bloodletters or Chaos Space Marines in any combination), 1-4 Possessed, 0-2 Spawn units, 0-2 Cultits

Benefits: Reroll Warlord trait and generates 1 Blood point every turn. When spending blood points you can for free get another bonus with less value than the first one.


Then optional:
Lord of Slaughter: 1 BT

Brazen Onslaught: 1-4 units of Termis, 2-4 units of Bloodcrushers (+1A in CaC if opponent has more models in that combat)

Khorne Bloodstorm: 2-4 units of Raptors, 1-4 units of Warp Talons, 0-1 Helldrake (+1S of HoW attacks)

Gorepack: 2-4 Chaos Bikers, 1-4 Fleshhounds (Fleshhouds get HoW, and Bikers reroll to wound their HoW attacks

Charnel Cohort: 1 HQ (not a BT), 2-8 Bloodletters, 1-4 Fleshhounds, 1-4 Bloodcrushers, 0-4 Skull Cannon (Fear tests with -2LD, if HQ is in reserves may reroll to enter the battle. Other units do not scatter if enter reserves at 6" of the HQ


It's a fantastic MSU list.

Hollismason wrote:
I'm still curious as to the exact mechanics, also the Chaos Lord or a Daemon Prince w/ that Sword that's AP3 but each wound gains a Blood Point is amaze.

The question is going to be how it actually works.

The Formations don't seem to have that great of a bonus for taking them and are kind of "Meh".

Where are you even seeing these formations?

What I just listed.

Blood Host
HQ : Daemon Prince CC Beast w/ Blood Sword or CC Oriented Biker Chaos Lord
1 Unit of Possessed GROSS
5 Blood Letters
5 Blood Letters
1 Spawn Unit
1 Spawn Unit
Brazen Onslaught
3 Terminators w/ Combimelta
3 Terminators w/ Combi Melta
3 Terminaotrs w/ Combi Melta
3 Terminators w/ Combi Melta
2 Min Blood Crushers
2 Min Blood Crushers
Charnel Cohort
1 HQ , Daemon Prince or CC Chaos Lord on Bike < Not sure if this guy lets all friendly units not Scatter or What?
1 5 Man Blood Letter
1 5 Man Blood Letter
4 Skull Cannons


It really is a amazing MSU army.

That gore pack looks awesome

Something they could have done that would have been of a great help, even greater than anything else i think is to put on the Blood tith chart and option that would cost like 2 or 3 blood points and allow the whole thing to be able to move+run+charge in the same turn.

Now we also only knows 5 of the 9 rumored formations, so lets wait and see, even if i don't think any of those would be great.

It's probably just units similar to the Decurion. It's a actually pretty competitive army if it's similar to the Decurion and you can take Multiples of stuff.

I mean seriously

Gorepack: 2-4 Chaos Bikers, 1-4 Fleshhounds (Fleshhouds get HoW, and Bikers reroll to wound their HoW attacks)

Is amazing.

Can you say

Gore Pack 368 Points
3 X 3 2 Melta gun Bikes Squads 1 Flesh Hound

Yeah I'm quite certain that the Decurion is going to be the new codex format, or something similar to it. They're going to try and push the alternative formations, to the point of excluding all mention of a normal CAD in the Necron codex

That Gore Pack Formation is really really good. Yeah I'll pay 384 Points for 12 Bikers that I can give FNP to with 3 Points and they have 8 Melta Guns.

Can I ask why I see so many lords on bikes and so few lords on juggernauts? they seem cool and good?

Games Workshop : Makes a book about Khorne, leaves out the one guy you should have in the book Kharn

Seriously that's just pants on head.