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I'm assuming that like the majority of retailers the strike seriously affected their stuff from China. Which is where the books are printed. Although my local store has them. Maybe they just sent them out to their retailers first this time?

NamelessBard wrote:

I don't think you understand how it works.

I do, but what unfortunately does not work is:

Renegades & Heretics CAD

War Engine
Forgefiend

War Engine
Forgefiend

War Engine
Forgefiend

It all depends on if "War Engine" it's own dataslate, or just a choice on the Slaughtercult list ?

thraxdown wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
So if I'm reading the rumors right, the daemon units don't have access to rewards or any upgrades? That's a real shame. Also, are Bloodletters now 5 models for the starting unit size instead of 10? What is the max unit size?

The guy with the codex said all of the units are the same so I imagine bloodletters can be anywhere between 10 and 20 just like chaos daemons book. a shame if you ask me, at the very least you should be able to take them in units of 8

Given that they're about as resilient as Guardsmen, fielding a unit of 8 bloodletters serves little to no real purpose beyond hemmoraging kill points. Bloodletters in groups of 20 are decent, if you pair them with enough fast threats, but 8 can be made tactically nonviable in a single round of small arms fire from an otherwise harmless scoring unit.

 adamsouza wrote:
It all depends on if "War Engine" it's own dataslate, or just a choice on the Slaughtercult list ?

Just a choice. Like Flayed Ones or Deathmarks on the Decurion.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
It all depends on if "War Engine" it's own dataslate, or just a choice on the Slaughtercult list ?

Just a choice. Like Flayed Ones or Deathmarks on the Decurion.

Oh, then yeah, no spamming it outside of a Slaughtercult.

Been a while since a did I review/overview of a book. So if anyone is interested, here you go: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2015/03/new-release-codex-khorne-daemonkin.html

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm assuming that like the majority of retailers the strike seriously affected their stuff from China. Which is where the books are printed. Although my local store has them. Maybe they just sent them out to their retailers first this time?

I think the strike itself might be dying down at this point, so shipping times are getting slowly back to normal.

Can someone explain the Decurion esque formation system? I have heard it explained as a formation of formations, but that confuses me.

You can think of it as a normal Battleforged list, but the Formations (Auxillary choices) that are listed also benefit from the Command Benefits of the Core Detachment. Makes it so you don't have to pick and choose either the benefit of a Formation or the benefit of a Detachment like other codecies, you get both by following the guideline.

Did we ever get confirmation that Maulerfiends are in fact Daemons of Khorne now or have the Blood Tithe rule?

Hollismason wrote:
Did we ever get confirmation that Maulerfiends are in fact Daemons of Khorne now or have the Blood Tithe rule?

Looking at it right now they are both a Daemon of Khorne and Have Blood for the Blood God rule so part of Blood Tithe!

God I hate these decurion and formations shenanigans. Sucks out all the originality and fun in building a list.

It does no such thing. I wish they had decided to do this one codex beforehand with Blood Angels. I really like Formations in general but can't take any (worth anything) or else I lose my Initiative 5 bonus. If it were this style then I wouldn't have that issue. Initiative 5 is a HUGE thing for the Angels and its not even worth the 400pts of free gear if they are just normal friggin Marines because of it.

 streetsamurai wrote:
God I hate these decurion and formations shenanigans. Sucks out all the originality and fun in building a list.

Then don't use them? You can still make a normal list y'know. These formations are the very definition of "optional".

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm assuming that like the majority of retailers the strike seriously affected their stuff from China. Which is where the books are printed. Although my local store has them. Maybe they just sent them out to their retailers first this time?

Chinese New Year also slows everything down, since most places shut down for roughly two weeks (form what I've seen from my various kickstarter efforts). Who knows how well GW planned for that with the new production schedule.

Maulerfiends getting 5 Attacks on the charge plus you can put them near a Loci that gives them Hatred by using the BLood Throne is pretty sweet.

The good lads at /tg/ have just found an amusing interaction between the Tithe and the Axe of Ruin.

The Axe triggers when the bearer is removed as a casualty. The 7-Point Tithe kills the character and replaces them with a Daemon Prince, bearing the same Artefacts. Combining the 2 means that if your Lord ascends into a Prince, you spawn a free Bloodthirster and at the same time, get a Prince. Even better, when the Prince dies, you get a *second* Bloodthirster because he is still carrying the Axe!
Getting 2 Bloodthirsters is a much easier pill to swallow for the price, even if they do come in late and melt slightly. But as it stands this is a delightful trick worthy of Tzeentch himself.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

thraxdown wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
So if I'm reading the rumors right, the daemon units don't have access to rewards or any upgrades? That's a real shame. Also, are Bloodletters now 5 models for the starting unit size instead of 10? What is the max unit size?

The guy with the codex said all of the units are the same so I imagine bloodletters can be anywhere between 10 and 20 just like chaos daemons book. a shame if you ask me, at the very least you should be able to take them in units of 8

Given that they're about as resilient as Guardsmen, fielding a unit of 8 bloodletters serves little to no real purpose beyond hemmoraging kill points. Bloodletters in groups of 20 are decent, if you pair them with enough fast threats, but 8 can be made tactically nonviable in a single round of small arms fire from an otherwise harmless scoring unit.

Actually, its changed so Blood Letters can indeed be taken 8 as a minimum, this is awesome both by fluff and tactics, IMO. Letters are only decent if they are many and get the assault bonus, and by then they cost to much for what they might be able to do. Deep strike objective harassment and quad gunners do just fine with 8.
Also Ive been planning 8 men units since the rumor got verified. Very glad I dnt have to take 16 letters to ad up.

A shame that Feel No Pain doesn't work for vehicles as I've grown more interested in going for the 4 Blood Points and choose Feel No Pain as the second reward.

I'll also be looking more into Power Armour units as the Feel No Pain will give a Chaos Space Marine a 88,89 % chance of surviving a AP4-or-worse shot - compare that to the base chance of 83,33 % of 2+ armour.

Does the Daemon of Khorne rule contain fearless, or is fearless replaced Daemonic instability?

Fearless replaced.

Just got my Skulltaker limited edition. Only thing is that I cancelled it last week (and have the confirmation email from GW) once the leaks about what was in it started to appear.

Nothing on my credit card yet. Wonder if I ought to contact GW and see what they want to do about it? Anyone know if they usually want it sending back in these circumstances? Do they provide return postage labels?

There's a clause either under the sale of goods or distance selling regs which means that you are obliged to tell them you have received it (which they can no doubt confirm for themselves via tracking details or similar) but as they essentially sent you something you had expressly informed them you no longer desired, I'd class it as "unsolicited goods" which essentially means that the responsibility for retrieving it lies solely with GW, and if they fail to do so then you are entitled to retain it.

ChaosDog wrote:
Just got my Skulltaker limited edition. Only thing is that I cancelled it last week (and have the confirmation email from GW) once the leaks about what was in it started to appear.

Nothing on my credit card yet. Wonder if I ought to contact GW and see what they want to do about it? Anyone know if they usually want it sending back in these circumstances? Do they provide return postage labels?

When I had ordered my Thanquol End times off the web, it took two weeks for that to show up on my bank statement. I wasn't happy about that. (Normally, I just order using the local order point, and it clears within 2 days, and pay in the store). I don't know how much of that had to do with the website crashing that day....

I am working out a list using the Blood Host Detachement. It is my first time using a Decurion style detachment
and it is proving to be a challenge.

One question I have is if I am using two Blood Host detachments, does that mean each turn I would generate two (2)
Blood Tithe points? (1 per detachment)

I knew that Kharn had been removed but I also noticed that Karanak was gone as well. There are no Predator tanks either.
No complaints, just observations.

Also, since the Blood Host detachment can only be made up of the formations listed (Slaughtercult, Gorepack, etc), does that mean
the only way to have a Land Raider in the Blood Host is to use the Brazen Onslaught formation and take the LR as a dedicated
transport for the terminators?

Thanks,
Tom

My buddy picked up his copy of the codex yesterday, and he loved it soo much he's trading it to me for a spare Eldar codex I had.

 adamsouza wrote:
My buddy picked up his copy of the codex yesterday, and he loved it soo much he's trading it to me for a spare Eldar codex I had.

He'll be really happy about that in two weeks...