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The only good thing in all this is the nerf to wave serpents.

Spoletta wrote:
The only good thing in all this is the nerf to wave serpents.

Is there a nerf to Serpents? The only thing I've read is losing laser lock, which is hardly a nerf considering what makes the serpent so powerful currently.

 Capamaru wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
The abundance of D weapons is actually more likely to attract hordes as hordes basically don't care if it's s6 or S: D. Whereas there's no use in bringing an expensive superheavy if it's gona get erazed in one turn.

Which they will be swiftly and efficiently dealt by mass scatter laser shots! Eldars will have access to the best solution for every problem you can throw at them.

Like they used to have in 6-th, basically. Nothing new. Just getting worse, recieving more hate and homeruled, that's it.

Losing laser lock is a serious hit to WS firepower.

You know, the message of the D is to set the artist free...

This codex is a cosmic shame.

Spoletta wrote:
Losing laser lock is a serious hit to WS firepower.

Its a minor hit to WS firepower.

The scatter laser was already TL, and the shield still has the random shots to deal with, meaning in a game it could have wildly different firepower anyways turn by turn, and the range coupled with ignores cover, its status as an ObSec transport available to most infantry not occupying a slot is what makes the serpent so powerful.

Losing laser lock hurts a little, but the serpent is still incredibly strong assuming nothing else changed.

Spoletta wrote:
The only good thing in all this is the nerf to wave serpents.

So when the Eldar players scrap their 6-8 Wave Serpents and have points left over to spam out new improved Wraithknights with even longer ranged D weapons we can be thankful for that, right?

From what I see one of the 'core' blocks you can take for the mandatory is lol 3 units of bikes, a Vyper squadron, Farseer and Warlocks on bikes. Really going to be a problem considering the bike-spam armies that existed before Serpent Spam.

Wait, no.

 Blacksails wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Losing laser lock is a serious hit to WS firepower.

Its a minor hit to WS firepower.

The scatter laser was already TL, and the shield still has the random shots to deal with, meaning in a game it could have wildly different firepower anyways turn by turn, and the range coupled with ignores cover, its status as an ObSec transport available to most infantry not occupying a slot is what makes the serpent so powerful.

Losing laser lock hurts a little, but the serpent is still incredibly strong assuming nothing else changed.

Really laser lock was more or less to make the serpent a "lol im anti air" weapons platform by twinlinking that s7 ignores cover shield.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
The only good thing in all this is the nerf to wave serpents.

So when the Eldar players scrap their 6-8 Wave Serpents and have points left over to spam out new improved Wraithknights with even longer ranged D weapons we can be thankful for that, right?

From what I see one of the 'core' blocks you can take for the mandatory is lol 3 units of bikes, a Vyper squadron, Farseer and Warlocks on bikes. Really going to be a problem considering the bike-spam armies that existed before Serpent Spam.

Wait, no.

Don't worry, if it is all then true they will not spam WK, they would suck in a heavy ranged D meta.

Spoletta wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
The only good thing in all this is the nerf to wave serpents.

So when the Eldar players scrap their 6-8 Wave Serpents and have points left over to spam out new improved Wraithknights with even longer ranged D weapons we can be thankful for that, right?

From what I see one of the 'core' blocks you can take for the mandatory is lol 3 units of bikes, a Vyper squadron, Farseer and Warlocks on bikes. Really going to be a problem considering the bike-spam armies that existed before Serpent Spam.

Wait, no.

Don't worry, if it is all then true they will not spam WK, they would suck in a heavy ranged D meta.

Only against other Eldar players.

At this point i think the only thing that'll save the codex is an army special rule : "Eldar are dying so only get to use half the points of their opponent"

They're gona save the day faq-ing scatter lasers to actually have scatter locks.
"...we sometimes make mistakes..."

Nocturnus wrote:
Suddenly, Wave Serpents don't look so bad...

Cheese Serpents are still Cheese Serpents unless anything else has changed - the laser lock is a very minor adjustment to a hugely OP unit.

Lets hope they have fixed that with the shield range now at 6" and actually done something to help units like Banshees rather than Bikes which needed nothing really?

For all we know illic nightspear can one shot a baneblade let alone a landraider .

And besides loosing laserlock we know nothing about any nerf on the serpent. The core of min guardian units in serpents with 3 units of jet bikes will be extremely efficient even before you add anything from the support units.

What's laserlock do? I'm not familiar with it being Dark Angels/Dark Eldar/Necrons

I've always wanted to collect an Eldar jetbike army, but was waiting for the new jet bikes. Now I can do it and be labelled a massive cheese cake too!

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What's laserlock do? I'm not familiar with it being Dark Angels/Dark Eldar/Necrons

If scatter laser hits then all other shots from the other weapons became twin linked.

I can't say I am impressed with the models they just look like nothing new same basic stance for the guy with wings and bikes look OK but just not enough of a redesign or tweek. The farseer looks about the best and even that just seems a bit meh.

I am hoping for wraithblades to get a little boost maybe an extra wound or some special rule like rage or its likes.

I admit not an eldar player play dark eldar with a small amount of harlequins but always wanted to add wraithblades just needed them to have a few more attacks a squad

Well, 7th was fun while it lasted.


bye everyone!

Caederes wrote:7) Warlocks can only take Sanctic Daemonology and Runes of Battle. This might indicate that Eldar have a similar rule to Grey Knights where they can safely use Sanctic Daemonology but can never use Malefic Daemonology.

Bikes with a Warlock:
1. Move 12"
2. Gate to anywhere
3. Shoot something or turbo-boost 36"
4. Assault move 2d6"

koooaei wrote:We're slowly moving to S: D lasguns to ballance things out.

A fair destiny for the true heroes of the Imperium! Wait, if eveything had S: D, noone would be a hero...

Oh man, Supporting Fire with S: D Fire Warriors and markerlights... hmmm

Spoletta wrote:Putting D-Weapons on WGuards and D-Cannons will have the opposite effect. Super Heavies would become obsolete. Actually any non flying MC and vehicle would (yes even WKs).

Come to think of it, WSs won't even shoot their shields anymore. They'll want to keep it so they'll survive and unload their S: D cargo. Nerfing the shield firepower won't even matter!

koooaei wrote:They're gona save the day faq-ing scatter lasers to actually have scatter locks.
"...we sometimes make mistakes..."

I find it pretty hilarious that (assuming no changes) Wave Serpent spam will now die out but not due to balancing but rather due to the fact that Eldar now have access to so obscenely OP units that even the Wave Serpent becomes a "worse" point investment when compared to the bikes!

Maybe this codex was written with the 8th edition rules in mind, and once they release it will be balanced.

…I can’t believe I wrote that, even as a sarcastic joke. But I’m having flashbacks to some of the last codex of the edition balance discussions, where units that didn’t make a whole lot of sense in the last edition became more balanced under the new.

 Nevelon wrote:
Maybe this codex was written with the 8th edition rules in mind, and once they release it will be balanced.

…I can’t believe I wrote that, even as a sarcastic joke. But I’m having flashbacks to some of the last codex of the edition balance discussions, where units that didn’t make a whole lot of sense in the last edition became more balanced under the new.

Was there anything that seemed this strong that was toned down in a new edition? I mean what could they really do to tone it down?

To be honest everyone should unite and boycott this release then we might get a rules change

But hey, whatever floats a power gamers boat, they'll probably support GW no matter what so long as they can win

Suddenly, a Deathstrike Launcher seems like an acceptable investment for my Guard...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Suddenly, a Deathstrike Launcher seems like an acceptable investment for my Guard...

It will die long before it fires, mate. :(

Caederes wrote:7) Warlocks can only take Sanctic Daemonology and Runes of Battle. This might indicate that Eldar have a similar rule to Grey Knights where they can safely use Sanctic Daemonology but can never use Malefic Daemonology.

Unlikely. The Harlequin Shadowseer also had access to Sanctic Daemonology, without anything to avoid the added risk of perils. And the leaked Warlock in the Windrider datasheet didn't have any rule that might do something like that.

 Frozocrone wrote:
To be honest everyone should unite and boycott this release then we might get a rules change

But hey, whatever floats a power gamers boat, they'll probably support GW no matter what so long as they can win

The power gamer's boat will be full of jetbike purchases that will please GW.

 Zewrath wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Suddenly, a Deathstrike Launcher seems like an acceptable investment for my Guard...

It will die long before it fires, mate. :(

You'd think that, but the only time I get good rolls seems to be when I've playtested a Deathstrike.

 Wilson wrote:
Well, 7th was fun while it lasted.


bye everyone!

Same here, cancelling skittarii order and switching to 30k permanently.