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No. 7+ is ML3

Ok. It used to be that if you took a council of say 4 warlocks, you could then split these 4 warlocks off into 4 other units.

I've seen the rules for the bikes and it now allows you to just add a warlock skyrunner when purchasing the unit and that Warlock has a ML1.

2 Questions. Here's my first. When you purchase a conclave, are the warlocks now stuck to the conclave? No splitting them off? Second question, If the answer to question one is that the warlocks are not allowed to split off, Do the guardians and other units have the option to add warlocks?

Thanks.

Yes and yes.

Is there any other restrictions to the seer council formation, other than the fact that you have to take atleast 5 warlocks?

Mymearan wrote:
Yes and yes.

Ok Thanks.

wighti wrote:
Is there any other restrictions to the seer council formation, other than the fact that you have to take atleast 5 warlocks?

The Farseers must join the Conclave and cannot leave the unit. If you upgrade one of the models to have a Jetbike, all of them must be upgraded.

Looks darn right awsome!

For anyone that has or has seen the coded, what is the upgrade cost on starshot missiles for dark reapers? Those guys seem purpose built to kill enemy wraithknights and jetbikes. Take them in the rumored aspect host for BS 5 and forget about it.

 buddha wrote:
For anyone that has or has seen the coded, what is the upgrade cost on starshot missiles for dark reapers? Those guys seem purpose built to kill enemy wraithknights and jetbikes. Take them in the rumored aspect host for BS 5 and forget about it.

It's still the same cost, although Exarchs no longer pay an increased cost over regular Reapers. The Reapers themselves are 5 points cheaper each though, so that's a decent cost reduction.

 buddha wrote:
For anyone that has or has seen the coded, what is the upgrade cost on starshot missiles for dark reapers? Those guys seem purpose built to kill enemy wraithknights and jetbikes. Take them in the rumored aspect host for BS 5 and forget about it.

A unit of 5, with an Exarch & Starshot missiles for the unit, is a quarter shy of 200 points.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 D4X wrote:

Gained the flyer attacks

Does it ignore cover?

Nope, so you can make them jink. Thing is its each hawk makes the attack, 5 pass over you get 5 haywire shots that hit on 4+

Is the attack a shooting attack or a special rule? If its a special rule then the Flyer will not be able to jink.

The Swooping Hawk's Interceptor is an attack, not a shooting attack.

Just had a warm fuzzy feeling enjoying the irony of all those future tabletop battles where 30+ Eldar Jetbikes and WraithKnights face off against 30+ Eldar Jetbikes and WraithKnights.

Eldar the tragic dying race, being wiped out at a faster rate by Eldar, than any other threat.

 adamsouza wrote:
Just had a warm fuzzy feeling enjoying the irony of all those future tabletop battles where 30+ Eldar Jetbikes and WraithKnights face off against 30+ Eldar Jetbikes and WraithKnights.

Eldar the tragic dying race, being wiped out at a faster rate by Eldar, than any other threat.

"Farseer Bikebutt has foretold [30 minutes of nothing]."

"Yeah well, Farseer Disbest has foretold that [30 minutes of nothing], should be this."

Fight breaks out, Tzeentch laughs.

double post

 N.I.B. wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Or, it just dawned on me, they are actually going to return to treating the Eldar the way they should be - the dying elder race, at the twilight of their existence. Strange, powerful, but failing.

Correct, their armies always field 250 points less than the opposing army (unless also Eldar) on the table. Special Rule 'Dying Race'. I don't think I've seen this one leaked yet.

Did you just make that up or is it actually in the codex?

Made up. Only buffs and price cuts other than the Serpent Shield and loss of Laser Lock.

 krodarklorr wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Welp, it's confirmed. Scatterbikes for the win. http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643714870.jpg

Yes, let Eldar players waste their points on bringing Scat riders galore.

As GW are known for writing sloppy rules I have to wonder if any windrider might be intended to mean any one windrider rather than every windrider.
The new studio windrider models that GW have made up carry one heavy weapon per squad, which indirectly supports this.
One per squad rather than one per three would be a nerf but it better than the cheesefest.

The cynic in me has to keep in mind that the 'mistake' of not specifying any one windrider might be rectified after they have sold enough of the new models.

That's obviously made up. It wouldn't even make sense; there are still billions upon billions more Eldar than there are marines of any Space Marine chapter.

 Orlanth wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Welp, it's confirmed. Scatterbikes for the win. http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643714870.jpg

Yes, let Eldar players waste their points on bringing Scat riders galore.

As GW are known for writing sloppy rules I have to wonder if any windrider might be intended to mean any one windrider rather than every windrider.
The new studio windrider models that GW have made up carry one heavy weapon per squad, which indirectly supports this.
One per squad rather than one per three would be a nerf but it better than the cheesefest.

The cynic in me has to keep in mind that the 'mistake' of not specifying any one windrider might be rectified after they have sold enough of the new models.

Each new bike sprue has the bits to equip every model with either cannon or scatterlasers. I don't buy that...

 adamsouza wrote:
Just had a warm fuzzy feeling enjoying the irony of all those future tabletop battles where 30+ Eldar Jetbikes and WraithKnights face off against 30+ Eldar Jetbikes and WraithKnights.

Eldar the tragic dying race, being wiped out at a faster rate by Eldar, than any other threat.

I play Eldar and I will take some Jetbikes and will run the occasional WraithKnight. I've got no problem with my opponent doing the same. But I wont spam them and I'll decline to play anyone who does try it. Same goes for Decurion Bike/Wraith spam and any other list which leads to a pointless and boring game. I don't see the fun in playing with or playing against an auto win list.

Surely these list will only appear in the tournament scene, which in my mind is a joke these days anyways. Instead of winner they should be called the person that came up with the most broken rule abusing un fun list. Congrats on that achievement.

 whembly wrote:

Each new bike sprue has the bits to equip every model with either cannon or scatterlasers. I don't buy that...

That explains the source of the brainfart. GW made the reasonable move of making a one size fits all jetbike sprue, and then some genius in studio thought, why not let players take any combination.

It wouldn't be the first time a oner off upgrade was included multiple times for simplicity, most Fantasy command upgrades for example, many boxsets include multiple muscian and standard bearer arms, on e per sprue, even if you don't require remotely that many. You can outfit Silver Helms with musician and standard per four models, while the minimum unit size is five, it makes sense you have that many as it means one set of sprues fits all the options, Jetbikes could be similar, possibly were intended to be.

I am trying to get my head around why GW would want such a blatantly broken unit, and then model up most jetbikes with twin catapults as if they were a viable alternative to massed scatterbikes.
What is next, allow marines to have as many heavy weapons as they like per squad?

 Orlanth wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Each new bike sprue has the bits to equip every model with either cannon or scatterlasers. I don't buy that...

That explains the source of the brainfart. GW made the reasonable move of making a one size fits all jetbike sprue, and then some genius in studio thought, why not let players take any combination.

It wouldn't be the first time a oner off upgrade was included multiple times for simplicity, most Fantasy command upgrades for example, many boxsets include multiple muscian and standard bearer arms, on e per sprue, even if you don't require remotely that many. You can outfit Silver Helms with musician and standard per four models, while the minimum unit size is five, it makes sense you have that many as it means one set of sprues fits all the options, Jetbikes could be similar, possibly were intended to be.

I am trying to get my head around why GW would want such a blatantly broken unit, and then model up most jetbikes with twin catapults as if they were a viable alternative to massed scatterbikes.
What is next, allow marines to have as many heavy weapons as they like per squad?

Because it is a super viable combo, especially with the formation rule and shred once per game.

Ive been thinking on this a lot, and i actually think that mass scatter (even at 4 shots) is sub optimal for the unit when shred and bladestorm are taken into context. You have to take vipers, and warlocks, and a farseer. spears for anti tank are amazing. vipers for anti tank are great (emls ona 6 viper squad, with cannons, skyfire, tank hunting and infantry destruction) leave the jetbikes to mass bladestorm whatever they can....

So for just a quick reference here's the total possible movement in a turn for Aspect Warriors in the War Host Aspect Formation.

Banshees = Total Move 15"
Fire Dragons - 12"
Swooping Hawks - 24"
Dark Reapers = 6"
Warp Spiders - 36 "

Warp Spiders Move 6" + 2D6 , + 6" Run , Plus 2D6" Assault move. O_O

Warp Spiders are basically 6 + 2d6" + 6. You can only use the warp spider pack one way. So it's eaither 2d6+6 movement and 6 run or 6 movement, 6 run, and 2d6 assault move. So ti's max 24, similar to the hawks.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Warp Spiders are basically 6 + 2d6" + 6. You can only use the warp spider pack one way. So it's eaither 2d6+6 movement and 6 run or 6 movement, 6 run, and 2d6 assault move. So ti's max 24, similar to the hawks.

no.... your forgetting the thrust move for being jet pack infantry..... 6+2d6 in movement, 6 inches from battle focus, +2d6 thrust move in the assault phase.

No, I'm not. Read the rules. It chooses to either act as jet pack infantry OR can make that 6 + 2d6 jump move.

Same movement speed, what's your doing is the more important closing you'll use it for the warp jump move to get shots. Once engaged you'll normally use it as jetpack infantry to keep the range open.

 Orlanth wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Welp, it's confirmed. Scatterbikes for the win. http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643714870.jpg

Yes, let Eldar players waste their points on bringing Scat riders galore.

As GW are known for writing sloppy rules I have to wonder if any windrider might be intended to mean any one windrider rather than every windrider.
The new studio windrider models that GW have made up carry one heavy weapon per squad, which indirectly supports this.

Each bike sprue actually has all three weapon options unfortunately

 warboss wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Or, it just dawned on me, they are actually going to return to treating the Eldar the way they should be - the dying elder race, at the twilight of their existence. Strange, powerful, but failing.

Correct, their armies always field 250 points less than the opposing army (unless also Eldar) on the table. Special Rule 'Dying Race'. I don't think I've seen this one leaked yet.

Did you just make that up or is it actually in the codex?

if only it were true.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Warp Spiders are basically 6 + 2d6" + 6. You can only use the warp spider pack one way. So it's eaither 2d6+6 movement and 6 run or 6 movement, 6 run, and 2d6 assault move. So ti's max 24, similar to the hawks.

Nope this is incorrect.

Here is the exact wording:

Warp Jump Generator

A model equipped with a Warp Jump Generator gains the Jet Pack Unit type as described in the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules . In the Movement Phase , a unit composed entirely of models equipped with a Warp jump generator can choose to either move as a Jet Pack Infantry or make a Warp Jump. If Making a Warp Jump , it immediately moves....

It's only in the movement phase do you not move as a Jet Pack infantry, you do not lose the Jet pack infantry type for the entire turn.

The rules state clearly

THRUST MOVE
A Jet Pack unit that is not locked in combat or charging can move up to 2D6" in the Assault phase, even if they have shot or Run in the preceding Shooting phase or arrived by Deep Strike that turn. When Jet Pack units move in the Assault phase and do not charge, they move just as they would when using their jet packs in the Movement phase.

Boom, Warp Spiders can move 2D6 + 6 , followed by a auto 6" run, followed by a 2D6 Thrust move in the Assault Phase.

Warp Spiders in the War Host move 4D6 + 12.

 Hulksmash wrote:
No, I'm not. Read the rules. It chooses to either act as jet pack infantry OR can make that 6 + 2d6 jump move.

Same movement speed, what's your doing is the more important closing you'll use it for the warp jump move to get shots. Once engaged you'll normally use it as jetpack infantry to keep the range open.

EDIT: Hollismason beat me to it

It states in the movement phase, they can move as jetpack infantry, or make a warp jump.

It does not say they loose jetpack infantry status for doing so.

A jetpack infantry model not engaged in combat can move 2d6 in the assault phase.

THE ONLY stipulation stated in the warpsider entry for not being able to use it, is if they are falling back.

same basically as 6th, and I have never seen anyone bar you argue against the fact they do not get a thrust move because they chose to move differently in the movement phase. thus, 36 inches movement a turn. just like last edition. the difference? IF you move them in your opponents turn, it becomes 6 movement, plus 6 battle focus, plus 2d6 thrust move via jetpack rules.