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A baker had to tell someone that they wouldn't make their cake because putting 2 little dudes, or 2 little women, on top of the cake offended them so deeply that they were willing to offend the previously happy couple, and lose buissiness over it.

A photographer can cancel and say they can't make it, without bringing up their reasoning.

There is a difference between refusing service with tact, and refusing service and expressing an opionin that hurts the customer while doing it.

 adamsouza wrote:
There is a difference between refusing service with tact, and refusing service and expressing an opionin that hurts the customer while doing it.

Totally agree. As David Brooks wrote, this is a matter of manners. You know what else is bad manners -- tracking down people who you know will be uncomfortable doing something and then using the government to force them to do it and using social media to destroy their business and make them the targets of threats and harassment.

Besides it being rude, petty, and immoral, there's also Ilya Shapiro's question:

Doesn’t that strike you as reactionary and illiberal?

Dayum!

That pizza joint gofundme is over a half a million!

http://www.gofundme.com/MemoriesPizza

Looks like the thought-police mob's attempt to destroy this person/business has backfired.


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 Manchu wrote:

Besides it being rude, petty, and immoral, there's also Ilya Shapiro's question:

Doesn’t that strike you as reactionary and illiberal?

It does to me.

I don't think that ridiculing people for being an donkey-cave for the point of being an donkey-cave is really "though police".

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I don't think that ridiculing people for being an donkey-cave for the point of being an donkey-cave is really "though police".

traceable death threats are however, which is what the pizza joint has been receiving. How very Klan like.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I don't think that ridiculing people for being an donkey-cave for the point of being an donkey-cave is really "though police".

traceable death threats are however, which is what the pizza joint has been receiving. How very Klan like.

That's people being donkey-caves back. It always surprises me how many donkey-caves there are in the world.



I should start a pizza place in Indiana, seems like a nice way to make a quick buck...

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That's people being donkey-caves back.

That's just effed up.

I agree.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I don't think that ridiculing people for being an donkey-cave for the point of being an donkey-cave is really "though police".

traceable death threats are however, which is what the pizza joint has been receiving. How very Klan like.

That's people being donkey-caves back. It always surprises me how many donkey-caves there are in the world.



I should start a pizza place in Indiana, seems like a nice way to make a quick buck...

Having a one dimensional opinion.. ok it can be pretty gakky

Destroying a family's entire lively hood....thats going beyond gakky. its pretty fethin "though police" when people will destroy you for having an opinion.

How exactly did they destroy there way of living? It's not like they went and stole all their money.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
How exactly did they destroy there way of living? It's not like they went and stole all their money.

You ever try to start a busness?
You ever been blacklisted?

Its pretty damning for them to have to deal with no income and being a social pariah.

And yeah its pretty much like thy stole all there money as they are still paying taxs, probably there lease and so on.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
How exactly did they destroy there way of living? It's not like they went and stole all their money.

Death threats kind of put a negative spin on going into work on a daily basis.

Also, for some values of death threats, patronage would be somewhat discouraged. The only red most people want on their pizzas is tomato sauce.

 Desubot wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
How exactly did they destroy there way of living? It's not like they went and stole all their money.

You ever try to start a busness?
You ever been blacklisted?

Its pretty damning for them to have to deal with no income and being a social pariah.

And yeah its pretty much like thy stole all there money as they are still paying taxs, probably there lease and so on.

Market forces at work...Though no excuse for the death threats assuming that there actually were some and this isn't just an extension of the Martyr complex.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
How exactly did they destroy there way of living? It's not like they went and stole all their money.

They shut it down out of fear of you know...dying.

There's no excuse for death threats, but I think blaming bad PR on "thought police" is a bit silly. They brought the bad PR on themselves by saying things meant to offend people.

The Indiana RFRA has been the target of massive amounts of disinformation. Thought Police is a tongue in cheek term of course but it is a tongue in cheek term that applies nicely to this situation.

That I agree, but I don't think the pizza place has or will have, anything actually bad happen to it. Closing because of threats on the internet is probebly one of the more stupid things I've heard. Death threats are practically the normal conversation equivalent of "feth you" on the internet nowadays, especially in the cespit that is social media.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
There's no excuse for death threats, but I think blaming bad PR on "thought police" is a bit silly. They brought the bad PR on themselves by saying things meant to offend people.

They shouldn't have worn those short skirts. They brought it on themselves!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That I agree, but I don't think the pizza place has or will have, anything actually bad happen to it. Closing because of threats on the internet is probebly one of the more stupid things I've heard. Death threats are practically the normal conversation equivalent of "feth you" on the internet nowadays, especially in the cespit that is social media.

While I agree in principle, I'm not sure that's something you can always reasonably take so lightheartedly, particularly when you have a family to worry about and the like.

Someone anonymously telling me "IMA KILL YOU MORAN!" on the internet in response to a comment I make is one thing.
Someone being able to look at a map and know when I'm going to be at work and get precise directions to said location who's saying it is a different caliber of creepy.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
There's no excuse for death threats, but I think blaming bad PR on "thought police" is a bit silly. They brought the bad PR on themselves by saying things meant to offend people.

They shouldn't have worn those short skirts. They brought it on themselves!

Not really equivalent. Saying stuff that offend people is bad PR. It always has been, and it always will be. Anyone who runs a business should know that. A store that plastes it's walls with KKK flyers it going to get bad PR. A store that hangs nazi flags is going to get bad PR. A store that goes out of it's way to offend gay people is going to get bad PR.

Co'tor Shas, once again Ima call your post out as effed up. There is a difference between not partonizing a business on the one hand and harrassing, threatening, and vandalizing a business on the other hand.

Or is this kind of antisocial behavior okay because it suits some widely agreed upon ideology of "tolerance"?

I sure hope that Indiana will get around to passing laws that make death threats illegal at some point.

People in this thread complaining that a business is getting tons of bad PR (Freedom of the Press) and people voicing their disgust with them (Freedom of Speech) after screaming "won't someone please think of the 1st Amendment"? Priceless.

That's one of the dumber arguments you've made d-usa. The First Amendment does not protect harassment.

 Manchu wrote:
Co'tor Shas, once again Ima call your post out as effed up. There is a difference between not partonizing a business on the one hand and harrassing, threatening, and vandalizing a business on the other hand.

Or is this kind of antisocial behavior okay because it suits some widely agreed upon ideology of "tolerance"?

As I have said multiple times, there is no excuse for death threats, but when on purposely offend people, you are going to get bad PR. That is a fact that has been part of business since there have been business. If I ran a ice cream shop and declared that I was't going to serve Christians, bad PR would ensue. If I said I wound't serve Muslims, bad PR would ensue. If I said I wouldn't serve mexicans, bad PR would ensue. When even you offend people, you get bad PR.

The O'Connors were not trying to purposely offend people. That's like saying a gay couple holding hands in public is trying to purposefully offend people.

I find it very hard to believe that people going out of their way to say "We won't treat gay people the same as everybody else." was not meant to offend.

 Manchu wrote:
The O'Connors were not trying to purposely offend people.

Yes they were. They were just surprised at how many people ended up being offended. They expected to just offend gay people. They didn't realize that gay people very often have straight friends.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that people going out of their way to say "We won't treat gay people the same as everybody else." was not meant to offend.

I think people offend too easily nowadays.

There is a HUGE difference between homosexuals holding hands in public and what they did. Sounds like the Martyr complex in full force.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I find it very hard to believe

Hard to believe that disapproval and non participation doesn't instantly mean malice and offense?