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being that daemonkin has access to alot of chaos marine stuff would they be able to take dreadclaw drop pods?

Is it an option in their Codex? Read the Codex and you'll have your answer.

the dreadclaw is a forgeworld model that chaos space marines have access to, the codex wont help there.

People who says no are bonkers, since DeamonKin are CSM of Khorne.

But for the form, its best to wait that FW updates their erratas on IA13 content and Deamonkin, just like they did with the Alliance Matrix with FW armies/models at the beginning of 6ThEd.

Because its ridiculous to not have Brass Scorpion and Bloodslaugthers in an army Dedicated to Khorne with Deamons and Deamon engines.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
People who says no are bonkers

People who say no are reading the rules as written. The Forge World units say they are for Codex:CSM and/or Codex: Daemons. Codex:Khorne Daemonkin is its own separate codex and does not count as those codexs at all so can not take their unit options just like how the Eldar codex doesn't have the option to take chaos units.

You'll have to wait until FW erratas their units to give them permission for the KhornKin codex

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
People who says no are bonkers

People who say no are reading the rules as written. The Forge World units say they are for Codex:CSM and/or Codex: Daemons. Codex:Khorne Daemonkin is its own separate codex and does not count as those codexs at all so can not take their unit options just like how the Eldar codex doesn't have the option to take chaos units.

You'll have to wait until FW erratas their units to give them permission for the KhornKin codex

Agreed. It's currently not allowed from a Rules as Written standpoint.

Fortunately...

You can always just play Unbound. Remember that Formation benefits still work in an Unbound list. If you take a bunch of Khorne Daemonkin Formations and a Dreadclaw, you gain all the benefits of the Formation AND can take the Dreadclaw. I'm pretty sure this is what you want. You just can't take the Dreadclaw in a Khorne Daemonkin (non-Formation) Detachment.

I wanted to second two things said here, one is the unbound allowing formations that was stated above, the other that it is an option for chaos marines AND chaos daemons and if someone told you you couldn't play it in an army made up entirely of units that are within those publications, I wouldn't ever play that person

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I wanted to second two things said here, one is the unbound allowing formations that was stated above, the other that it is an option for chaos marines AND chaos daemons and if someone told you you couldn't play it in an army made up entirely of units that are within those publications, I wouldn't ever play that person

Can Dark Angels/Blood Angels/Space Wolves/Grey Knights use things from C:SM then? Wouldn't it be possible to use the same kind of logic and say that they are Space Marines, and therefore get acces to the things in C:SM?

Not allowed , but easy to ally in.

(Just like kharn, Karanak, skarbrand , oblitorators, mutilators, havoks , predators and lords with decent wargear.)

As a casual wargamer, I would have no problem with it. They're still CSM at the end of the day.

And yes, dethric. I would allow SM chapter Codecies to use SM units. For me, it's all about the first, most important rule- make sure you're having fun.

 CadianXV wrote:
As a casual wargamer, I would have no problem with it. They're still CSM at the end of the day.

And yes, dethric. I would allow SM chapter Codecies to use SM units. For me, it's all about the first, most important rule- make sure you're having fun.

That's fine. It's how you would play it. It's your own house rule. But please realize that you're completely breaking the rules. I'd be fine with you taking C:SM only units in a CA army, but I'd require that you make your army Unbound. You'd lose all detachment Command Benefits by doing so.

And I don't think I'd be a jerk or anything. The rules allow for two methods of army building. One is the "take whatever you want" approach of Unbound. The other requires that you follow the more rigid guidelines in the various 'Dexes, but gives you Command Benefits in exchange for sealing with those requirements.

I'm guessing that you want your cake and to eat it too. You can't have Unbound unit selection plus Battle-Forged Command Benefits.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
People who says no are bonkers, since DeamonKin are CSM of Khorne.

But for the form, its best to wait that FW updates their erratas on IA13 content and Deamonkin, just like they did with the Alliance Matrix with FW armies/models at the beginning of 6ThEd.

Because its ridiculous to not have Brass Scorpion and Bloodslaugthers in an army Dedicated to Khorne with Deamons and Deamon engines.

Why bonkers to not allow Khorne things not in the codex like Brass Scorpion, but not bonkers to not allow other Khorne things not in the codex like Karanak or Kharne?

Granted I'd be surprised if Forgeworld didn't allow to add these things via an FAQ. But Khorne Daemonkin and Chaos Space Marines are two enturely separate factions that have similar units but different rules.

As is the reply of many to this:

Currently, No you cannot use FW Chaos options for the new daemonkin Codex.

I would be very surprised if they did not change this via FaQ or other. But until they do, the Rules are just missing

dethric wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I wanted to second two things said here, one is the unbound allowing formations that was stated above, the other that it is an option for chaos marines AND chaos daemons and if someone told you you couldn't play it in an army made up entirely of units that are within those publications, I wouldn't ever play that person

Can Dark Angels/Blood Angels/Space Wolves/Grey Knights use things from C:SM then? Wouldn't it be possible to use the same kind of logic and say that they are Space Marines, and therefore get acces to the things in C:SM?

Probably not the best example. A better example would be if units in IA2 allowed in SM, SW, DA, BA armies could be used in, say, a newly released Raven Guard codex.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

dethric wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I wanted to second two things said here, one is the unbound allowing formations that was stated above, the other that it is an option for chaos marines AND chaos daemons and if someone told you you couldn't play it in an army made up entirely of units that are within those publications, I wouldn't ever play that person

Can Dark Angels/Blood Angels/Space Wolves/Grey Knights use things from C:SM then? Wouldn't it be possible to use the same kind of logic and say that they are Space Marines, and therefore get acces to the things in C:SM?

Probably not the best example. A better example would be if units in IA2 allowed in SM, SW, DA, BA armies could be used in, say, a newly released Raven Guard codex.

Without an FAQ, no.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

dethric wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I wanted to second two things said here, one is the unbound allowing formations that was stated above, the other that it is an option for chaos marines AND chaos daemons and if someone told you you couldn't play it in an army made up entirely of units that are within those publications, I wouldn't ever play that person

Can Dark Angels/Blood Angels/Space Wolves/Grey Knights use things from C:SM then? Wouldn't it be possible to use the same kind of logic and say that they are Space Marines, and therefore get acces to the things in C:SM?

Probably not the best example. A better example would be if units in IA2 allowed in SM, SW, DA, BA armies could be used in, say, a newly released Raven Guard codex.

Without an FAQ no they wouldn't. Why would you think they would? Particularly if say Shrike wasn't in the codex.

From: Forgeworld <forgeworld@gwplc.com>
Date: July 10, 2015 at 6:46:11 AM EDT
To: Marc Parker <stormboy97@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rules question
Hi Marc,

Thanks for your e-mail, we have forwarded your question on to our rules team for their clarification in a future FAQ/erata. In the meantime you can consider any of the 40k Chaos Units from the IA13 book that also have the Mark of Khorne/Daemon of Khorne as having the Blood for Blood God rule when you're using them in a Daemonkin Army.



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On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:57 PM BST, Marc Parker <stormboy97@aol.com> wrote:
Hi I have question about khorne daemon kin and blood for the blood God rule.

As of now none of your FW models with the mark of khorne have the rule which lets them generate blood tithe.

Just saw the new amazing khorne lords of war which both have the ability to generate blood tithe points.

My question is are you guys going to give us an update or FAQ that says the greater brass scorpion and khorne blood slaughter will generate points.

Really want to do that formation with the scorpion and 8 other vehicles and the update would go a long way to making it competitive.

Thanks
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Awesome to know and how it should be !



"Thanks for your e-mail, we have forwarded your question on to our rules team for their clarification in a future FAQ/erata. In the meantime you can consider any of the 40k Chaos Units from the IA13 book that also have the Mark of Khorne/Daemon of Khorne as having the Blood for Blood God rule when you're using them in a Daemonkin Army."

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From: Forgeworld <forgeworld@gwplc.com>
Date: July 10, 2015 at 6:46:11 AM EDT
To: Marc Parker <stormboy97@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rules question
Hi Marc,

Thanks for your e-mail, we have forwarded your question on to our rules team for their clarification in a future FAQ/erata. In the meantime you can consider any of the 40k Chaos Units from the IA13 book that also have the Mark of Khorne/Daemon of Khorne as having the Blood for Blood God rule when you're using them in a Daemonkin Army.



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On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:57 PM BST, Marc Parker <stormboy97@aol.com> wrote:
Hi I have question about khorne daemon kin and blood for the blood God rule.

As of now none of your FW models with the mark of khorne have the rule which lets them generate blood tithe.

Just saw the new amazing khorne lords of war which both have the ability to generate blood tithe points.

My question is are you guys going to give us an update or FAQ that says the greater brass scorpion and khorne blood slaughter will generate points.

Really want to do that formation with the scorpion and 8 other vehicles and the update would go a long way to making it competitive.

Thanks
Marc Parker

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registered at Games Workshop, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham NG7 2WS.

Please see Tenet #2. Until such time as a FAQ is published, all you have is an unverifiable email that no one else has access to and someone else may not get the same answer if they were to email Forge World with the same question.

Thanks for the clarification, and the chance for me to actually want to find out what Tenet#2 was.

Was just sharing an e-mail i got and i underatand that if it is not an actual published FAQ than it is not real.

I just considered it a positive sign that they may address something for us out here that makes perfect sence to the studio.

Also it could influence tournament organizers to make there own ruling.

Here is the issue...

I E-Mailed the same question, my replay was as such:

From: Forgeworld <forgeworld@gwplc.com>
Date: July 10, 2015 at 6:46:11 AM EDT
To: Marc Parker <stormboy97@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rules question
Hi Deathreaper,

Thanks for your e-mail, we have forwarded your question on to our rules team for their clarification in a future FAQ/erata. In the meantime you can consider any of the 40k Chaos Units from the IA13 book that also have the Mark of Khorne/Daemon of Khorne as not having the Blood for Blood God rule when you're using them in a Daemonkin Army.

One formation is 20 zerkers n one dreadclaw

The fist of khorn from Blood Oath is 20 bezerkers in a kharybdis(the very large assault pod)