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Armour is useless if its anything like space marine armour.

The Lasgun will make any man rich. The money it would save on logistics is huge. The implications that a recharging ammo gun would have in many weapons and platforms would also be huge.

Eventually you could adapt all the guns to run off the same ammo pack. When your support gunner needs ammo, simply give him some of your cells and so on.

The las gun would be the biggest money maker, anyone from warlords to terrorists, from military to police and so on. It would be the new AK while at the same time revolutionizing other military weapons as it gets expanded and improved upon.

Everything else in that list is either too big and or too slow to be useful, no money or use to be had.

Maybe stealth technology from the Tau Suits but they would have limited potential money and use wise compared to the humble lasgun.

 Keep wrote:
Any spacecraft with FTL or near-light-speed travel device really...

But until that arms race actually happened, whoever had masses of power armor would tactically be near unstoppable

Power armour can be countered with mass missile launchers / RPG.

Lasguns are ABSURDLY good weapons for the modern military. They're more powerful then assault rifles (they can blow up limbs or vaporize very large chunks of flesh), and they require zero logistics.

Every weapon has wear and tear. Electronics and optical parts (laser lenses) wear just as mechanical parts. That's like saying a thing that is out of steel will hold for eternity, which is not the case most of the time. In fact, lenses/mirrors for lasers have to be kept very clean otherwise the dirt on them burns and damages the lense/mirror, making them unusable.
So nope, you need logistics just like for every other weapon

Lasguns continue to function for centuries with zero maintenance, cleaning, or even care. Drop it in the sand, leave it buried for several centuries, pull it out, and it will work perfectly fine.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Da Stormlord wrote:
@empNortnoll: You are wrong, stealth suits could have machine guns on them

Ask any 40k player what they'd rather have- a group of six stealth suits fire on them at their max range and then be given a chance to fire back or fire at an IA Riptide at its max range and then be fired on.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, would prefer to deal with 6 stealth suits, even if the suits fired first and the Riptide didn't, if they didn't have a list tailored to kill Riptides, and even then, they probably wouldn't. Not many things out-range a Riptide.

Except a cruise missile. Or a guided bomb. It's a pretty big target with a fairly large signature.

40K is a very limited scope. The things that work well in 40K wouldn't necessarily work well in real life. A lot of things that work poorly in 40K would actually work fairly well in real life (assuming they can function as 40K describes them to)..

Power armour can be countered with mass missile launchers / RPG.

Neither of which really exist in mass numbers. Especially given how inaccurate a rocket propelled grenade is against any kind of moving target and would be ineffective against power armor unless if was using an EFP (which requires a direct hit).

 Desubot wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
I went with TDA, first off, teleportation. Mass production of that would open the door for much, much more. Second, near impervious armor, we could apply that tech to current tanks and aicraft if needed. Third, shielding technology for that sweet +5 invulnerable save, again, apply that to just about everything.

Why bother with war when you can teleport a few dudes in, kill the bosses and teleport out?

I though the teleportation system needed psykers and a ship to work properly

No, although it does utilize the Warp, but its purely mechanical. It helps to have the mental shielding of the Terminator armor.

Autocannon- already exists as the tank turret or a big caliber machine gun.

Storm Bolter- Its just a bigger gun.

Carapace armor- dont we already have this?

Power Armor/TDA- we already have prototype for exoskeleton.

Riptide/Titan-just enhance the PA control and add more tech on.

LRBT, Chimera, Vindicator- what is the difference with it and modern day tank?

Lasgun=Lascannons= MultiLaser. We already have lasers. We just need better power source. Also lasers give away our positions.

Plasma- Now this harder to get but why do we need this when range decrease power and is unstable. If anything this would be a plasma blade. A realistic plasma gun would be a grenade rifle that fires cases of tiny plasma grenades.

The shuriken Cannon that fires near infinite diamond shards would be a huge leap.

A rail gun that fires any pile of metal would be ideal.

Noise Marine Sonic blasters/blast masters that cause organs to rupture behind cover would be very deadly. It essential shoots thru walls and armor. However, how do you get sound vibrations high enough past thick walls of steel and concrete? How does it work in space?

Melta tech? Needs massive power.

Lasguns. Because as already mentioned removing the need to supply a soldier with bullets and the effort involved in this is more important than most realise. Secondly (no less importantly) one of the primary reasons for the modern development of real world powered exoskeletons and smaller calibre assault rifles is to increase the firepower of a squad. Lasguns hold 60-90shots (dark heresy) and can be recharged. One aspect of the problem solved. End result: You would annihilate any other infantry force with the persistent firepower, you could improve training (by reducing costs) and you could increase the numbers of front line troops because of the logistics chain being simplified.
Also you could arm everyone on the planet. Something the ak started and the lasgun would finish. That would end well.

Terminator armor. Peacekeeping operations almost immune to casulties.

The worlds best armies wore metal before guns because if you were immune to arrows and rocks you could just walk up on people with swords. If you could make an armor immune to gunfire and most small explosives then I would wonder why we even need ammo when you could just beat people to death.

Swapping out the things we essentialy already have today

Why dont Terminators carry MultiLaser or lascannons instead of storm bolters and assault cannons when their TDA is a walking nuclear power plant? And why would you think a visible ray of light from point a to b would be a great idea? why cant the laser be invisible? A wavelength above the visible spectrum so enemies cant see where the shot originated from? Would lasers make a noise?

I would redesign TDA to carry the storm shield in one hand clutched by a power fist, the other hand with a blast master. But then the cost would be 100ppm. Or why cant they carry a tl melta gun or plasma gun? How does regular PA carry these weapons but a TDA can not?

Are pulse rifles mini rail guns? Do rail guns make noise when fired? A gauss rifle is a rail gun. when you accelerate a piece of metal on a rail of magnets, why would it make a sound if there is no friction and hammer hitting it?

The necron gauss rifle is not a gauss rifle at all. Its a plasmagun. The descriptions of gauss suggested it harvest flesh but wouldnt it be like a vacuum instead of accelerating an energy particle?

oh and wave serpents. I would like a special shielding that can be used as a weapon that shoots thru walls miles away. Seriously, this thing was a mistake that refuses to be corrected. how do you even Explain this Technology?

The wave serpents wins hands down as it can hover and never get hit by land mines, all terrain, doesnt need gas and is very fast. Carry any army. Speed and mobility are most important.

I'm gonna go with a tricked out Falcon.
That'd give us a high-firepower (with functional laser and plasma weapons), long-range gunship with anti-grav technology thrown in for good measure, not to mention all the other technological gewgaws the Eldar have put in to protect it (Holofield and vectored/star engines spring to mind).

Not to mention the sheer speed of the thing.

Am I really the only person who understands that the obvious correct answer is the Manta? You know, the FTL-capable starship with enough firepower to effortlessly annihilate anything else on the list? Mass-produced lasguns save you some money on ammunition. Mass-produced Mantas change the entire existence of humanity.

 Peregrine wrote:
Am I really the only person who understands that the obvious correct answer is the Manta? You know, the FTL-capable starship with enough firepower to effortlessly annihilate anything else on the list? Mass-produced lasguns save you some money on ammunition. Mass-produced Mantas change the entire existence of humanity.

While we're at it, how about a Craftworld? You know, wraithbone and such. Or Necron tombship. Gotta love dat living metal.

In the end, possibility of getting anything from 40k to modern world would be huge for the military.

 Finlandiaperkele wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Am I really the only person who understands that the obvious correct answer is the Manta? You know, the FTL-capable starship with enough firepower to effortlessly annihilate anything else on the list? Mass-produced lasguns save you some money on ammunition. Mass-produced Mantas change the entire existence of humanity.

While we're at it, how about a Craftworld? You know, wraithbone and such. Or Necron tombship. Gotta love dat living metal.

In the end, possibility of getting anything from 40k to modern world would be huge for the military.

Does it have water? Because if so I want it.

 Peregrine wrote:
Am I really the only person who understands that the obvious correct answer is the Manta? You know, the FTL-capable starship with enough firepower to effortlessly annihilate anything else on the list? Mass-produced lasguns save you some money on ammunition. Mass-produced Mantas change the entire existence of humanity.

I think that was a late addition to the poll. But as I said earlier, any of the setting's various means of getting into space reliably would be leaps and bounds ahead of the rest.

 Raxmei wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Am I really the only person who understands that the obvious correct answer is the Manta? You know, the FTL-capable starship with enough firepower to effortlessly annihilate anything else on the list? Mass-produced lasguns save you some money on ammunition. Mass-produced Mantas change the entire existence of humanity.

I think that was a late addition to the poll. But as I said earlier, any of the setting's various means of getting into space reliably would be leaps and bounds ahead of the rest.

It is an extra addition to the poll, I added 5 more and replaced the ones we essentialy already have

 Wyzilla wrote:
Lasguns continue to function for centuries with zero maintenance, cleaning, or even care. Drop it in the sand, leave it buried for several centuries, pull it out, and it will work perfectly fine.

Wrong! Read imperial infantrymans uplifting primer. Why would there be a Lasgun maintenance kit (including oiling agent, muzzlerod, holy toolbox with repair instruments, spare lasgun stock, spare lasgun barrel and more) if it doesnt need maintenance? Also, why is it field stripable if it doesnt need maintenance? A maintenance free humanmade infantry weapon is completely unrealistic

The idea that they could sit for a hundred years in sand and work as good as new is a very stupid one. Work after you got it stripped and cleaned up, possibly needing a new battery back, and maybe some new wires and stuff because of corrosion, maybe.

Imperial knights beacuse who dosn't love massive mechs hitting things in the face.

 Filch wrote:
Why dont Terminators carry MultiLaser or lascannons instead of storm bolters and assault cannons when their TDA is a walking nuclear power plant? And why would you think a visible ray of light from point a to b would be a great idea? why cant the laser be invisible? A wavelength above the visible spectrum so enemies cant see where the shot originated from? Would lasers make a noise?

I would redesign TDA to carry the storm shield in one hand clutched by a power fist, the other hand with a blast master. But then the cost would be 100ppm. Or why cant they carry a tl melta gun or plasma gun? How does regular PA carry these weapons but a TDA can not?

Are pulse rifles mini rail guns? Do rail guns make noise when fired? A gauss rifle is a rail gun. when you accelerate a piece of metal on a rail of magnets, why would it make a sound if there is no friction and hammer hitting it?

The necron gauss rifle is not a gauss rifle at all. Its a plasmagun. The descriptions of gauss suggested it harvest flesh but wouldnt it be like a vacuum instead of accelerating an energy particle?

oh and wave serpents. I would like a special shielding that can be used as a weapon that shoots thru walls miles away. Seriously, this thing was a mistake that refuses to be corrected. how do you even Explain this Technology?

The wave serpents wins hands down as it can hover and never get hit by land mines, all terrain, doesnt need gas and is very fast. Carry any army. Speed and mobility are most important.

Rail guns most certainly make noise. Anything that causes a projectile to break the sound barrier will make a VERY loud noise. (the main advantage of rail guns as opposed to cannons is increased velocity of the projectile - so explosives are not needed to achieve penetration and range is dramatically increased as well - it's disadvantages are they need large generators to achieve required energies to gain high velocities. So they can only really be used on ships/ possibly large artillery pieces/ or mounted on the groud.)

Lasers on the other hand - can be invisible and make 0 noise outside of their power generator - I assume pulse rifles are laser weapons that fire high energy laser pulses - I'm sure most lasers will incorporate this kind of technology because it has higher peak potential and therefore will be more destructive to targets that are moving and unable to be focused on.

Realistically we already have these technologies. They will be commonplace on most military vessels and tanks withing the century. Not sure about hand held weapons because lasers really don't offer anything that projectile weapons do for small arms. Small arms need to be lightweight and reliable and have high rate of fire - it's unlikely laser weapons will ever have all of these things at the same time. Lasers will likely be used an intercept systems for missiles perhaps large lasers will be used as precision snipers to destroy key elements without much collateral damage. Rail-guns on the other hand will likely become a mainstay offensive weapons - due to range - difficulty to intercept - and cheapness of projectiles - they will replace missiles in a lot of offensive and even defensive capacities.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
The idea that they could sit for a hundred years in sand and work as good as new is a very stupid one. Work after you got it stripped and cleaned up, possibly needing a new battery back, and maybe some new wires and stuff because of corrosion, maybe.

Theres no doubt that a laser weapon is going to have some very delicate parts. It's also a much more complicated weapon that projectiles so it's really unlikely it will be lighter, or more reliable than projectile weapons.

Pulse weapons are the bastard child of a coil gun and a plasma gun. They won't be as loud as your conventional rifle, but they will still make noise. The only real noise tau rail guns make from range is the sound of the projectile, but the projectile has already hit by the time you hear it.

 Peregrine wrote:
Am I really the only person who understands that the obvious correct answer is the Manta? You know, the FTL-capable starship with enough firepower to effortlessly annihilate anything else on the list? Mass-produced lasguns save you some money on ammunition. Mass-produced Mantas change the entire existence of humanity.

I don't play with FW stuff so I have no idea what it is...obviously if it's a giant star-ship it's the most powerful thing on the list.

It's not a giant star ship (it's used as a bomber in FBG) but it is hilariouslt big in compared to most thing you will see on the battlefield.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Pulse weapons are the bastard child of a coil gun and a plasma gun. They won't be as loud as your conventional rifle, but they will still make noise. The only real noise tau rail guns make from range is the sound of the projectile, but the projectile has already hit by the time you hear it.

This is true about all projectile weapons. You'll be on the ground before you hear the shot. They are loud though.

Yep, but (considering their effecting range) the sound of the actual weapon won't be what alerts you. It will be the sound of a hypersonic round punching through the side of a tank.

realistically, bolters. Simple, basically small missile launchers that could be fired by every infantry man. No more dealing with cover, or having to worry about kill shots. Second would be power armor, because protection.

Come one, stealth suits! Same protection and strength enhacement as PA, but with stealth and jetpacks (as well as all the tau sensor and communications gear).

But… But… Power armor and space marines… and for the Emperor and stuff?! *Whines*

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Come one, stealth suits! Same protection and strength enhacement as PA, but with stealth and jetpacks (as well as all the tau sensor and communications gear).

The stealth suit for sure would be valuable. Though stealth tech always has a counter and as soon as it becomes standard the tech becomes next to useless. Also I really wouldn't equate stealth suits to power armor at all - maybe in game terms because they both confer a 3+ but in terms of fluff I'd say PA is much more resilient.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Come one, stealth suits! Same protection and strength enhacement as PA, but with stealth and jetpacks (as well as all the tau sensor and communications gear).

The stealth suit for sure would be valuable. Though stealth tech always has a counter and as soon as it becomes standard the tech becomes next to useless. Also I really wouldn't equate stealth suits to power armor at all - maybe in game terms because they both confer a 3+ but in terms of fluff I'd say PA is much more resilient.

No, the martial that the tau uses (IIRC the name has a k and too many apostasies) is actualy stronger and lighter than ceramitite. Now a stealth suited tau will die faster than a PAed space marines beause it's a space marines in inside there, but a PAed human will take the same amount of damage as a stealth suited human.

 Hyglar's Hellraiser wrote:
Lasguns. Because as already mentioned removing the need to supply a soldier with bullets and the effort involved in this is more important than most realise. Secondly (no less importantly) one of the primary reasons for the modern development of real world powered exoskeletons and smaller calibre assault rifles is to increase the firepower of a squad. Lasguns hold 60-90shots (dark heresy) and can be recharged. One aspect of the problem solved. End result: You would annihilate any other infantry force with the persistent firepower, you could improve training (by reducing costs) and you could increase the numbers of front line troops because of the logistics chain being simplified.
Also you could arm everyone on the planet. Something the ak started and the lasgun would finish. That would end well.

Unless that other infantry force would have chosen the mass production of Terminator Armour option. Think about that. It would make a single soldier stronger than a modern MBT. The lasgun is not going to give anywhere near as much firepower to an infantry squad as Terminator armour will.