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 SharkoutofWata wrote:
From a no-fun real answer point of view, Power Armor. Something that enhances physical ability, sensory ability and immeasurably decreases risk to the actual person, the choice is obvious. And Mass Production makes it sound like everyone gets it. Terminator is a close second, but Power Armor is cheaper, easier to produce, and we all know how world militaries are. A penny saved is worth spending on more studies on how to save more pennies.



This, Power Armor, but not for the reasons most people would assume. It has less to do with force protection and more to do with logistics. If you could get each infantryman to carry 300 lbs on his back, you'd basically mitigate a great deal of the required logistics chain to keep him supplied.

Also, Power Armor would be useful outside of combat as well. Want to load a bunch of trucks quickly? Suit up, Jobnick!


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 Wyzilla wrote:
Because any competent military base probably has missile defenses if there's an enemy boat off shore loaded with missiles and bombarding their location? There isn't even a single damn point to using something as big as a Riptide or Knight, we already have vehicles that can cause that much damage- they're called fighter-bombers. An F-35 is going to wreak a lot more havoc then a Riptide, while also having the advantage of being several thousand feet in the air- at an altitude where things like Drones or missile boats isn't going to be a real threat, and the only thing that can threaten the pilot are SAM batteries and interceptors.

If your competent base has defense against missiles, artillery and bombs, how do you destroy it then? Exactly, by powerfull direct fire weapons that you mount on a ... mobile ground platform. Trying to replace stones with paper, just because paper beats stone is a dumb idea.

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Stealth suit for sure! Very good protection, jetpack, potent weapon, stealth and strenght enhancement. Whats not to like? On modern battlefields and missions i can see the human size as another advantage. Knights arent very subtle and todays humanity should be worried about civilian casualities
   
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Well if the military could mass produce one thing it would be Space Marines

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 Keep wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
Because any competent military base probably has missile defenses if there's an enemy boat off shore loaded with missiles and bombarding their location? There isn't even a single damn point to using something as big as a Riptide or Knight, we already have vehicles that can cause that much damage- they're called fighter-bombers. An F-35 is going to wreak a lot more havoc then a Riptide, while also having the advantage of being several thousand feet in the air- at an altitude where things like Drones or missile boats isn't going to be a real threat, and the only thing that can threaten the pilot are SAM batteries and interceptors.

If your competent base has defense against missiles, artillery and bombs, how do you destroy it then? Exactly, by powerfull direct fire weapons that you mount on a ... mobile ground platform. Trying to replace stones with paper, just because paper beats stone is a dumb idea.


No, you kill it with a combines arms assault. You never just send a single unit or unit type to seize an area from the enemy (not to mention you always need infantry to occupy it), but the Riptide's just going to get destroyed if sent in alone. Although depending on the nation, your military may not even be physically capable of succeeding in the fight even with the advantage of something like Riptides.or power armor. Nevermind that mecha are horribly impractical, and an Eldar skimmer would be far, FAR more useful then a Riptide, and without the absurd profile of a mech.

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So how do these missiles not shoot down the F 35? But they can engage something moving around under the radar horizon at several hundred knots with more armor than any tank in the world? Have you seen the 35s internal payload? It's not that impressive compared to a rapid firing nuclear artillery piece that can't run out of ammo. Also 35 is only stealthy against x band in the front arc with a clean fuselage so....

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Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
No, you kill it with a combines arms assault. You never just send a single unit or unit type to seize an area from the enemy (not to mention you always need infantry to occupy it), but the Riptide's just going to get destroyed if sent in alone. Although depending on the nation, your military may not even be physically capable of succeeding in the fight even with the advantage of something like Riptides.or power armor. Nevermind that mecha are horribly impractical, and an Eldar skimmer would be far, FAR more useful then a Riptide, and without the absurd profile of a mech.

Havent said they should go alone. But your comparisons (cruise missiles, fighterbombas) wont be an issue either if you send combined arms... Losses are to be expected in war. Just because its not invincible doesnt make it useless.
Mechs (particulary ones that are not clunky titans/dreadnoughts) are much better in urban and closecombat scenarios then tanks. A skimmer would only shine in special cases in urban warfare... bereft of its superior speed there is little use other then floating above rubble which makes it also a nice target...

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Ok, let's get a quick rundown of top 4:
Power armour 26% [ 64 ]
Are we talking about Astartes or normal power armour?
Because the Astartes variant is the most advanced, but it requires the Black Carapace implant to work. The normal is just a suit that carries it's own weight.

Stealth Battlesuits 13% [ 31 ]
Stealth is great, but you can't make anything 100% invisible. It's mainly useful against clay-hut people with no real IR capability.

Riptide Battlesuit 11% [ 27 ]
This thing was made to counter the (small) titan-sized warmachines used by majority of the races. No use in current world. Also, big target is big.

Lasguns 20% [ 49 ]
If you would replace our weapons with lasguns, this would free ALOT stress from logistics, enabling troops to operate with lighter logistical capacity/or relieving capacity for other things. And logistics determine the winner.

Also, NOTE:
The question was what would be the most wanted, not what would make the best basis for further development.
   
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What percentage of our log capability is dedicated to 5.56? Answer: virtually none

After Operation Pocket Money we had an unlimited logistic advantage over the Vietnamese. And last time I checked, Saigon is still called Ho Chi Minh City. So no, logistics don't always determine the victor.

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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.

Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.

 
   
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Actually, stealth battle suits are quite interesting. The stealth field bend light around you truing you into a blur in the air, think heat waves. if you are standing right in frony of someone they will probebly know you are there, but in some cover, or in the dark, you will be pretty much undetectable. They also have countermeasures which stop them from being detected by 40k level tech, so thinking that they aren't protected from IR is laughable.

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The Military gets a pick from 40k....and it is going to be...something we dont have IMO. Like Space Vessels.
A whole new level of Options.


If we are restricted to the list in the OP,
- new guns, because Logistics
- new armor , because protecting your assets in current asymetric wars
- something shiny, because Humans are not perfect and may choose badly...

IMO, Humans always find a counter to something...

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Finlandiaperkele wrote:Ok, let's get a quick rundown of top 4:
Power armour 26% [ 64 ]
Are we talking about Astartes or normal power armour?
Because the Astartes variant is the most advanced, but it requires the Black Carapace implant to work. The normal is just a suit that carries it's own weight.

Stealth Battlesuits 13% [ 31 ]
Stealth is great, but you can't make anything 100% invisible. It's mainly useful against clay-hut people with no real IR capability.

Riptide Battlesuit 11% [ 27 ]
This thing was made to counter the (small) titan-sized warmachines used by majority of the races. No use in current world. Also, big target is big.
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As I tried to say earlier, albeit rather flippantly, is that there is absolutely no reason to take Imperial Power Armour over a Stealth Suit, because a Stealth Suit is a suit of Power Armour that also turns invisible and flies.

Any advantage the power armour might afford - strength enhancement, power supplies, super composites - also applies to Stealth Suits. Plus, the XV-15 stealth suit is just plain sexier (as far as military kit goes) than any of the Imperial armour marks.



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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Actually, stealth battle suits are quite interesting. The stealth field bend light around you truing you into a blur in the air, think heat waves. if you are standing right in frony of someone they will probebly know you are there, but in some cover, or in the dark, you will be pretty much undetectable. They also have countermeasures which stop them from being detected by 40k level tech, so thinking that they aren't protected from IR is laughable.


Unless it uses warp tech, it can't break thermodynamics, and it won't appear to be invisible on IR. If it exists, it leaves a heat signature. The problem is just how hot the surrounding air is around the suit compared to the environment it's currently in, much like a Polar Bear.

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...I think this poll is flawed because you have superior tau and eldar tech compared to inferior imperium of man tech.
   
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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Actually, stealth battle suits are quite interesting. The stealth field bend light around you truing you into a blur in the air, think heat waves. if you are standing right in frony of someone they will probebly know you are there, but in some cover, or in the dark, you will be pretty much undetectable. They also have countermeasures which stop them from being detected by 40k level tech, so thinking that they aren't protected from IR is laughable.


Unless it uses warp tech, it can't break thermodynamics, and it won't appear to be invisible on IR. If it exists, it leaves a heat signature. The problem is just how hot the surrounding air is around the suit compared to the environment it's currently in, much like a Polar Bear.


Generating heat is not the same as expelling heat. Simply keeping the heat contained will allow it to not show up. And there could even be temperature gauges that read the ambient temperate and match the outside of the suit to mach.

Also, keep in mind, it's 40k. The laws of physics are broken on a daily manner.

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 Filch wrote:
...I think this poll is flawed because you have superior tau and eldar tech compared to inferior imperium of man tech.


And yet the IoM ''inferior'' tech is leading.

Does stealth suit actually offer the same stuff as PA + invisibility, or is it just protection?

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 Bobthehero wrote:
 Filch wrote:
...I think this poll is flawed because you have superior tau and eldar tech compared to inferior imperium of man tech.


And yet the IoM ''inferior'' tech is leading.

Does stealth suit actually offer the same stuff as PA + invisibility, or is it just protection?


Its roughly comparable to PA in protection due to being a thicker layer of inferior material.

Thats why Tau suits have 3+ saves, they've basically layered inferior materials to create the same level of protection.

And actually the Tau are still far more primitive than the Imperium. The Imperium just chooses to not equip everyone to a very high level of technology because its expensive and unnecessary. When your biggest resource is literally unlimited manpower you're not going to waste money giving everyone the best possible gear. They could have a significantly smaller military where everyone got PA, combat implants, plasma guns, plasma grenades, melta bombs, and power swords, but that wouldn't be effective at all because they'd lose numbers, which is necessary when you have ~1,000,000 planets to police and defend.

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 Bobthehero wrote:
 Filch wrote:
...I think this poll is flawed because you have superior tau and eldar tech compared to inferior imperium of man tech.


And yet the IoM ''inferior'' tech is leading.

Does stealth suit actually offer the same stuff as PA + invisibility, or is it just protection?


It also has a jetpack.


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 Finlandiaperkele wrote:
Ok, let's get a quick rundown of top 4:
Power armour 26% [ 64 ]
Are we talking about Astartes or normal power armour?
Because the Astartes variant is the most advanced, but it requires the Black Carapace implant to work. The normal is just a suit that carries it's own weight.

Stealth Battlesuits 13% [ 31 ]
Stealth is great, but you can't make anything 100% invisible. It's mainly useful against clay-hut people with no real IR capability.

Riptide Battlesuit 11% [ 27 ]
This thing was made to counter the (small) titan-sized warmachines used by majority of the races. No use in current world. Also, big target is big.

Lasguns 20% [ 49 ]
If you would replace our weapons with lasguns, this would free ALOT stress from logistics, enabling troops to operate with lighter logistical capacity/or relieving capacity for other things. And logistics determine the winner.

Also, NOTE:
The question was what would be the most wanted, not what would make the best basis for further development.


I'm guessing the option that would be the most wanted item would be the one that could be air-dropped anywhere on Earth in a few hours and then proceed to devastate tank battalions while shooting down enemy air support... while being immune to small arms fire.

The Riptide.

That power armor is beating stealth suits is a clear indication that about half of our posters would favor Space Marines over anything else no matter how much evidence there is that they're not the right choice.

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 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

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"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

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 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm guessing the option that would be the most wanted item would be the one that could be air-dropped anywhere on Earth in a few hours and then proceed to devastate tank battalions while shooting down enemy air support... while being immune to small arms fire.
Like anyone is sitting their Armoured Battalions in an open field without any dispersion. COULD be airdropped. With what? C-5? That thing gets intercepted before it gets to target area. That thing is just too big for any reasonable modern-day military use.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
That power armor is beating stealth suits is a clear indication that about half of our posters would favor Space Marines over anything else no matter how much evidence there is that they're not the right choice.
Or the fact that you have no idea about military. Stealth only goes as far when your enemy has no means to detect you (the stealth suit isn't 100% invisible). In a nation-vs-nation war a power armour comes much more handy than a stealth suit. A lasgun even more so.
   
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 Finlandiaperkele wrote:
 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm guessing the option that would be the most wanted item would be the one that could be air-dropped anywhere on Earth in a few hours and then proceed to devastate tank battalions while shooting down enemy air support... while being immune to small arms fire.
Like anyone is sitting their Armoured Battalions in an open field without any dispersion. COULD be airdropped. With what? C-5? That thing gets intercepted before it gets to target area. That thing is just too big for any reasonable modern-day military use.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
That power armor is beating stealth suits is a clear indication that about half of our posters would favor Space Marines over anything else no matter how much evidence there is that they're not the right choice.
Or the fact that you have no idea about military. Stealth only goes as far when your enemy has no means to detect you (the stealth suit isn't 100% invisible). In a nation-vs-nation war a power armour comes much more handy than a stealth suit. A lasgun even more so.



As I understand it, most tanks are stored in buildings.. a confined space where they are close together. Ideal for the ion accelerator.

Failing that, an open field is the most favorable terrain to tanks, as the Riptide in anything else can jet behind obstacles or- even better- get close enough to simply rip them to pieces with its hands.

My favorite delivery system would be a modified ICBM that can be shot into space and then the Riptide deploys from low orbit.

Space shuttle would work, too... or you could maybe modify a B-2 bomber to carry it.


As has been said, the XV-15 has all of the benefits of power armor, plus its stealth, jetpack, and integrated night vision gear... something 40k power armor pointedly lacks.

Anyone who picked power armor over a stealth suit clearly doesn't know what Tau stealth armor is capable of.

 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

"...Kunnin'."
 
   
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 EmpNortonII wrote:
As I understand it, most tanks are stored in buildings.. a confined space where they are close together. Ideal for the ion accelerator.
Yes, because they are driven from there straight into the battlefield... Also, most militaries store their tanks inside cave systems.
 EmpNortonII wrote:
Failing that, an open field is the most favorable terrain to tanks, as the Riptide in anything else can jet behind obstacles or- even better- get close enough to simply rip them to pieces with its hands.
Thing that size would immediately draw attention of every nation. And that thing is not impervious. You can't just use it recklessly.
 EmpNortonII wrote:
My favorite delivery system would be a modified ICBM that can be shot into space and then the Riptide deploys from low orbit.
That would be the stupidest thing ever. Why? Because that would flare up every launch-tracking centre in the world, ensuing in an immediate counter-attack. ie. This would start a nuclear war.
 EmpNortonII wrote:
Space shuttle would work, too... or you could maybe modify a B-2 bomber to carry it.
After that, a B-2 wouldn't be exactly stealthy... And space shuttle isn't in use anymore, and the launches are pretty damn expensive. Not like you could do them multiple times a day (hell, even in a week).
 EmpNortonII wrote:
As has been said, the XV-15 has all of the benefits of power armor, plus its stealth, jetpack, and integrated night vision gear... something 40k power armor pointedly lacks.
What variant? The varying in Imperial power armours is huge, since you got the Astartes variant in the other end, and externally powered suits for lifting heavy things in the other.
 EmpNortonII wrote:
Anyone who picked power armor over a stealth suit clearly doesn't know what Tau stealth armor is capable of.
Or you have no idea about Imperial variants.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Actually, stealth battle suits are quite interesting. The stealth field bend light around you truing you into a blur in the air, think heat waves. if you are standing right in frony of someone they will probebly know you are there, but in some cover, or in the dark, you will be pretty much undetectable. They also have countermeasures which stop them from being detected by 40k level tech, so thinking that they aren't protected from IR is laughable.
Do they even have IR in 40k?


 EmpNortonII wrote:
That power armor is beating stealth suits is a clear indication that about half of our posters would favor Space Marines over anything else no matter how much evidence there is that they're not the right choice.
No, but this comment is clear indication that you would pick anything related to Tau even when it is a pretty bad choice. The stealth suit is not the best choice. Especially not when one considers that its design would make it impossible to actually hold weapons, toss grenades, go to the toilet or whatever action that requires two hands.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Bobthehero wrote:
 Filch wrote:
...I think this poll is flawed because you have superior tau and eldar tech compared to inferior imperium of man tech.


And yet the IoM ''inferior'' tech is leading.

Does stealth suit actually offer the same stuff as PA + invisibility, or is it just protection?


Its roughly comparable to PA in protection due to being a thicker layer of inferior material.

Thats why Tau suits have 3+ saves, they've basically layered inferior materials to create the same level of protection.

And actually the Tau are still far more primitive than the Imperium. The Imperium just chooses to not equip everyone to a very high level of technology because its expensive and unnecessary. When your biggest resource is literally unlimited manpower you're not going to waste money giving everyone the best possible gear. They could have a significantly smaller military where everyone got PA, combat implants, plasma guns, plasma grenades, melta bombs, and power swords, but that wouldn't be effective at all because they'd lose numbers, which is necessary when you have ~1,000,000 planets to police and defend.

Actually, the material the tau use, is lighter and stronger than ceramitite.


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Why is there no AdMech tech in this list? Nuclear radiation rifles FTW!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Actually, stealth battle suits are quite interesting. The stealth field bend light around you truing you into a blur in the air, think heat waves. if you are standing right in frony of someone they will probebly know you are there, but in some cover, or in the dark, you will be pretty much undetectable. They also have countermeasures which stop them from being detected by 40k level tech, so thinking that they aren't protected from IR is laughable.
Do they even have IR in 40k?

I think so? We know the tech exists (you can get IR goggles in the 40k RPGS), but I'm not sure if any armies use them. If the IG doesn't, I can't only assume that at least the SMs do. Otherwise, that's just kind of sad.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Actually, the material the tau use, is lighter and stronger than ceramitite.


Clearly that is just in-universe Tau Codex propaganda. It's obviously designed for morale purposes - I mean, it'd very much be in their interests to make their armour seem superior to that of the Emperor's elite!

After all, the Stealth Suit is visually obviously carrying way thicker armour, for the same protection result.

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I think so? We know the tech exists (you can get IR goggles in the 40k RPGS), but I'm not sure if any armies use them. If the IG doesn't, I can't only assume that at least the SMs do. Otherwise, that's just kind of sad.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
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...I think this poll is flawed because you have superior tau and eldar tech compared to inferior imperium of man tech.


And yet the IoM ''inferior'' tech is leading.

Does stealth suit actually offer the same stuff as PA + invisibility, or is it just protection?


Its roughly comparable to PA in protection due to being a thicker layer of inferior material.

Thats why Tau suits have 3+ saves, they've basically layered inferior materials to create the same level of protection.

And actually the Tau are still far more primitive than the Imperium. The Imperium just chooses to not equip everyone to a very high level of technology because its expensive and unnecessary. When your biggest resource is literally unlimited manpower you're not going to waste money giving everyone the best possible gear. They could have a significantly smaller military where everyone got PA, combat implants, plasma guns, plasma grenades, melta bombs, and power swords, but that wouldn't be effective at all because they'd lose numbers, which is necessary when you have ~1,000,000 planets to police and defend.

Actually, the material the tau use, is lighter and stronger than ceramitite.


The evidence doesn't support that.

All tau suits are far far more bulky than power armor, yet they only provide the same level of protection. It is definitely lighter, or they wouldn't also be jump suits, although Assault Marines still exist too and they are just as fast as Tau suits while also being smaller.

This clearly shows at the very least it is no stronger than Ceramite. Its probably lighter, but definitely not stronger. You have to pile layers and layers of it on till you have a monstrosity the size of the Riptide till you get a 2+ save. To get a 2+ save on a battlesuit they have to completely change material(Irridium armor)

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