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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Probably looking at the black carapace vs how tau are just connected to their suit w/o any surgery.


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Also, the stealth suits attached weapons need a mention too, the burst cannon being a man-portable anti vehicle cannon, and the the burst cannon being a weapon that would annihilate any armour we use today.

I assume you meant the Fusion Blaster there

Actually, I mean the fusion blaster for the other one. Think about it, the burst cannon is more powerful than the bolter, which is a .75 cal penetrating round that then explodes. It's actually hilariously powerful for a man-portable weapon. Not on the level of a 30mm, but to the point where it will destroy most transport vehicles.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:


They're about the same size.

Ehhh physical models are not a good indicator of scale. otherwise regular guardsmen have hands and heads the size of beachballs.

not disagreeing with the rest of it though.

Edit: Although how are you interpreting that one requires super invasive surgery while the other doesn't?

Edit2: Liquid metal tech?

Yeah, Black Carapace = invasive surgery. Tau neural interfaces are headsets (Spurrier).

Liquid metal tech comes from a curious mention in Codex: Tau Empire that just says that Battlesuits are coated in 'liquid metal' to disperse energy weapon shots.

Ah thats interesting about the liquid metal...though i dont think i have ever heard of it in practice.

Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

I would like to run around in terminator armor.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Whoops, yes, those are the wrong way round (I think I did it right further up).

Here's the thing. I'm not sure which is more valuable - reliable fusion technology, or nanotechnology in general, especially since nanotechnology theoretically can lead to even more advanced power generation technology.

Fusion would actually be better. Our current biggest challenge is power generation, not things we can't do because of a lack of nano-technology. Present needs trump theoretical and future benefits.

Give us fusion and that makes us far closer to getting actual nano-technology because we won't be worrying about power generation.

 1hadhq wrote:
Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

Me? Because mine's pretty though out. A bolter would inflict massive damage on today's transports, and a burst cannon is both more powerful and fires at a much faster rate. The only problem with mine could be underestimating today's transports or overestimating all weapon, which I could well be doing. But considering that lasguns do substantially more damage than today's assault rifles, I'd say it's pretty justified.

1hadhq wrote:Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

You talking to me?

Co'tor Shas wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

Me? Because mine's pretty though out. A bolter would inflict massive damage on today's transports, and a burst cannon is both more powerful and fires at a much faster rate. The only problem with mine could be underestimating today's transports or overestimating all weapon, which I could well be doing. But considering that lasguns do substantially more damage than today's assault rifles, I'd say it's pretty justified.

IMO, many comparisons don't work so well.

If you think of 20-30mm full auto, there are some AA-Tanks and there is a IG Hydra. Autocannons from 40k deal nicely wirth light armored targets, like current systems in real life do.
But burst cannons would be Heavy machine guns ( IMHO ) , so maybe not the thing you are looking for.

Furyou Miko wrote:

1hadhq wrote:Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

You talking to me?

Tau fan girl or not?
Your post at : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210/642460.page#7728841
was:

I would just like to make a note here: I'm not a Tau fangirl. I play Sisters, for the Emperor's sake.

Could you please decide where you stand? Thanks.

Calm down, 1hadhq. We're talking about what we think would be best for modern societies, not what's best in the lore.

I would like to take a moment to add a new option to this debate: Thallax. Or by extension; Legio Cybernetica in general.

Unmanned, AI-driven, incredibly resilient mech platforms not vastly larger than humans that come toting jetpacks. You don't even need to be able to equip them with the Photon Thrusters or Lightning Guns (although it would help seeing as how a reasonable reactor would be necessary to achieve maximal efficiency.)

A Cohort of about 12 of these could be dropped from a C-17 or other already used deployment method from high altitude, land safely, be driven either by AI or via long-range radio much like Drones, allowing them to inflict heavy damage, before being powered down once the mission was complete and retrieved for later use.

Aside from the fact we're almost there with Cybernetics, and possess the necessary cover-ignoring technology already, the reactor alone would provide a massive boost to mankind.


Other than that, Land Speeders. Anti-grav with a big-ass gun which we have several versions of already. Think humvee at 100+ mph.

Dear all: if everyone could please calm down, take a step back, realize what we're all discussing here AND then remember to follow RULE #1, that would be great.

Thanks!

Grav-vehicles would be great for their ancillary purposes, but I still think lasguns and associated technologies would help the most.

 1hadhq wrote:

Co'tor Shas wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

Me? Because mine's pretty though out. A bolter would inflict massive damage on today's transports, and a burst cannon is both more powerful and fires at a much faster rate. The only problem with mine could be underestimating today's transports or overestimating all weapon, which I could well be doing. But considering that lasguns do substantially more damage than today's assault rifles, I'd say it's pretty justified.

IMO, many comparisons don't work so well.

If you think of 20-30mm full auto, there are some AA-Tanks and there is a IG Hydra. Autocannons from 40k deal nicely wirth light armored targets, like current systems in real life do.
But burst cannons would be Heavy machine guns ( IMHO ) , so maybe not the thing you are looking for.

Well, a HMG that fire plasma pulses more powerful than explosive .50cal rounds (bolts), but I guess an HMG works. LB BCs are probably more in line with 30mm cannons.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:

Co'tor Shas wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
Seems the Tau fans are lost in their head canon here....

Me? Because mine's pretty though out. A bolter would inflict massive damage on today's transports, and a burst cannon is both more powerful and fires at a much faster rate. The only problem with mine could be underestimating today's transports or overestimating all weapon, which I could well be doing. But considering that lasguns do substantially more damage than today's assault rifles, I'd say it's pretty justified.

IMO, many comparisons don't work so well.

If you think of 20-30mm full auto, there are some AA-Tanks and there is a IG Hydra. Autocannons from 40k deal nicely wirth light armored targets, like current systems in real life do.
But burst cannons would be Heavy machine guns ( IMHO ) , so maybe not the thing you are looking for.

Well, a HMG that fire plasma pulses more powerful than explosive .50cal rounds (bolts), but I guess an HMG works. LB BCs are probably more in line with 30mm cannons.

Oh speaking of which.

What are the specs on the tau equipment?

Weight, recoil, ammunition systems (and its associated weight) heating, durability and stuff? i think we have a decent amount of fluff for imperial stuff but not sure about xeno stuff.

On the subject of unmanned stuff, the remora might be interesting. A self-aware squadron of LB BC toting, stealthed, and decently armoured drones also equipped with self aware and guided missiles, and 3d target designators. Something like the men of iron would probably be better if we could stop them from revolting.


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 Desubot wrote:


Oh speaking of which.

What are the specs on the tau equipment?

Weight, recoil, ammunition systems (and its associated weight) heating, durability and stuff? i think we have a decent amount of fluff for imperial stuff but not sure about xeno stuff.

Pulse weaponry has almost no recoil, even on stuff like burst cannons (the stuff they fire is practically weightless, so it makes sense). And they are supposed to be relatively light, certainly lighter than their imperial equivalents (although that's not hard, considering some of the imperial designs). Other than comparative stuff though, there really isn't much. The most specific thing I know of is the fact that a single pulse rifle/carbine energy clip supplies enough energy for 50 shots.

Is there a source for the no recoil and lightness?
Edit also we already have long distance drones that shoot guided missiles. /trollface

 1hadhq wrote:


Could you please decide where you stand? Thanks.

Just because I have declared my lack of fangirlism, does not mean that you have read it, when you are calling out the fans.

 Desubot wrote:
Is there a source for the no recoil and lightness?
Edit also we already have long distance drones that shoot guided missiles. /trollface

Not self aware though.

I can't remember where exactly the no recoil comes from ( tau codex I think), but I remember it talking about how the only thing which had any sort of recoil was the burst cannon, and even that was easily corrected. I'll see if I can find the quote

For all people talking about physiology... Think of all these made to fit human purposes.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Is there a source for the no recoil and lightness?
Edit also we already have long distance drones that shoot guided missiles. /trollface

Not self aware though.

I can't remember where exactly the no recoil comes from ( tau codex I think), but I remember it talking about how the only thing which had any sort of recoil was the burst cannon, and even that was easily corrected. I'll see if I can find the quote

It was a US military policy of droning joke (too soon?)

But yeah i can imagine if it is a coil gun that the system would kinda not have too much recoil but something of that nature will require constant repairs and replacement for the coil mechanism which would be pretty bad for prolonged wars (hypothetically)

Also to add im not 100% sure but lasguns can be fired in the non visible spectrum while the pulse weapons are always visible IIRC which would also be bad when you get spotted (still hypothetical)

I think if i really wanted something cool from Tau it would be the Smart Missile systems.

being able to fire without exposing your self would be exceptionally beneficial


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 Da Stormlord wrote:
For all people talking about physiology... Think of all these made to fit human purposes.

Including space marine equipment that require black carapace type inputs and or psychic input?

Aren't SMS reliant on marker lights.

Kinda like... laser guided missiles?

 Bobthehero wrote:
Aren't SMS reliant on marker lights.

Kinda like... laser guided missiles?

That is the seeker missiles (which we already have)

Smart missile systems are mini missile drones that find its own targets and asplod things in grenade sized chunks.

 Desubot wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Is there a source for the no recoil and lightness?
Edit also we already have long distance drones that shoot guided missiles. /trollface

Not self aware though.

I can't remember where exactly the no recoil comes from ( tau codex I think), but I remember it talking about how the only thing which had any sort of recoil was the burst cannon, and even that was easily corrected. I'll see if I can find the quote

It was a US military policy of droning joke (too soon?)

But yeah i can imagine if it is a coil gun that the system would kinda not have too much recoil but something of that nature will require constant repairs and replacement for the coil mechanism which would be pretty bad for prolonged wars (hypothetically)

Also to add im not 100% sure but lasguns can be fired in the non visible spectrum while the pulse weapons are always visible IIRC which would also be bad when you get spotted (still hypothetical)

I think if i really wanted something cool from Tau it would be the Smart Missile systems.

being able to fire without exposing your self would be exceptionally beneficial

Probebly not much more than what you have to do with a regular gun though. The tau seem to do fine. And there wouldn't really be any wear-'n-tear on the barrel eithe, being a coil gun not a railgun.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Probebly not much more than what you have to do with a regular gun though. The tau seem to do fine. And there wouldn't really be any wear-'n-tear on the barrel eithe, being a coil gun not a railgun.

Coil guns would still have barrel warpage after a while. and we have no clue how many shots these things are doing and what there actual maintenance regiment is. as well Tau are the hit and run type of army that doesnt stay intrenched for long periods of time like our (us at least) does.

you forgot marker lights

 IHateNids wrote:
I would like to take a moment to add a new option to this debate: Thallax. Or by extension; Legio Cybernetica in general.

Unmanned, AI-driven, incredibly resilient mech platforms not vastly larger than humans that come toting jetpacks. You don't even need to be able to equip them with the Photon Thrusters or Lightning Guns (although it would help seeing as how a reasonable reactor would be necessary to achieve maximal efficiency.)

A Cohort of about 12 of these could be dropped from a C-17 or other already used deployment method from high altitude, land safely, be driven either by AI or via long-range radio much like Drones, allowing them to inflict heavy damage, before being powered down once the mission was complete and retrieved for later use.

Aside from the fact we're almost there with Cybernetics, and possess the necessary cover-ignoring technology already, the reactor alone would provide a massive boost to mankind.


Other than that, Land Speeders. Anti-grav with a big-ass gun which we have several versions of already. Think humvee at 100+ mph.

Uh, Thallax aren't autonomous. And I don't know if you're going to have a fun time trying to either enlist or conscript people to have their hearts and brains ripped out to power the "robots".

 kronk wrote:
I would like to run around in terminator armor.

LOLOLOLOLS!!!!! you cant run in that period!


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 Da Stormlord wrote:
Would anyone like me to add more options to the poll? (please tell me these.)

create 2 polls.

Which of the Immaterium of Man technologies would be the best to research and develop given limited resources to only choose funding for 1?

Which of the alien technology if captured should we reverse engineer with our limited resources?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
I would like to take a moment to add a new option to this debate: Thallax. Or by extension; Legio Cybernetica in general.

Spoiler:

Unmanned, AI-driven, incredibly resilient mech platforms not vastly larger than humans that come toting jetpacks. You don't even need to be able to equip them with the Photon Thrusters or Lightning Guns (although it would help seeing as how a reasonable reactor would be necessary to achieve maximal efficiency.)

A Cohort of about 12 of these could be dropped from a C-17 or other already used deployment method from high altitude, land safely, be driven either by AI or via long-range radio much like Drones, allowing them to inflict heavy damage, before being powered down once the mission was complete and retrieved for later use.

Aside from the fact we're almost there with Cybernetics, and possess the necessary cover-ignoring technology already, the reactor alone would provide a massive boost to mankind.


Other than that, Land Speeders. Anti-grav with a big-ass gun which we have several versions of already. Think humvee at 100+ mph.

Uh, Thallax aren't autonomous. And I don't know if you're going to have a fun time trying to either enlist or conscript people to have their hearts and brains ripped out to power the "robots".

Yikes... didn't know that the Thallax were bio-driven, I thought they were mechs... whoops.

Either way, the frame itself would be worth something, and we could conceivably make them autonomous, as long as we had the reactor to power them.

As for conscripting people into their ranks, death row convicts could be given that option, possibly like the Nights Watch from GoT, if the situation dictated it

Good luck getting non-transhumanists to sign up for this to be done to their body. Nevermind having your emotions crippled and left a bloodthristy killer.

Everyone hold your horses. You've missed off an extremely important piece of tech from the 40k universe which would be a game changer.

Void Shields.

Fortresses would become viable again and hell, imagine ships or tanks with Void Shields. Military-wise, everything would change.

Also, it would also help us advance our space exploration with reliable protection from micro-asteroids etc.