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I just finished a tourney running the following 1850...

Adamantine Lance (errant/errant/paladin - all stock)

Skitarii Maniple
6 Rangers (warlord here)
6 Vanguard, 2 arc rifles
4 Dragoons
3 Dune Crawlers with 2 Icarus array, 1 phosphor blaster, 3 cognis stubbers

Smashed a draigo cent star game 1, a dark eldar boat spam game 2, lost to an IG blob+cypher game 3 and a WWP wraithdrop game 4 then beat a IG blob + sisters game 5.

I only lost game 4 by a few points and the sneaky trick that list pulled is why I lost - poor planning on my part. Game 4 I just did not have enough buble wrap to stop the WWP drop with multiple WG units

So I have every unit required for the Convocation minus the Knight.

 godardc wrote:
If you don't use drop pod for your skitarii, would you still put special weapons on your vanguard ? And would they still be better than the rangers ?
I understand why they are better in drop pod, but without, I'm afread they die before shooting.

yes I would put special weapons on my Vanguard, but I wouldnt put plasma on them, just arc rifles.

yes I would still take mostly Vanguard and very few rangers. They still get scout, are still more deadly, and are still 20% cheaper than rangers.

 Exergy wrote:

 godardc wrote:
If you don't use drop pod for your skitarii, would you still put special weapons on your vanguard ? And would they still be better than the rangers ?
I understand why they are better in drop pod, but without, I'm afread they die before shooting.

yes I would put special weapons on my Vanguard, but I wouldnt put plasma on them, just arc rifles.

yes I would still take mostly Vanguard and very few rangers. They still get scout, are still more deadly, and are still 20% cheaper than rangers.

The 12" Scout move seriously helps Vanguards. They're a lot faster than you think.

They only scout 6.

My bad, 6", I was thinking of the Ironstriders for some reason...

Its fine, just learned that myself recently haha

Still too many rules and nuances of the rules to keep track of. I still haven't had a proper game with it yet :/

 Enigwolf wrote:
My bad, 6", I was thinking of the Ironstriders for some reason...

Iron strider also only scouts 6"

Has anything been established as far as what the most effective weapons for the Dominus are? I'm personally thinking Macrostubber and the AP3 blast weapon. Volkite just seems like it isn't really going to kill anything besides GEQ.

Ran the War Convocation at a 1850 tournament last weekend. Had only one game with admech before the tournament.

Went 2-1, tabling two and a narrow loss to the third opponent.
Mainly because of a lack of mobility.
That being said, the war convocation firepower is incredible. I took out a necron army with Destroyer cult and 2x6 wraiths as well as a double WK eldar with jetbikes.

I am reworking my list to try and address my mobility issue.

Deshkar wrote:
Ran the War Convocation at a 1850 tournament last weekend. Had only one game with admech before the tournament.

Went 2-1, tabling two and a narrow loss to the third opponent.
Mainly because of a lack of mobility.
That being said, the war convocation firepower is incredible. I took out a necron army with Destroyer cult and 2x6 wraiths as well as a double WK eldar with jetbikes.

I am reworking my list to try and address my mobility issue.

Your tournament allowed two WK/LOWs in a game?

I'm just happy you won against someone with no honor.

Never was an issue with us. I took out both WK by turn 2.

Deshkar wrote:
Never was an issue with us. I took out both WK by turn 2.

What with?

Deshkar wrote:
Ran the War Convocation at a 1850 tournament last weekend. Had only one game with admech before the tournament.

Went 2-1, tabling two and a narrow loss to the third opponent.
Mainly because of a lack of mobility.
That being said, the war convocation firepower is incredible. I took out a necron army with Destroyer cult and 2x6 wraiths as well as a double WK eldar with jetbikes.

I am reworking my list to try and address my mobility issue.

Did you run your Skitarii units or some of the Kataphrons in pods? I hear that really makes the list.

 Enigwolf wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
Never was an issue with us. I took out both WK by turn 2.

What with?

Probably grav destroyers/Vanguard

Yeah. Grav Destroyers and Vanguard's Rad took the WK out easily even despite 3++ cover.

No. I do not like the pods, as I could lose out on canticles numbers if I go 2nd. I just played extremely aggressive with my deployment and movement.

Points allowance are very tight for me to make changes, but gonna try. Mobility is a bigger issue but I don't think pods are the answer, atleast not for my meta.

Deshkar wrote:
Yeah. Grav Destroyers and Vanguard's Rad took the WK out easily even despite 3++ cover.

No. I do not like the pods, as I could lose out on canticles numbers if I go 2nd. I just played extremely aggressive with my deployment and movement.

Points allowance are very tight for me to make changes, but gonna try. Mobility is a bigger issue but I don't think pods are the answer, atleast not for my meta.

Considering if you have to go second turn, you probably have to hide your delicate units anyways.

Which probably means they are in a bad position and need to rely on their lack of mobility the rest of the game.

Atleast with drop pods they are safer turn 1/2 and will get to their turn 1 ready to go or turn 2 safe. Even if that means one level lower on canticles it isn't a bad trade off.

Yea with Shrouded as opposed to Stealth+Shrouded anything in a 4+ cover will get a 2+ anyways. Only thing it will effect is stuff in forests or other 5+ covers, getting a 3+ as opposed to a 2+.

Could try BA fast Rhinos? SM Rhinos? Valkyries?

plasma vanguard in rhinos seems like a good idea but hasn't worked so well for me in practice

I refuse to use drop pods with the Mechanicus/Skitarii army that I am building. It is wrong and bad.

How do Proper and Right Mechanicus/Skitarii foot infantry hold up with the Canticles giving them (all of them, in the Convocation) a good cover save for a turn? Or an invuln save, in that formation the watchamaccalit.

Alcibiades wrote:
I refuse to use drop pods with the Mechanicus/Skitarii army that I am building. It is wrong and bad.

How do Proper and Right Mechanicus/Skitarii foot infantry hold up with the Canticles giving them (all of them, in the Convocation) a good cover save for a turn? Or an invuln save, in that formation the watchamaccalit.

It does fine, it is just that your opponent can react to your engagement distances is the problem.

TuddFudders wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
I refuse to use drop pods with the Mechanicus/Skitarii army that I am building. It is wrong and bad.

How do Proper and Right Mechanicus/Skitarii foot infantry hold up with the Canticles giving them (all of them, in the Convocation) a good cover save for a turn? Or an invuln save, in that formation the watchamaccalit.

It does fine, it is just that your opponent can react to your engagement distances is the problem.

Ah, so the issue is that the opponent can stay out of range of their 18" guns?

my opinion is that if i put two units in drop pods, it just makes it easier for my opponent to decide who to kill.
and all admech are pretty much fragile. I usually rather force decisions.

Oh instead of using pods, i ran the SM Librarius Conclave. Perfect Timing+Prescience gave my Kataphrons insane firepower to delete units, while having Invisibility allowed my melee units to tie up opposing deathstars.

Deshkar wrote:
my opinion is that if i put two units in drop pods, it just makes it easier for my opponent to decide who to kill.
and all admech are pretty much fragile. I usually rather force decisions.

Oh instead of using pods, i ran the SM Librarius Conclave. Perfect Timing+Prescience gave my Kataphrons insane firepower to delete units, while having Invisibility allowed my melee units to tie up opposing deathstars.

This is why you take three drop pods. Get 2 units dropping turn 1.

 ultimentra wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
my opinion is that if i put two units in drop pods, it just makes it easier for my opponent to decide who to kill.
and all admech are pretty much fragile. I usually rather force decisions.

Oh instead of using pods, i ran the SM Librarius Conclave. Perfect Timing+Prescience gave my Kataphrons insane firepower to delete units, while having Invisibility allowed my melee units to tie up opposing deathstars.

This is why you take three drop pods. Get 2 units dropping turn 1.

Except that Canticles counts your units before your Drop Pods drop. So you're already down 2 units for the purposes of calculating your unit count for Canticles.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
my opinion is that if i put two units in drop pods, it just makes it easier for my opponent to decide who to kill.
and all admech are pretty much fragile. I usually rather force decisions.

Oh instead of using pods, i ran the SM Librarius Conclave. Perfect Timing+Prescience gave my Kataphrons insane firepower to delete units, while having Invisibility allowed my melee units to tie up opposing deathstars.

This is why you take three drop pods. Get 2 units dropping turn 1.

Except that Canticles counts your units before your Drop Pods drop. So you're already down 2 units for the purposes of calculating your unit count for Canticles.

So? In most cases the level 2 power is just as good as the level 3 one.

 ultimentra wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
my opinion is that if i put two units in drop pods, it just makes it easier for my opponent to decide who to kill.
and all admech are pretty much fragile. I usually rather force decisions.

Oh instead of using pods, i ran the SM Librarius Conclave. Perfect Timing+Prescience gave my Kataphrons insane firepower to delete units, while having Invisibility allowed my melee units to tie up opposing deathstars.

This is why you take three drop pods. Get 2 units dropping turn 1.

Except that Canticles counts your units before your Drop Pods drop. So you're already down 2 units for the purposes of calculating your unit count for Canticles.

So? In most cases the level 2 power is just as good as the level 3 one.

Yeah, if you don't need the level 3 power, then fair, level 2 does quite as well. But it all depends on your local meta, too. My local meta had very little area terrain granting cover, or terrain for that matter. So having level 3 from the get-go is important. But if you have 4+/5+ cover all around aplenty, then your level 2 would be sufficient.

 ultimentra wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
my opinion is that if i put two units in drop pods, it just makes it easier for my opponent to decide who to kill.
and all admech are pretty much fragile. I usually rather force decisions.

Oh instead of using pods, i ran the SM Librarius Conclave. Perfect Timing+Prescience gave my Kataphrons insane firepower to delete units, while having Invisibility allowed my melee units to tie up opposing deathstars.

This is why you take three drop pods. Get 2 units dropping turn 1.

Not good for me. I expect to face wraithstars, Triple Knights, 1-2 wraithknight, twc spam, bike stars, Khorne MC/hounds who all will welcome me coming closer to them.
Meta differences perhaps.

There's a lot of terrain in my gaming area, but as a I prefer aggressive deployment, I prefer the full Shroudspalm buff. 2++ is awesome.

Some ad mech thoughts I'd love advice on.

- even including allies, where do players find their dominus goes best with? He's so generalist I feel like he is wasted wherever I put him.

- has anyone thought about putting destroyers or breachers in allied rhinos for alpha strike protection and mobility?