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I run:

Vanguard - Pater Radium (-1T + Toughness Test = yum)

Rangers - Skull of Elder Nikola (for those pesky vehicles that get in your back field, or if you advance late in the game)

Ruststalkers - Omniscient Mask (Zealot is just too good for them - not running and getting to reroll misses when you charge is great)

Infiltrators - Phosphoenix (you want to be in 6" to debuff enemies anyway, and lumigen is useful in a pinch)

Dominus - Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land (IWND on the Dominus and any unit it joins is great - have him follow around your vehicles and laugh at incoming fire, or join him with multiple wound models and help them survive)

I havent really found the Autocaduceus usefull on the dominus other than when its in the Kastellan formation,

I prefer the Rainment for the snapshooting

Scyerskull for the Dominus is the most useful from my games atleast.

The IWND one is only going to get its use when playing with the Kastellans. Which is amazing in 1500 point or lower games where your not running a War Convocation and instead a Cybernatica Cohort.

Now the Cognis one is still extremely useful depending on the unit you put it on, even having Transanic Arq rifles with cognis on the rangers makes them decent Anti-air.

But I still feel Scyerskull for the Dominus is the best. I attach him to the Rangers, they reroll the backfield objective they camp hoping for Skyfire nexus thus not needing cognis mostly. The Scryerskull helps killing vehicles with the knight's weapons, trans arq rifles, and just generally makes the targeted vehicle most likely going to die. If that vehicle is a another Imperial knight then this is huge.

Though the real reason I attach the Dominus to a backyard unit which seems like a waste of points is that often most opponents will deep strike units behind the rangers to blow them away. In that case, the Dominus is positioned in a way he would be the closest if a unit deep strikes behind and he can eat all the shots on a 2+ invul with that one item. Gives you a turn to turnaround and deny him easy back field objectives.

So from playtest experience what are players working and not working with ad mech? For me I love kataphron destroyers and we're crushing to anything they looked at but melted out of cover. Breachers were wholey underwhelming as a unit of three is only 6 shots at BS 3, not a game changer. Other playtest thoughts?

I've have sub par performance out of both my destroyers and breaches. On the other hand my Kastelans have become well known at my flgs for being just stupid hard to budge

*I may have also gotten some lucky rolls on saves and reflected some devastating shots back at opponents*

The only army I've had trouble with is a demon force featuring horrors, fateweaver, some named great unclean one, double soul grinders, a chariot of some sort, and a nurgle DP. The list just steam rolled me.

Breachers didn't knock off a single hull point the soulgrinders. 2+ invuls kept me from putting wounds on almost anything with destroyers or kastelans. The horrors were stashed way in backfield behind cover and my infiltrators were flamed to death by them. Also the chariot and some summoned screamers wiped out my two vanguard squads before they could get a shot off.

Honest it feels like was just out played and I know I brought a sub optimal list, what with a firestorm redoubt and a void sheild generator, but I couldn't even put up a fight. Had I not conceded at the bottom of turn 3 I would have been tabled with only having killed a squad of meatshield nurglings.

Any advice on how to better handle this type of list or demons in general with admech would be welcome as I'm very unfamiliar with demons.

Interesting takes on the relics, men. Appreciate the input! Getting first game in with the War Convocation tomorrow, exciting stuff.

Got my Dunecrawler today, only a Knight, RustStalkers, and a Dragoon away from having my War Convocation.

 ultimentra wrote:
Got my Dunecrawler today, only a Knight, RustStalkers, and a Dragoon away from having my War Convocation.

3 steps away from pure happiness.

Just played a game against GK.

Here are my thoughts-

1. Skitarii NEED a more effective way of moving up. I was losing squads before they could get into Arc Rifle range, let alone Radium Carbine range.
2. It is pathetic that Sicarians are T3. A single Psycannon Purgation Squad and a Dreadknight wiped out two squads in cover in one turn.
3. Intelligent use of cover is necessary for Ad Mech. T3 4+ is far too fragile to be out in the open.
4. Tech-Priest Dominus with Cognis in front of a Gravaphron squad is amazing. He ate the entire enemy army's shotting for two turns without taking a wound, but eventually died horribly on turn 3.

Most people are putting their worthwhile Skitarii units in pods. If you know your opponent will be coming to you, sticking to cover and using Shroudpsalm on them from your war convocation bonus is made easier, but if the majority of their force is going to sit back then pods are easiest answer.

Pods are just too cheap and safe, the admech need something akin to a Rhino or Chimera. If you want to wait until the next AM dex we'll probably get FA chimeras for your Skitarii. I plan on making at least a couple in Mechanicus colors just for that purpose when the day comes.

Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one hoping for FA Chimeras in the next IG codex so I can put my metal men in metal bawkses. I could just use rhinos but, at the point why not just use pods. That I would have to buy then while I already have 8 chimeras

In the meantime, what are thoughts on vanguard in valkyries or vendettas. Potentially with IG preist or psykers? I'm planning to use a list like this soon for a 1500 unbound tourny so wanted some feed back.

Was thinking of using as a base for the list.
x2 vendetta w/ x5 Vanguard w/primaris or preist
1 valkyrie w/ x10 vanguard w/primaris AND preist

 Verviedi wrote:
Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

Why refuse if you get a 6? It's not that good! Strategic warlord traits are a million times better

 Verviedi wrote:
Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

The 6 really isn't that good.... It only affects the Dominoe's unit.

Either way your opponent are pansies then if they can't beat a glass cannon army.

 Wilson wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

Why refuse if you get a 6? It's not that good! Strategic warlord traits are a million times better

When you're running 3 Ad Mech units in a Skitarii force, having the Warlord's unit counting as though you had the full 8+ is kind of a big deal.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

Why refuse if you get a 6? It's not that good! Strategic warlord traits are a million times better

When you're running 3 Ad Mech units in a Skitarii force, having the Warlord's unit counting as though you had the full 8+ is kind of a big deal.

If that one unit is say a cybernetica cohort worth 800 points all the more.

 Verviedi wrote:
Just played a game against GK.

Here are my thoughts-

1. Skitarii NEED a more effective way of moving up. I was losing squads before they could get into Arc Rifle range, let alone Radium Carbine range.
2. It is pathetic that Sicarians are T3. A single Psycannon Purgation Squad and a Dreadknight wiped out two squads in cover in one turn.
3. Intelligent use of cover is necessary for Ad Mech. T3 4+ is far too fragile to be out in the open.
4. Tech-Priest Dominus with Cognis in front of a Gravaphron squad is amazing. He ate the entire enemy army's shotting for two turns without taking a wound, but eventually died horribly on turn 3.

Yea, the bane of the army are flamers/heavy flamers. GK flamers are all that much worse

Though not quite sure how you're not outranging their flamers. I mean if you're playing GK, their ranged is terrible, you can just wait for them to come to you

They were camping the one objective. I was playing a modified planetstrike scenario, I rolled a bad board tile for deployment, and my orbital bombardment whiffed.

Ah, that would do it

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

Why refuse if you get a 6? It's not that good! Strategic warlord traits are a million times better

When you're running 3 Ad Mech units in a Skitarii force, having the Warlord's unit counting as though you had the full 8+ is kind of a big deal.

It is still barely broken as just being confined to the warlord unit is a fair enough. Only really good if it was the Cohort.

TuddFudders wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Chimeras do seem excellent for transports.
I'm not running Convocation due to having no money for a knight, so I'm basically screwed on Canticles. (And my opponent refuses to play against my AdMech if I roll a 6 on my Dominus' warlord traits)
I'm basically running on extreme self-nerfing due to many of my opponents believing AdMech is Eldar-tier broken.

Why refuse if you get a 6? It's not that good! Strategic warlord traits are a million times better

When you're running 3 Ad Mech units in a Skitarii force, having the Warlord's unit counting as though you had the full 8+ is kind of a big deal.

It is still barely broken as just being confined to the warlord unit is a fair enough. Only really good if it was the Cohort.

To a point, I would agree--but I would also posit that a minimum of 3 AdMech units in a Skitarii force with one of those units consistently having 8+ for Canticles is still a big deal.

Stupid Idea:

Dunecrawlers are very wide and low to the ground to the point that they grant a cover save to units behind them while still allowing the protected units to shoot. To a certain extent, the Dunecrawler can actually block all LOS to the unit behind it.

So, would using a Dunecrawler with, say, an Erad Beamer and Cognis Manipulator as a mobile cover brick for a squad of Vanguard be viable?

Would be a slow unit as the Dunecrawler has to be out front and cant run

 Verviedi wrote:
Stupid Idea:

Dunecrawlers are very wide and low to the ground to the point that they grant a cover save to units behind them while still allowing the protected units to shoot. To a certain extent, the Dunecrawler can actually block all LOS to the unit behind it.

So, would using a Dunecrawler with, say, an Erad Beamer and Cognis Manipulator as a mobile cover brick for a squad of Vanguard be viable?

Vanguard need to get up the midfield at least to make noise. keep them in ruins and behind LOS terrain, most comp boards should have atleast 3-4 medium/large sized ruins.

Ok, good to know. I'll test that unit in a game and get back to you on it.

Now, what do you think about the Holy Requisitioner and Elimination Maniple formations? I'm thinking that the HR formation is a death sentence for IG, and the EM is really going to create a Jetbike Murder Simulator.

I recently played a game with the elimination maniple and it was not the greatest. One, grav kataphron and phosphor weapons don't want the same targets. Two, when armor 3 or worse was the target, the formation was nothing but wasted overkill. I think other than to avoid an HQ tax it's pretty useless.

Good day mars!

So I want to run a Cybernetic Cohort with marines. My question is in your opinion supports about 750 points of the cohort played to hold center table etc. Lets assume competitive. I honestly would like to stick with Imp Fists as it is my 30k marine army.

What's the best way for the war convocation to deal with the farsighted bomb? Like many of you, I can't get much cover, and I have a hard time getting units across the board to do the damage they need to do. They always seem to out shoot me as well.

Starting to rethink the wisdom of double Icarus Crawlers in my War Convocation, at least for my local meta.

They're pretty bad if you dont face flyers, which there are not a lot of in my meta

Think I'll just swap them over to double neutron lasers.

I love my Neutronager. It always does catastrophic damage to whatever it hits.