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Nastase, as pointed out in the linked article earlier, doesn't really count in the new fluff, as he has been replaced by Tigurius,

But, knowing 40K and GW, this is unlikely to be canon, especially since Varro Tigurius is the Chief Librarian during the dates that Nastase supposedly also holds the same rank...

Also, in the same article, the Ultramarines of Macragge were said to be a chapter of the THIRD FOUNDING raised to replace the 13th Legion who had turned traitor and fled to the Eye of Terror, and this new chapter received all of the paraphernalia of the old legion. ULTIMATE HERESY *BLAM*

 statu wrote:
Nastase, as pointed out in the linked article earlier, doesn't really count in the new fluff, as he has been replaced by Tigurius,

But, knowing 40K and GW, this is unlikely to be canon, especially since Varro Tigurius is the Chief Librarian during the dates that Nastase supposedly also holds the same rank...

Also, in the same article, the Ultramarines of Macragge were said to be a chapter of the THIRD FOUNDING raised to replace the 13th Legion who had turned traitor and fled to the Eye of Terror, and this new chapter received all of the paraphernalia of the old legion. ULTIMATE HERESY *BLAM*

And what part of any of that negates the Human-Eldar hybrids in current GW fiction? All you are saying is because some of the fiction has been replaced, all of the fiction that hasn't been replaced should be ignored. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 statu wrote:
Nastase, as pointed out in the linked article earlier, doesn't really count in the new fluff, as he has been replaced by Tigurius,

But, knowing 40K and GW, this is unlikely to be canon, especially since Varro Tigurius is the Chief Librarian during the dates that Nastase supposedly also holds the same rank...

Also, in the same article, the Ultramarines of Macragge were said to be a chapter of the THIRD FOUNDING raised to replace the 13th Legion who had turned traitor and fled to the Eye of Terror, and this new chapter received all of the paraphernalia of the old legion. ULTIMATE HERESY *BLAM*

And what part of any of that negates the Human-Eldar hybrids in current GW fiction? All you are saying is because some of the fiction has been replaced, all of the fiction that hasn't been replaced should be ignored. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

SJ

Name one other example of an eldar human hybrid

There is only one named hybrid so far in 40k lore, although a few are mentioned. One named character is all that matters, though, if you can't disprove that one character ... which you can't.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
There is only one named hybrid so far in 40k lore, although a few are mentioned. One named character is all that matters, though, if you can't disprove that one character ... which you can't.

SJ

It already has been disproved. He was apparantly the chief librarian of the Ultramarines, but the dates it says he was, Tiberius was.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
There is only one named hybrid so far in 40k lore, although a few are mentioned. One named character is all that matters, though, if you can't disprove that one character ... which you can't.

SJ

So that character is removed from the fluff, and replaced by someone else, meaning they don't exist, but that somehow means that said character hasn't been disproved? If you read Nastase's fluff it is completely inconsistent with the current fluff. He has been retconned out

He's the Chief Astropath, not the Chief Librarian. Try again.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
He's the Chief Astropath, not the Chief Librarian. Try again.

SJ

He was an astronauts who became chief librarian, try again

Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

That hamster poo might have helped the orks.

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Eldar are a fictional race in a game with models. Let me ask, why are Elves immortal? Why do trolls turn to stone? Why do Dragons breathe fire in seven different kinds of ways? Why is Valerian steel better than other steel? What causes a Splicer to use a power he wasn't born with? How does a TIE fighter screech in the vacuum of space?

These are all made up things and taking them apart at such a ridiculously fine detail is ridiculous. So I'm going to say there's little hamsters that pooped on their DNA and now it doesn't deteriorate. Prove me wrong.

This with less sarcasm.....

Since your a DNA expert. I ask you this. The Current Human DNA strand has the potential to hold vast amouts of genetic information, more than is seemingly used. So the old ones being so vastly intelligent could they not have programed all of the Eldar qualities in a smaller DNA strand?

Fantasy and Sci-fi of the Grimdark doen't translate well into real world science. It's what ever you'd like it to be. you'd be lucky if GW writers follow relativity and time dilation near blackholes, which is only theory.

Chief librarian astropath, but also, the imperium is massively xenophobic, how would he survive to be able to climb to that rank? From what I understand way back when the imperium was nothing like it is today, allowing for fun stuff like him to exist, in the modern imperium he would have been shot. Then there's the modern version they have of biology as ImAGeek pointed out. How can a double helix dna combine with a quintuple helix dna? Or what about the bases? They have 20, we have 4.

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

Xenology is newer, however, it does not show a biological impossibility. It shows a biological improbability. The existence of the character proves the possibility.

SJ

There is no way quintuple helix DNA with 20 bases could hybridise with 2 helix DNA with 4 base pairs. It's impossible. Not improbable, impossible.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

Xenology is newer, however, it does not show a biological impossibility. It shows a biological improbability. The existence of the character proves the possibility.

SJ

How is it only a 'biological improbability'?

 statu wrote:

Spoiler:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

Xenology is newer, however, it does not show a biological impossibility. It shows a biological improbability. The existence of the character proves the possibility.

SJ

How is it only a 'biological improbability'?

Because the character exists?

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 statu wrote:

Spoiler:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

Xenology is newer, however, it does not show a biological impossibility. It shows a biological improbability. The existence of the character proves the possibility.

SJ

How is it only a 'biological improbability'?

Because the character exists?

SJ

Not anymore. Because he can't, through biology, chemistry...

Species on earth can't even hybridise if they're too divergent and they all have the same double helix with the same four bases. It's impossile, biologically. They aren't genetically compatible. Let it go, you're basing your argument on fluff older than I am. Things change.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 statu wrote:

Spoiler:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

Xenology is newer, however, it does not show a biological impossibility. It shows a biological improbability. The existence of the character proves the possibility.

SJ

How is it only a 'biological improbability'?

Because the character exists?

SJ

Ooh, wrong tense , he existed during first edition, but now he no longer does

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 statu wrote:

Spoiler:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:He was appointed Chief of Macragge's Interstellar Communications in 965.M41, not Chief Librarian of the Ultramarine Chapter of Space Marines, which was already held by Varro Tigurius. Try again.

SJ

ImAGeek wrote:Also, in Xenology, Eldar have a quintuple helix DNA, with 20 bases (compared to our 4), which would be incompatible with ours.

So Eldar/Human hybrids are a biological and chemical impossibility. How does that not disprove it.

The existence of the character proves it is not only biologically possible, it already biologically occured.

SJ

Xenology is newer and shows its biologically impossible, thus invalidating the old fluff.

Xenology is newer, however, it does not show a biological impossibility. It shows a biological improbability. The existence of the character proves the possibility.

SJ

How is it only a 'biological improbability'?

Because the character exists?

SJ

The character existed in RT era / 1st ED, but has since become non-viable due to multiple changes to the lore which mean that he wouldn't exist, can't exist, or is totally unfeasible.

Is this seriously that hard for you to grasp? Do you need a letter stating "This character is no-longer cannon" personally signed by the offer before you'll accept it?

More likely than not you're just being difficult for the sake of being a pain in the ass, but I have to have at least a small amount of hope in humanity.

Is it seriously that had for you to grasp that GW has never once stated that any of their fluff is invalid, or superseded, unless they specifically do so? GW has stated that they do not recognize "canon", that all of their printed material is valid unless there is a specific conflict, in which case the more recent version is correct. Nastase has never been updated, nor has his backstory become invalidated by a more recent publication.
And while GW has further "fleshed out" Eldar biology in recent publications, they still continue to mention Eldar-Human hybrids in their other publications. So, regardless of the Eldar super-stack DNA, they can and have interbreed with humans in the published 40k universe. As such, and barrng a more specific explanation as to why, humans and Eldar must share a common ancestor at some point in their history, specifically less than 6,5 million years ago, and most likely within the last 50,000 to 100,000 years.

You cannot use the published biology of the Eldar to disprove the existence of a character that exists. You can disprove the existence of such a character by citing an article from GW telling us to ignore RT era fluff, or an updated published story to changes Nastase's parentage, or a retraction by GW stating that Eldar and Humans cannot interbreed despite the number of references to such in heir 30 years of publications.

TL;DR, you cannot prove Nastase does not exist when he has a printed backstory published by GW, along with a model. You can only attempt prove that his backstory was retracted, if it ever was. Citing the difference between Eldar and a Human biology makes no difference due to the existence of any hybrids in the 40k setting, of which there is one named, and at least one more that has gone unnamed.

So, cite your proof, or agree to disagree.

SJ

How about then, you cite your proof for the other hybrids

I've cited my proof.

 statu wrote:
How about then, you cite your proof for the other hybrids

The other unnamed female doesn't prove nor disprove anything, other than GW authors still entertain the subject. The fact that one named character does exist, and GW has not retracted, nor updated the character's backstory makes the one named character relevant.

As in, I don't have to cite more than one example, if you can't disprove that one example.

SJ

I already have disproved it though.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 statu wrote:
How about then, you cite your proof for the other hybrids

The other unnamed female doesn't prove nor disprove anything, other than GW authors still entertain the subject. The fact that one named character does exist, and GW has not retracted, nor updated the character's backstory makes the one named character relevant.

As in, I don't have to cite more than one example, if you can't disprove that one example.

SJ

As in if said other example is pre xenology, which disproves the idea of hybrids, then no they make no difference. If however that source is post xenology then they make a massive difference

 ImAGeek wrote:
I've cited my proof.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I already have disproved it though.

If you say so. I haven't noted a single piece of cited proof from anyone, including yourself.

 statu wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 statu wrote:
How about then, you cite your proof for the other hybrids

The other unnamed female doesn't prove nor disprove anything, other than GW authors still entertain the subject. The fact that one named character does exist, and GW has not retracted, nor updated the character's backstory makes the one named character relevant.

As in, I don't have to cite more than one example, if you can't disprove that one example.

SJ

As in if said other example is pre xenology, which disproves the idea of hybrids, then no they make no difference. If however that source is post xenology then they make a massive difference

As I pointed out, the Xenology does not prove the impossibility of hybrids, it only demonstrates an improbability of hybrids. Since Nastase exists, and has not been retracted nor retconned, the improbability of his existence does not counter the fact that he does exist. Please cite a single line of text that states Humans and Eldar cannot interbreed naturally, and I will concede. Failure to cite such a line of text from GW will be accepted as you conceding the argument.

SJ