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2015/04/16 22:41:25
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Empire in Flames still stands the test of GWery...
There is plenty of support for Skirmish, if you know where to look.
Best way to play fantasy as a start. We had one summer where we started with one box of the base troops, back when it came with 24, the box was plenty enough to make the starts of base regimentals, then using Mighty Empires, we started up on evolution games, as well as exploratory / monster fight games.
Its great fun if you have the mates and the resources to have 4 and 8 ft tables...
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2015/04/17 01:24:57
Subject: WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Chopxsticks wrote: Man I dont know how people are not just jazzing out about this!! Ive wanted to play a skirmish game for a long while using Warhammer models. GW's model although a little pricy are so nice to work with and kit bash, my mind is exploding at the possibilities. I think it will be nice to have more center piece models as well. Painting 50 of the same core model is dreadful..
I think those people all already played the skirmish rules for fantasy back when they where supported and remember how that turned out in the end.
Awesome, until they dropped Mordheim.
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Chopxsticks wrote: Man I dont know how people are not just jazzing out about this!! Ive wanted to play a skirmish game for a long while using Warhammer models. GW's model although a little pricy are so nice to work with and kit bash, my mind is exploding at the possibilities. I think it will be nice to have more center piece models as well. Painting 50 of the same core model is dreadful..
Maybe because most folks no longer trust GW to make even half way decent rules?
Maybe because they are looking at the burning wreckage of decades of background and gaming and believe that the Warhamster Fantasy Bubble is just not going to fill the empty hole left behind?
Maybe because Warhammer had a good skirmish game, and then GW dropped it?
These would be my guesses.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2015/04/17 16:11:20
Subject: WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
If Kirby finds out that you've leaked that he'll try to shut Dakka down!
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2015/04/17 21:39:02
Subject: WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Thank god for this! I have been waiting and waiting for some more info to come forward about WHFB. Looks like this box will be another skaven set!
But seriously I am fairly interested to see what comes of this so called 9th edition. I had a fledgling Wood Elf army that I have only just assembled and am now beginning to paint.
You know, I had heard from the owner of the FLGS that WHFB was going in a new chibi direction, trying to get in on the success of SDE and the Pokemon demographic, but I had written it off as wishlisting. Seeing the new doom-ball like that makes me rethink things.
Wehrkind wrote: You know, I had heard from the owner of the FLGS that WHFB was going in a new chibi direction, trying to get in on the success of SDE and the Pokemon demographic, but I had written it off as wishlisting. Seeing the new doom-ball like that makes me rethink things.
Nah, Pokemon is just a passing phase! It's what our plastic liege decreed, and look at how right he was! Nobody even remembers that whole thing.
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2015/04/18 21:04:42
Subject: WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
No idea if this is news or whatever, I don't play fantasy, just thought I'd put it out there.
All in stock and available in Canada. I think they will simply remove them from their database instead of putting "Temporaly Out of Stock", they will probably put a label "While stock last" before removing them definetly.
Grrr.... Cheese make me fart...
2015/04/19 00:57:43
Subject: WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
No idea if this is news or whatever, I don't play fantasy, just thought I'd put it out there.
All in stock and available in Canada. I think they will simply remove them from their database instead of putting "Temporaly Out of Stock", they will probably put a label "While stock last" before removing them definetly.
This. Those same kits said that a month ago, got a small restock, then were sold out again a week later.
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2015/04/19 02:45:15
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Im a bit immune to all that BS I'm in no rush but its really silly a company of this dimension thinking that it has the flexibility to take sales drops due to lack of publicity.
Well of course, that would be very silly, the thing is their sales don't drop because of a lack of publicity - they have said on numerous occasions that when they experimented with shortening the window between announcement and release, sales went UP each time, so of course they've kept the one-week model because it yields the most sales. If you're going to turn a thread into a moan about GW's marketing at least keep to the facts.
I have no idea where you are getting your info from that sales went up from this.
Personally, i've seen sales drop in half on new releases at my stores, or worse. Lack of advertising will do that. Stores don't do launch parties anymore, or megabattles, painting events, etc to celebrate new releases. How can we? There's no time.
Meanwhile, people are getting excited and talking about all the other games coming out, when they stumble across something new by GW. A lack of excitement = less sales.
No one I've talked to at GW in the US even hints that sales have gone up on new products. Hell, my sales rep can't even tell me anything about the Eldar Codex except price. He won't see it until it comes out. Silly way to run a business.
....and lo!.....The Age of Sigmar came to an end when Saint Veetock and his hamster legions smote the false Sigmar and destroyed the bubbleverse and lead the true believers back to the Old World.
2015/04/19 08:26:04
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Im a bit immune to all that BS I'm in no rush but its really silly a company of this dimension thinking that it has the flexibility to take sales drops due to lack of publicity.
Well of course, that would be very silly, the thing is their sales don't drop because of a lack of publicity - they have said on numerous occasions that when they experimented with shortening the window between announcement and release, sales went UP each time, so of course they've kept the one-week model because it yields the most sales. If you're going to turn a thread into a moan about GW's marketing at least keep to the facts.
I have no idea where you are getting your info from that sales went up from this.
Personally, i've seen sales drop in half on new releases at my stores, or worse. Lack of advertising will do that. Stores don't do launch parties anymore, or megabattles, painting events, etc to celebrate new releases. How can we? There's no time.
Meanwhile, people are getting excited and talking about all the other games coming out, when they stumble across something new by GW. A lack of excitement = less sales.
No one I've talked to at GW in the US even hints that sales have gone up on new products. Hell, my sales rep can't even tell me anything about the Eldar Codex except price. He won't see it until it comes out. Silly way to run a business.
Out of curiosity is the same thing happening to 40k or are you just referring to WFB? If new 40k releases are dropping by 50% or worse in the US then THAT is scary.
I've being playn WHFB since '98. I own 4 armies and I'll get a Fanatic tattoo next month.
All in all,this is what I think of GW and their 9th Ed on round bases and their ETC:
2015/04/24 11:46:31
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
The most reliable Rumormonger out there weighs in on the upcoming WFB 9th Edition. Here’s the latest:
via DVeight 4-22-2015
Warhammer 9th Timing
The source is a GW employee in a senior position. Not design team. Very good friend of mine that has for years been trying to get me to play Warhammer and 40K which I started year ago. He let the cat out of the bag when we discussed teeing up a social game. His words were “Let’s organise a game soon and also some time get together with the other guys for a last game of 8th edition triumph and treachery. 9th Edition is locked in for release on 11th July.”
via Harry 4-22-2015 ~Editor’s note, when Harry says something, you can pretty much take it to the bank.
Regarding the initial 9th “Starter Set”
via jtrowell
If it exists at all, for now the only thing that I consider confirmed is that there should be a box with Chaos against “Humans” (thanks Harry ), but it might well be just a normal starter box released in fall like for the previous editions, and not a separate skirmish game at all.
via Harry
You are most welcome.
I have posted about this. It is not a ‘normal’ Fantasy box set. It is more like the recent 40K Box sets. The rules “book” is tiny… barely a booklet even a pamphlet is being over generous … more of a leaflet … well I say leaflet, it’s closer to a ‘post it note’. There is not enough paper in this to wipe your own @rse … never mind space for enough rules to call it a skirmish game. If Fischer Price made wargames this would be Fischer Price my first wargame. It’s good but it’s not quite Carling.
(I may be overstating just how small the rulebook is for comedy effect. )
via Arthurius11
I can agree with Harry’s last post as this is the information I have also.
~and also confirms round bases for the models.
WFB 9th Roundup
Note that there is contradictory information regarding the exact timing of the WFB 9th and how many 40K codices are coming before it. There are reports of between 2 and 4 codex/campaign 40K products shipping BEFORE WFB 9th arrives.
2015/04/24 17:16:27
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
NAVARRO wrote: Why is that every new little bit of info we hear is more depressing than the previous...
And also more confusing? Each batch of rumors just seem to confirm that I don't understand what the feth is going on with a game I've spent 20 years playing.
But this Mordheim league my club is starting up, I'm totally on top of that
But this Mordheim league my club is starting up, I'm totally on top of that
Played two games of Mordheim this weekend and it was a total blast. If there is a skirmish game coming out alongside 9th, lets hope it is the spiritual successor to Mordheim as that would be great fun.
On to the topic at hand, the only thing I believe is that something fantasy is coming out this year. These rumors keep being so wildly varied and vague that it must be some time off yet. I just wish GW would throw a little morsel out there to give us some sort of idea. I really don't know why they would think keeping completely silent on this until right before it hits could be good. With WD in its current format, they could easily put in a few pieces debriefing from the End Times and setting us up (even if it is just system-wise) for what is coming and why they are doing it.
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2015/04/27 14:51:50
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
But this Mordheim league my club is starting up, I'm totally on top of that
Played two games of Mordheim this weekend and it was a total blast. If there is a skirmish game coming out alongside 9th, lets hope it is the spiritual successor to Mordheim as that would be great fun.
On to the topic at hand, the only thing I believe is that something fantasy is coming out this year. These rumors keep being so wildly varied and vague that it must be some time off yet. I just wish GW would throw a little morsel out there to give us some sort of idea. I really don't know why they would think keeping completely silent on this until right before it hits could be good. With WD in its current format, they could easily put in a few pieces debriefing from the End Times and setting us up (even if it is just system-wise) for what is coming and why they are doing it.
And stop people buying WFB boxes? Are you mad!??! No no, keep silent and then drop it on 'em with a weeks notice to have the money ready, THATS the way to do business
2015/04/27 14:56:50
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Im a bit immune to all that BS I'm in no rush but its really silly a company of this dimension thinking that it has the flexibility to take sales drops due to lack of publicity.
Well of course, that would be very silly, the thing is their sales don't drop because of a lack of publicity - they have said on numerous occasions that when they experimented with shortening the window between announcement and release, sales went UP each time, so of course they've kept the one-week model because it yields the most sales. If you're going to turn a thread into a moan about GW's marketing at least keep to the facts.
I have no idea where you are getting your info from that sales went up from this.
Personally, i've seen sales drop in half on new releases at my stores, or worse. Lack of advertising will do that. Stores don't do launch parties anymore, or megabattles, painting events, etc to celebrate new releases. How can we? There's no time.
Meanwhile, people are getting excited and talking about all the other games coming out, when they stumble across something new by GW. A lack of excitement = less sales.
No one I've talked to at GW in the US even hints that sales have gone up on new products. Hell, my sales rep can't even tell me anything about the Eldar Codex except price. He won't see it until it comes out. Silly way to run a business.
Out of curiosity is the same thing happening to 40k or are you just referring to WFB? If new 40k releases are dropping by 50% or worse in the US then THAT is scary.
Not as bad as WFB, but down by a good chunk. I've still got about 70% of 40k on my shelf, vs about 30% of WFB. GW just keeps taking away WFB kits and making them direct only. Not as bad with 40k. The huge problem with selling GW right now is that Nobody Cares, and No Excitement about new product. The main reason for this: No one even knows new stuff came out. Even if i have a clue about what is coming out from rumor threads or leaks, i can't advertise until GW posts up pre-orders. How many of the Assassin game can i sell when i get 1 weekend to talk about it before ordering? I'll have people coming in a month from now saying "WTF Skitarrie/WTF Edar???"
Somehow GW thinks the rules of advertising and sales dont affect them. Meanwhile i have players extremely excited about other games, and can't wait for them to come out. I sold more of the latest FOW book than I did the Eldar Codex during the first weekend they were out. The FOW players knew the book was coming, had pre-orders in, and were excited about new German tanks with infrared scopes and nightfighting rules. (Yes, half the 40k armies don't have night goggles, but the germans got them in '44. )
....and lo!.....The Age of Sigmar came to an end when Saint Veetock and his hamster legions smote the false Sigmar and destroyed the bubbleverse and lead the true believers back to the Old World.
2015/04/27 14:57:09
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Not as bad as WFB, but down by a good chunk. I've still got about 70% of 40k on my shelf, vs about 30% of WFB. GW just keeps taking away WFB kits and making them direct only. Not as bad with 40k. The huge problem with selling GW right now is that Nobody Cares, and No Excitement about new product. The main reason for this: No one even knows new stuff came out. Even if i have a clue about what is coming out from rumor threads or leaks, i can't advertise until GW posts up pre-orders. How many of the Assassin game can i sell when i get 1 weekend to talk about it before ordering? I'll have people coming in a month from now saying "WTF Skitarrie/WTF Edar???"
Somehow GW thinks the rules of advertising and sales dont affect them. Meanwhile i have players extremely excited about other games, and can't wait for them to come out. I sold more of the latest FOW book than I did the Eldar Codex during the first weekend they were out. The FOW players knew the book was coming, had pre-orders in, and were excited about new German tanks with infrared scopes and nightfighting rules. (Yes, half the 40k armies don't have night goggles, but the germans got them in '44. )
I suspect the only metric they care about is if it increases sales at their own portal (their online and physical stores) where they keep all the profits.
2015/04/27 15:24:39
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
OgreChubbs wrote: If whfb drops to a skrimish game "which it won't" they would lose my buisness which is about 1grand a month on ogres lol
Jezz....how many ogres do you need? Are you trying to catch them all?
Well right now this month it was firebelly 4boxes of iron guts 4 boxes of lead belchers 3 butchers, and 2 stonehorns. I got lots of ogres and making a hole board for them .... Then a nagash board
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2015/04/27 16:20:41
Subject: Re:WFB 9th: Starter Box Contents - and other Rumors!
Im a bit immune to all that BS I'm in no rush but its really silly a company of this dimension thinking that it has the flexibility to take sales drops due to lack of publicity.
Well of course, that would be very silly, the thing is their sales don't drop because of a lack of publicity - they have said on numerous occasions that when they experimented with shortening the window between announcement and release, sales went UP each time, so of course they've kept the one-week model because it yields the most sales. If you're going to turn a thread into a moan about GW's marketing at least keep to the facts.
I have no idea where you are getting your info from that sales went up from this.
Personally, i've seen sales drop in half on new releases at my stores, or worse. Lack of advertising will do that. Stores don't do launch parties anymore, or megabattles, painting events, etc to celebrate new releases. How can we? There's no time.
Meanwhile, people are getting excited and talking about all the other games coming out, when they stumble across something new by GW. A lack of excitement = less sales.
No one I've talked to at GW in the US even hints that sales have gone up on new products. Hell, my sales rep can't even tell me anything about the Eldar Codex except price. He won't see it until it comes out. Silly way to run a business.
Out of curiosity is the same thing happening to 40k or are you just referring to WFB? If new 40k releases are dropping by 50% or worse in the US then THAT is scary.
Not as bad as WFB, but down by a good chunk. I've still got about 70% of 40k on my shelf, vs about 30% of WFB. GW just keeps taking away WFB kits and making them direct only. Not as bad with 40k. The huge problem with selling GW right now is that Nobody Cares, and No Excitement about new product. The main reason for this: No one even knows new stuff came out. Even if i have a clue about what is coming out from rumor threads or leaks, i can't advertise until GW posts up pre-orders. How many of the Assassin game can i sell when i get 1 weekend to talk about it before ordering? I'll have people coming in a month from now saying "WTF Skitarrie/WTF Edar???"
Somehow GW thinks the rules of advertising and sales dont affect them. Meanwhile i have players extremely excited about other games, and can't wait for them to come out. I sold more of the latest FOW book than I did the Eldar Codex during the first weekend they were out. The FOW players knew the book was coming, had pre-orders in, and were excited about new German tanks with infrared scopes and nightfighting rules. (Yes, half the 40k armies don't have night goggles, but the germans got them in '44. )
That would make sense though, since it was also part of the campaign to undermine the trade partners. Your sales != GW's direct sales and I expect they're not closely related
