Flashman wrote:
It sounds reasonably affordable to put an army together based on the latest rumours and GW could turn this into an opportunity to shift current Fantasy stock...

...or they could use it as an opportunity to hike the prices of the existing kits because you won't need as manyy miniatures.

Place your bets folks

 Vermis wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
That's because it's not news or a rumour

If every post here had to be news or rumour, the thread would be a lot shorter.

 Ratius wrote:
Maybe but say this:

3.30 a model

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Empire-Greatswords

VS

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Space-Marine-Tactical-Squad-2015

3.50 a model

So, what, they jack the empire to 40-50 a box? raising per model to 4 or 5? I dunno, are GW that cwayzee?

Nah not thinking greedy enough.

"Sir we have to price the models for the new game."
"Well they need fewer models, so sell we'll the models as single clam packs with a few options for $30."
"Genius!"

 notprop wrote:

Spoiler:

So it seems like we are back to armies this size;

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Patience younglings, patience.

Salvation/damnation is but a fortnight away..........

 adamsouza wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

No matter how much anyone loved the Warhammer Fantasy setting as it was, it wasn't selling.

Rebooting provides a fresh jumping on point.

I agree with the above but was rather pointing out a market leading example of doing what WHFB is rumored to be doing NOT leading to increased sales. FR was bubbled (turned into "points of light") and the rules massively revamped (if the stuff posted here ends up true) and it flopped... big time. A reboot isn't a magic cureall for everything despite what Hollywood would have us believe. There are real risks involved and if GW didn't put the customer first (instead of Kirbry's retirement dividend slush fund) and the effort into making sure the changes are good for the customer (see 7th edition 40k for the opposite) then the reboot will likely be a waste of everyone's time and money.

Are you refering to D&D 4th Edition ? It did take massive amounts of hated from the existing playerbase, and fueld Pathfiders success, but it was a good game, and new players generally enjoyed it. Most of the 3E players that hated it decided they hated it before playing it. There was serious resentment over having huge libraries of books that became perceived as obsolete.

D&D 4E's life cycle had more to do with it being owned by a toy and board game manufacturer rather than an old school gaming outfit. It's the same situation that 40K and Fantasy are in now. Corporations care about moving product. To move product it needs to be "new and improved".

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Patience younglings, patience.

Salvation/damnation is but a fortnight away..........

 Ratius wrote:

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Patience younglings, patience.

Salvation/damnation is but a fortnight away..........

Not an oldschool whfb player Notprop. He has a lord and 6-7 "biggish" units.
Is that bad in terms of this new edition?

Herohammer?

 adamsouza wrote:


Disney straigh up admitted that the reason they bought Star Wars was the same reason they bought Marvel, they were both currently strong with the 18-25 year old male demographic.

Without the prequils, all Star Wars was at the time was the expanded universe, which Disney immediately dumped after aquiring, and a few video games, which Disney dumped after aquiring.

Don't get me wrong, they loved the Star Wars setting, like we all do, but it was the Clone Wars Era success with modern males that made them viable.

 notprop wrote:
So it seems like we are back to armies this size;

Spoiler:

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Patience younglings, patience.

Salvation/damnation is but a fortnight away..........

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:


Disney straigh up admitted that the reason they bought Star Wars was the same reason they bought Marvel, they were both currently strong with the 18-25 year old male demographic.

Without the prequils, all Star Wars was at the time was the expanded universe, which Disney immediately dumped after aquiring, and a few video games, which Disney dumped after aquiring.

Don't get me wrong, they loved the Star Wars setting, like we all do, but it was the Clone Wars Era success with modern males that made them viable.

No. I'm in that 18-25 liking Star Wars demographic. I'm in that demographic despite the prequels, not because of them. I grew up with the originals on VHS, as would have done countless others. Without the prequels, Star Wars would still be one of the best selling and most loved science fiction film series of all time.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'm just waiting to put Space Marines on Horses

 adamsouza wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:


Disney straigh up admitted that the reason they bought Star Wars was the same reason they bought Marvel, they were both currently strong with the 18-25 year old male demographic.

Without the prequils, all Star Wars was at the time was the expanded universe, which Disney immediately dumped after aquiring, and a few video games, which Disney dumped after aquiring.

Don't get me wrong, they loved the Star Wars setting, like we all do, but it was the Clone Wars Era success with modern males that made them viable.

No. I'm in that 18-25 liking Star Wars demographic. I'm in that demographic despite the prequels, not because of them. I grew up with the originals on VHS, as would have done countless others. Without the prequels, Star Wars would still be one of the best selling and most loved science fiction film series of all time.

You do understand the concept that a single person is not representatitve of an entire demographic ?

Also, what do you think they would have been selling ? Maybe growing up with the prequils being a thing already has skewed your perspective on this, because without the hype for and from the prequils there was virtually nothing Star Wars to buy. At least nothing worth Disney's attention. There were Dark Horse Comics, the WEG RPG, and Novels. Those VHS tapes you grew up watching were released to remind us all how great the originals were so we would watch the prequils.

 adamsouza wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:


Disney straigh up admitted that the reason they bought Star Wars was the same reason they bought Marvel, they were both currently strong with the 18-25 year old male demographic.

Without the prequils, all Star Wars was at the time was the expanded universe, which Disney immediately dumped after aquiring, and a few video games, which Disney dumped after aquiring.

Don't get me wrong, they loved the Star Wars setting, like we all do, but it was the Clone Wars Era success with modern males that made them viable.

No. I'm in that 18-25 liking Star Wars demographic. I'm in that demographic despite the prequels, not because of them. I grew up with the originals on VHS, as would have done countless others. Without the prequels, Star Wars would still be one of the best selling and most loved science fiction film series of all time.

You do understand the concept that a single person is not representatitve of an entire demographic ?

Also, what do you think they would have been selling ? Maybe growing up with the prequils being a thing already has skewed your perspective on this, because without the hype for and from the prequils there was virtually nothing Star Wars to buy. At least nothing worth Disney's attention. There were Dark Horse Comics, the WEG RPG, and Novels. Those VHS tapes you grew up watching were released to remind us all how great the originals were so we would watch the prequils.

I was at a bbq with some gaming gents today when WFB came up, one of them being a redshirt. Take this with the usual redshirt info, sometimes spoonfed by GW. Units will indeed be on circular bases with most infantry units gaining base-to-base contact bonuses depending on their equipment layout and command qualities.
Armored/shield units gain a shield wall bonus, ranged and spear units gain rerolls to-hit with additional ranks in base-to-base, basic infantry gain morale. These are initiated at the end of their movement phase if the unit is fully in base contact.

Separated models fall into a 40k-esque open formation, gaining bonuses if their type has a preference for that formation, with all gaining movement and deployment bonuses depending on the further their cohesion but also lowering morale and objective contests of some sort.

I'll try to squeeze out a little more info tomorrow at breakfast.

 -DE- wrote:
Let's hope Age of Sigmar isn't to GW what Age of Ragnarok was to Rackham.

'cause it's CAotR all over again. Company has a beloved line with a staggering baggage in the form of wonky rules and excessive number of factions, but profits aren't satisfactory (despite the line remaining profitable), so they scrap it along with the entire fan base to start afresh and expand the customer base, purging the miniature line of any slow sellers and duplicates in the process. The new game is shunned by the old guard and there aren't enough newcomers to make up for the loss, let alone provide higher turnover. The game dies, taking the company with it.

Anybody want to wager the same will be true for AoS?

 silent25 wrote:
Via Eclipse Phase over at Warseer:

I was at a bbq with some gaming gents today when WFB came up, one of them being a redshirt. Take this with the usual redshirt info, sometimes spoonfed by GW. Units will indeed be on circular bases with most infantry units gaining base-to-base contact bonuses depending on their equipment layout and command qualities.
Armored/shield units gain a shield wall bonus, ranged and spear units gain rerolls to-hit with additional ranks in base-to-base, basic infantry gain morale. These are initiated at the end of their movement phase if the unit is fully in base contact.

Separated models fall into a 40k-esque open formation, gaining bonuses if their type has a preference for that formation, with all gaining movement and deployment bonuses depending on the further their cohesion but also lowering morale and objective contests of some sort.

I'll try to squeeze out a little more info tomorrow at breakfast.

From a Red Shirt, but at this point they might be starting to train them to demo the new game.