Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Mort**

TheAuldGrump wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Ogres better make a come back I just spent 4 hours sculpting a new ogre tyrant and need to spend another 60+ lol
Last night I played my first small game of Kings of War with an Ogre army - my good lady had control of the dwarfs.
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...
...
Ow.

Next time, I hope we are allies - the result was a draw, with a pretty heavy death toll on both sides. (In a campaign game it would have been crippling for both of us.)

We have decided that we need some chariots for our ogre forces - if my ogres had gotten to the enemy faster, allowing the Red Goblins to hold the objectives, I think that I would have won. As it was, we each ended up only holding the objective closest to our deployment zones. (Most often the ogres will be an ally for the dwarfs.)

That horrible, horrible Red Goblin Blaster would also have made a difference - taking out even one of her Ironclad units would have freed up an objective. (The Blaster is pretty much a cart filled with explosives - and counts toward the enemies victory points when it aslodes. But any unit with in range is in for a world of hurt - 2d6 hits with Crushing Strength 4.)

On the plus side, their tactics were pretty simple - get in close, and lay waste. (For the record - the ogre Shooters with Blunderbusses were freakin' awesome! They are why the dwarfs didn't win. Great in hand to hand and at range.)

For some reason, I have an urge to paint up an army of Ogre Highlanders, complete with kilts and bagpipes.

The Auld Grump

Did you mean to post this in the KoW Battle Report forum or something?

**adamsouza**

Nah, he was just preparing everyone for how awesome KoW will be for everyone who rage quits Warhammer when AoS hits.

**The Shadow**

You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

**Bi'ios**

I am most intrigued at this point. I was probably going to buy just the rulebook, but depending on what the box set turns out to be (starter, or sidegame/board game/something else), I may shell out for both. What I'm really waiting to hear at this point is... Square or round bases?!?! I'd like to know how to polish off the WoC force I've been working on

**Commissar-Danno**

The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

If GW provides updated army lists for all of the armies to work in this edition, if only as a free pdf. I think I might be happy.

**TheAuldGrump**

Mort wrote:
TheAuldGrump wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Ogres better make a come back I just spent 4 hours sculpting a new ogre tyrant and need to spend another 60+ lol
Last night I played my first small game of Kings of War with an Ogre army - my good lady had control of the dwarfs.
...
...
...
Ow.

Next time, I hope we are allies - the result was a draw, with a pretty heavy death toll on both sides. (In a campaign game it would have been crippling for both of us.)

We have decided that we need some chariots for our ogre forces - if my ogres had gotten to the enemy faster, allowing the Red Goblins to hold the objectives, I think that I would have won. As it was, we each ended up only holding the objective closest to our deployment zones. (Most often the ogres will be an ally for the dwarfs.)

That horrible, horrible Red Goblin Blaster would also have made a difference - taking out even one of her Ironclad units would have freed up an objective. (The Blaster is pretty much a cart filled with explosives - and counts toward the enemies victory points when it aslodes. But any unit with in range is in for a world of hurt - 2d6 hits with Crushing Strength 4.)

On the plus side, their tactics were pretty simple - get in close, and lay waste. (For the record - the ogre Shooters with Blunderbusses were freakin' awesome! They are why the dwarfs didn't win. Great in hand to hand and at range.)

For some reason, I have an urge to paint up an army of Ogre Highlanders, complete with kilts and bagpipes.

The Auld Grump

Did you mean to post this in the KoW Battle Report forum or something?

No, simply a reminder that if folks are not happy with whatever happens to their armies that there are alternatives that allow them to use their armies pretty much as is. It is a continuation of something that I mentioned to Mr. O. Chubbs previously. *EDIT* At the time I had not had any experience with Ogres in Kings of War - now that I have I can say that they can at least hold their own.

I do not know if Rage-Quit is quite what I mean, though... more like Moving On - which leaves the option of Coming Back if either the game does not suck, or that GW decides to bring back a new generation of Warhammer after AoS falls on its face.

There have been a few folks that have stated that they intend to sell off/trash their mini collections if AoS lives down to their expectations. Me, I'd druther they find a way to keep using their armies. A large army is a major investment to scrap.

The Auld Grump - I will admit, I do expect AoS to make a face shaped impression upon the sand....

**Lou_Cypher**

And it still has nothing to do with the news and rumours of what the topic is.

I don't know about any of you, but I actually want more info about Age of Sigmar rather than some other game that I might have taken a look at if only it hadn't been shoved into my face.

**atribix**

The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

My biggest issue with that screengrab is the fact that anyone can change the text of a webpage by right clicking on the text and pressing select element, and typing whatever the hell they want to the page. I wouldn't be so sure about the free rules.

I made an example for you

**TheKbob**

At free, we'd finally be at the right price for GW rules, at the very least.

**adamsouza**

Exalted

**pretre**

I was wondering why half the page was in English....

**Vermis**

TheAuldGrump wrote:
There have been a few folks that have stated that they intend to sell off/trash their mini collections if AoS lives down to their expectations. Me, I'd druther they find a way to keep using their armies. A large army is a major investment to scrap.

Well said, sir.

Lou_Cypher wrote:
I don't know about any of you, but I actually want more info about Age of Sigmar rather than some other game that I might have taken a look at if only it hadn't been shoved into my face.

It's one post in an 80+ page topic, in response to worries about Warhammer ogres: I think you'll survive. You might even be glad of it one day.

**Aerethan**

atribix wrote:
The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

My biggest issue with that screengrab is the fact that anyone can change the text of a webpage by right clicking on the text and pressing select element, and typing whatever the hell they want to the page. I wouldn't be so sure about the free rules.

I made an example for you

Exactly this. Any idiot can alter a web page to say anything they want and then screenshot it.

An entire URL being accidentally hosted is something that happens every now and then. Random text showing up on pages that already exist about some new product is insanely unlikely, even from GW.

**Kid_Kyoto**

atribix wrote:

OMG! Best leak evah!

Someone get this to Warseer right away!

**Kirasu**

That totally looks like a legit GW page!.. Especially with the "yo".

**Crimson Devil**

Commissar-Danno wrote:
The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

If GW provides updated army lists for all of the armies to work in this edition, if only as a free pdf. I think I might be happy.

It probably requires an $85 yearly subscription.

Lou_Cypher wrote:And it still has nothing to do with the news and rumours of what the topic is.

I don't know about any of you, but I actually want more info about Age of Sigmar rather than some other game that I might have taken a look at if only it hadn't been shoved into my face.

If there was something to talk about we would.

**Bottle**

1 week to go before "all is revealed" according to What's New Today :-)

**monders**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Hope not, either way if there are no physical rules in the box, no deal, but to the target market 12 year old's parents they won't care as they'll just buy him another tablet when he loses/drops the one the rules are on.....

Good grief - your bitterness just leaked through my screen and made me do a lemon face

**Pepticsalve**

Bottle wrote:
1 week to go before "all is revealed" according to What's New Today :-)

I'm hoping we will know a bit more before then, maybe tuesday/wednesday with info in WD? Frankly all I'm bothered about at the moment is what bases are we going to be using in the new edition! I've got some models that I want to base up and I don't know if we are going squares or circles... For the record a move to 25mm round bases would make me infinitely happy, I've never liked squares and ranking up high elf phoenix guard on 20mm square bases is a painful experience... Also hope the rumours regarding the different unit formations are correct, it would add a nice tactical edge to the game, and make some sense. If a unit wants to spread out and skirmish then why not, its the generals decision? Equally if they want to pack together and shield wall it, again, it should be the generals decision...

Time will tell....

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Has anybody had a right proper look at the GW website?

There's bound to be hidden messages, Easter eggs, anagrams, something.

Has anybody tried looking at the webstore using infa-red or ultra violet wavelength?

As for the rules. Who's willing to bet that even with 4 pages of rules, the games designers would have overlooked serious balance issues

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Pepticsalve wrote:
Bottle wrote:
1 week to go before "all is revealed" according to What's New Today :-)

I'm hoping we will know a bit more before then, maybe tuesday/wednesday with info in WD? Frankly all I'm bothered about at the moment is what bases are we going to be using in the new edition! I've got some models that I want to base up and I don't know if we are going squares or circles... For the record a move to 25mm round bases would make me infinitely happy, I've never liked squares and ranking up high elf phoenix guard on 20mm square bases is a painful experience... Also hope the rumours regarding the different unit formations are correct, it would add a nice tactical edge to the game, and make some sense. If a unit wants to spread out and skirmish then why not, its the generals decision? Equally if they want to pack together and shield wall it, again, it should be the generals decision...

Time will tell....

Do half on square, half on rounds. Problem solved.

Next.

**Pepticsalve**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Do half on square, half on rounds. Problem solved.

Next.

LOL! I'm sort of tempted to do them on hexagons or triangles ;-)

**Paradigm**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Hmm, why put a pdf listing in the webstore and this mention of warscrolls compendium?

They did the same with the last Hobbit book if I recall. It was listed as a product, but with no cost and Download instead of Add to Cart.

**monders**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Has anybody had a right proper look at the GW website?

There's bound to be hidden messages, Easter eggs, anagrams, something.

Has anybody tried looking at the webstore using infa-red or ultra violet wavelength?

As for the rules. Who's willing to bet that even with 4 pages of rules, the games designers would have overlooked serious balance issues

Invert your colours and turn your screen side ways, too.

Come on Dakka - We Can Do This (with apologies to reddit).

**Bull0**

I agree that that supposed german screen would be *very* easy to fake but I still find myself half-believing it, just because it would be a sensible thing to do - some free transitional rules for the old range so people stop talking about the sky falling, followed by more traditional book releases later for each of the new/consolidated factions. Still, not long to go now until "all is revealed"...

**ShaneTB**

Army books have been pulled from the web store.

**ImAGeek**

So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

**ShaneTB**

ImAGeek wrote:
So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

You can find a rumour to support any theory at this point. If there are models you like keep an eye on the webstore. For example, they gave a week's notice that the Island of Blood boxset was going to be pulled.

**HobbyBox**

ShaneTB wrote:
Army books have been pulled from the web store.

Along with all ET books and Triumph and Treachery and Island of Blood.

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ShaneTB wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

You can find a rumour to support any theory at this point. If there are models you like keep an eye on the webstore. For example, they gave a week's notice that the Island of Blood boxset was going to be pulled.

If the whole "Warscroll Compendium" thing is actually true, that will be telling to see if something for sure will be gone.

There was a rumor about various Empire and Chaos stuff that were going to be pulled, which were connected to the things that were being mentioned being in the starter set per various rumors. These were Empire Knights, State Troops, Crossbowmen/Handgunners and Free Company and then Chaos Warriors.

So far, I haven't seen anything posted with a disclaimer on them like the Army books had, which stated they would be pulled on 6/26 to prepare for AoS.

**Pepticsalve**

ImAGeek wrote:
So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

I was told by a GW manager that the development and tooling costs for a new set of citadel figures can run in the hundreds of thousands of pounds for some stuff - there is no way games workshop will be pulling the entire line of fantasy, which would amount to several millions pounds of development and re-tooling (for the moulds etc). Sure, some stuff will get a refresh, like minis which come in the starter set etc... and a few things might get pulled when new stuff comes to replace it, but it would cost the company far too much money to completely re-do all of their fantasy stuff, not to mention be a complete waste of time as many of the models they sell are already of fantastic quality and have nothing wrong with them... And for models which were released only a few years ago they probably haven't made enough of a profit yet to recoup their initial development and tooling costs - no company is going to ditch a product until it can break even on it. I'd be shocked if more than about 10% of the product line got replaced. Whether or not the models still for sale will actually be useful in age of sigmar remains to be seen, but they'll keep selling all the fantasy range for the time being...