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 Azreal13 wrote:
I think they're just claiming they did it before GW.

Was talking about:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
and other such sayings.



I assume I've missed someone post this in the massive amount of pages added recently.

I guess all those KoW players have somewhere else to buy their Basileans now. :-)

I think it's more of a joke that people often accuse Mantic of ripping off GW.

Wow! Just... wow.... I literally speechless at what they've done. Not much to go on from just two pictures, but, it's going to be a very different game for sure.

I'm torn.. I need to see clearer pics, and hopefully some more details of what is coming after this box.. right now.. I can't be certain I am ordering it.

One female model in either faction would probably have got me to give it a try, but once again.. seems GW can only see one Gender.. in their pseudo Medieval world that made a little bit of sense.. but with this new direction it makes none.

Well this is what the whiners wanted
..I hope they are happy

They've definitely thrown the baby out with the bathwater it would appear.... I'm really on the fence - initial reaction was nausea - and I still don't like the Sigmarines at all, but if the rules are solid and the elves are reasonable then I'll still play the game. Pre-ordering is looking pretty unlikely now though after seeing the box content...

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Nothing is "played here" until people put it a little leg-work and start getting a game community going.

More than ever I feel stunned when people refused to give KoW (or other systems) a go when the rules are free, and they own the models they would need. Meanwhile it is an almost universally lauded game system, with an incredibly balanced (and still free) second edition coming out... all from a consumer-centric company that will happily spent development resources giving WHFB refugees army lists (again, free), for models they don't even produce analogs of.

If right now isn't the best chance Mantic will ever have to get people mass playing KoW, I don't know what is.

scarletsquig wrote:Mantic have already noticed that themselves, and the facebook jokes have begun.

JuniorRS13 wrote:I've been playing 40k exclusively for years

Judging by those pics, you still will be.

Shadowclaimer wrote:And Mantic has quite a bit of inspiration pulled from a hundred other sources too.

Pretending they invented Angelic Paladins is absurd lol

Nobody pretended they did. But that just piles up even more evidence against the fanboy view that GW's games and worlds are special unique little diamonds that can't be matched, or even bettered, anywhere else. (Or used outside the GW electric fence)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

When was the last time Sisters got any good release? See, it might be a sign .

Dude, you're making the rest of us look bad. Quit it.

It's sad - the core of Warhammer fantasy used to be about common man banding together to fend of the horrors of the world. The fluff says it all the time "the men of the empire might not be a match for an Orc/Chaos whatever/beastmen/etc - but fighting side by side and looking out for their brothers in arms they stand a chance."

Now we have super-powered Sig-Marines vs. super powered "skulls skulls skulls" Chaos. *sigh*

*pours out a 40 on the curb for the beloved dead setting*

For me, the empire was always about the average guy, the honest man, picking up a spear to defend his town from rampaging orcs/skaven/undead/chaos.

These Empire guys look too heroic, too uber, too way the hell out there.

The irony is Chaos is staying the same. They're the one's that are supposed to warp and change

 warboss wrote:

What is that knight riding? Is that guy riding Battle Cat in gold plate? It looks more cat like than the whatever-griffs they came out with last time for the empire that were the stunted flightless gryphons or somesuch.

I don't now for sure, but I think it heralds the coming of Gozer .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

Yes. It's a sign that reveals why there have been no new Sisters releases... Sigmar stole their armour.



I'm quite conflicted on this release. On the one hand, it's a massive departure from what WHFB has been up to now, and sort of cements my intention to dig out my 4th edition stuff when I'm ready to start playing WHFB again. I liked the more-or-less generic fantasy-ness of the setting. It's what made that game appealing.


On the other hand, the models shown, as much as can be made out from those pics, look awesome. I can't help but think that more of them are going to be used in 40K Chaos or Space Marine armies than in the game they're intended for, though.

is it just me or do those round bases look like the new Space Marine bases ? and that being said that horse/mounted looking creature appears to have a flavor of the TK giant cavalry.

on another note , I am super excited to put my Tomb Kings to good use !

July can't come soon enough !!!

GW: "Kids love space marines in space, so how about we give them space marines not in space too..."

Torquar wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What is that knight riding? Is that guy riding Battle Cat in gold plate? It looks more cat like than the whatever-griffs they came out with last time for the empire that were the stunted flightless gryphons or somesuch.

I don't now for sure, but I think it heralds the coming of Gozer

Brilliant.

I think it's some kind of wingless dragon or drake mount, or some other kind of reptilian creature. You can tell because, instead of the old style Trish reptilian monsters that all had the same wibbly-lipped deep-sea-fish mouth and crusty gravel rubbed into it's back, it's a new style Seb reptilian monster with giant mammalian canines and 'raptor' claws.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign.

Yes a sign that GW borrows, uses and reuses many of the same ideas over and over...

I'm pretty sure these guys aren't The Empire as we know it. They are, for want of a better analogy, the Space Marines of the setting, and I'd be amazed if the Empire with its hordes of peasants and militias doesn't remain as the Imperial Guard equivalent. They may well be drawn from the same faction, even the same list as the 'Sigmarines', but I'm certain they'll still be around.

 Paradigm wrote:
I'm pretty sure these guys aren't The Empire as we know it. They are, for want of a better analogy, the Space Marines of the setting, and I'd be amazed if the Empire with its hordes of peasants and militias doesn't remain as the Imperial Guard equivalent. They may well be drawn from the same faction, even the same list as the 'Sigmarines', but I'm certain they'll still be around.

This is almost certainly correct.

It will be interesting to see if all infantry models will need to be stuck on 32mm round bases... I think a little night goblin or puny skeleton archer stuck on a 32mm base is going to look ridiculous - you could probably fit two night goblins to a single 32mm base! But there will be models in the existing range which will look awesome on those large round bases, things like phoenix guard, temple guards and black orcs... Interesting times

Pepticsalve wrote:
It will be interesting to see if all infantry models will need to be stuck on 32mm round bases... I think a little night goblin or puny skeleton archer stuck on a 32mm base is going to look ridiculous - you could probably fit two night goblins to a single 32mm base! But there will be models in the existing range which will look awesome on those large round bases, things like phoenix guard, temple guards and black orcs... Interesting times

I doubt it. Probably 25mm, 32mm, etc.

So Sigmar can ally with Blood Angels now?

That is different.

pretre wrote:
This is almost certainly correct.

Becaaause...?

PS added images to the first post

Pepticsalve wrote:
It will be interesting to see if all infantry models will need to be stuck on 32mm round bases... I think a little night goblin or puny skeleton archer stuck on a 32mm base is going to look ridiculous - you could probably fit two night goblins to a single 32mm base! But there will be models in the existing range which will look awesome on those large round bases, things like phoenix guard, temple guards and black orcs... Interesting times

Anything on a 25mm square onto a 32mm round

And 20mm square onto a 25mm round. :-)


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 Vermis wrote:

pretre wrote:
This is almost certainly correct.

Becaaause...?

Because all existing models can still be used.

 Bottle wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:
It will be interesting to see if all infantry models will need to be stuck on 32mm round bases... I think a little night goblin or puny skeleton archer stuck on a 32mm base is going to look ridiculous - you could probably fit two night goblins to a single 32mm base! But there will be models in the existing range which will look awesome on those large round bases, things like phoenix guard, temple guards and black orcs... Interesting times

Anything on a 25mm square onto a 32mm round

And 20mm square onto a 25mm round. :-)

That's what I would hope as well... :-)

xowainx wrote:
I dig them, but it's somewhat ironic that they appear to have made Mantic Basileans.

My exact thought... and now the circle of creation is complete.

The Auld Grump

 CT GAMER wrote:
GW: "Kids love space marines in space, so how about we give them space marines not in space too..."

Embarrassingly enough... that's exactly what I was looking for when I started Fantasy ages ago.

I don't like the idea now, but I think this is going to sell well with the younger crowd.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
For me, the empire was always about the average guy, the honest man, picking up a spear to defend his town from rampaging orcs/skaven/undead/chaos.

These Empire guys look too heroic, too uber, too way the hell out there.

The irony is Chaos is staying the same. They're the one's that are supposed to warp and change

There has been less and less of that for a very long time now. (I really miss the random tables in the RoC hardcovers.)

The Auld Grump

Im excited for this but im NOT by any means getting rid of my 8th edition stuff. I have a feeling plenty of people will just keep playing that.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

xowainx wrote:
I dig them, but it's somewhat ironic that they appear to have made Mantic Basileans.

My exact thought... and now the circle of creation is complete.

The Auld Grump

As someone who's collecting all the Reaper Paladin-types I can get my hands on, I've just had a dangerous thought; a AoS/KoW army with Reaper PCs as leaders, Sigmarines as elite troops, throw in some Basealien cavalry and Paladins, maybe some Sisters... The ultimate in Holy Crusading... This might get expensive if I can ever find a gaming group that would give me a reason to go through with it!