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These models aren't really my idea of a Fantasy look. I am more of the historical mixed with fantasy elements kind of person.

I also hate the look of Space Marine models and these guys kinda look worse, but that is mostly because of the skin tight armored head things.

With 1 week to go I wonder what we see rules wise or for other factions etc.

@Vermis: I say "cheap" because chosen are currently $40 for 5, and forsaken are $50 for 10. I'm reasonably positive I will be able to get the chaos side for considerably less than $90. Probably around $40 to $50 for the full side, minus rules. So yeah, that falls into the realm of cheap for those models.

I really like the look of that Khorne guy with the whip in the back and the ...spawn? Lots of skulls everywhere thankfully, gotta keep things warhammer-ish. I love all of these models, but boy they look a lot more challenging to paint than I was expecting.

Beautiful looking minis, not precisely what I'm looking for in the 'Empire' department (I really did like the renaissance look for 'em) but the Chaos fellas look quite good, the commander/hero units look really, really fun but I'm just not that keen on the overall aesthetic.

The roided up Chaos warriors are a bit too ott hench for my liking, they'd make even Conan shy!

Still, that said... As it stands I'd definitely consider going halvesies on one of these sets depending on price, say what you will about GW but I've always found their starter sets to be a lot of fun.

In preparation of the new stuff, I'm making a thread over in the fantasy section for splitting up the AoS box: partner up if you only want half the box and find someone you can agree on shipping with!

but what i really dont get is why 8 guys need a standard and musician.. they are barely a rabble at that point

cerealkiller195 wrote:
but what i really dont get is why 8 guys need a standard and musician.. they are barely a rabble at that point

Did you not play Classic WFB? 8 guys is a full unit, with a full 2nd rank (ranks had to be 4-wide).

 timetowaste85 wrote:
In preparation of the new stuff, I'm making a thread over in the fantasy section for splitting up the AoS box: partner up if you only want half the box and find someone you can agree on shipping with!

Great idea! Was hoping someone would do this... :-)

Well the two chaos units only one has a standard and musician so maybe the two go together now you have a 20 man unit then a 5 man warrior unit, the bsb, the beastmaster and giant gribbly and the chaos lord.

GW, werden every release gives us something new for 40k
Today, plastic Adeptus Custodes

I've got the GW/plastic kitbash bug again recently and am working on cultist "marauders" for my brothers WHFB Chaos and my Word Bearers/LatD, plus sculpting a BIG sprinting Chaos warrior for BB.

I think I won't have to sculpt cast bigger and longer legs for my Marines anymore Use the legs here to un-dwarf CSM and give robed lower bodies and guns to the new marauders to make them look like Paul Muller cultists. Win-win. And I get a not-a-blob spwan on top of it!

As a hobbyist I'm happy for that alone. As someone who likes 20 man blocks of dudes in the cabinet and LOVES the Warhammer world that has been a part of my life for, uh, 18 years, I DON'T KNOW. Sigmarine models look damn cool in a ridiculois way, but not a WARHAMMER way. It's not twisted, crazy, rough, manic and there's not a single rat with a peg leg or some other nightmare that populate the older illustrations. Those were over-the-top and ridiculous, but in their own way. The poor world was blown up and bubbled back together? URGH!

Rules? Eh, I never really played, anyway, and IF I do I can chose the edition and all (because I know my brother rather well), but I liked the movement and morale system that 8th already tampered with. I'd actually try a good skirmish game, but I.don't.trust.the.current.studio.

I don't know how to feel. I hope the starter won't be 150€, though. And I hope ebay will have as many battlecats for cheap as it used to have HE gryphon riders! One in every colour of the rainbow for all the schools of magic would be ace.

If they killed warhammer FB totally and drove away all old fans, and relaunched Mordheim as it was. I am sure they would have recruited a larger player mass, with that alone, than they currently have and will get with these Blood Angels In Middle Earth and weird secret 9th edition.

Players want a fast quick game in the 2010's. Its generation quick, generation ADHD. A fast true skirmish game with 5-12 models would do well.

 Thargrim wrote:
... Lots of skulls everywhere thankfully, gotta keep things warhammer-ish. I love all of these models, but boy they look a lot more challenging to paint than I was expecting.

There are even skulls on all of the bases...

cerealkiller195 wrote:
but what i really dont get is why 8 guys need a standard and musician.. they are barely a rabble at that point

I think historically you would have 1 fife and 1 drummer (depending on nation/time period etc, could be bugles or bagpipes and so on) per company of men. A company is usually 100+ men. As far as I have read, with some exceptions in most historical periods it's usually 100+ men to a company.

So yes having a musician with any less than that is pretty silly, especially if he is expected to run around like they do in fantasy fighting to the death, which is also terribly silly.

What bugs me though, is the fact that this poor trumpeter/horn blower is actually playing orders for what looks like multiple units. That means he has to know 3 different sets of order music so he can actually play for all these groups. Otherwise the groups would have no easy way of knowing who these orders are being relayed to. The chaos side will suffer in reality if they rely on this horn man for accurate battle orders. At this scale the commander would have to simply jog to each group and tell their respective officers orders by ear.

But it is fantasy I guess.

Are the bases of most of the Empire models 32mm in that pic?

I had a feeling something was strange about this release and I just figured out what it was; no wizards!Very strange to see only warrior and creature models. I wonder if the characters will have access to divine powers or something.

 RiTides wrote:
Are the bases of most of the Empire models 32mm in that pic?

I'd say so.

Most of the models in the leaked pics seem ok, although certainly not my taste for a medieval fantasy setting. In fact, it doesn't matter how they call it, this is not Warhammer Fantasy for me.

I guess some Blood Angels and Khorne CSM players will manage to make something out of the box, there certainly seems to be some conversion potential there.

As for me, I'm not interested.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm looking at the chaos models as a cheap option for Forsaken and Chosen. The marauder-y guys will be forsaken, the pumped up warriors will be chosen. The sigmarite stuff does look like Warmahordes had a baby with Space Marines. If WMH wasn't a thing, those would look like an interesting new concept that marks the divide between fantasy and 40k. As it is, they're ripping off PP. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried to sue PP and got countersued into oblivion and PP won the entire line of Warhammer.

Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. Just like Mantic were not the first but just one of a thousand people to use the idea of "angelic knights".

 Da Boss wrote:
Christ almighty, if there is one thing that actually DOES get me annoyed it's having mild negative comments like "these models are very competently made, but not my cup of tea" characterised as "nerdrage" or "screaming".

Learn to appreciate nuance and degrees of opinion lads. Haven't seen any negative people screaming or claiming the sky is falling- mostly just expressing mild disapproval of models that they don't like!

I haven't seen anyone calling reasonable, negative posts "nerdrage". I HAVE seen some crazy hyperbole though, along the lines of "GW has destroyed everything, I'm selling all my stuff" étc.

I've heard that it's called Kingdom of man not Empire anymore.

Mymearan wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm looking at the chaos models as a cheap option for Forsaken and Chosen. The marauder-y guys will be forsaken, the pumped up warriors will be chosen. The sigmarite stuff does look like Warmahordes had a baby with Space Marines. If WMH wasn't a thing, those would look like an interesting new concept that marks the divide between fantasy and 40k. As it is, they're ripping off PP. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried to sue PP and got countersued into oblivion and PP won the entire line of Warhammer.

Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. People saying Sigmarines look like Basileans is hilarious. Yes, no one thought of the idea of angelic knights before Mantic.

Yeah, it's just GW who tries to pretend they created everything and sue everyone else!

Mymearan wrote:

Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. People saying Sigmarines look like Basileans is hilarious. Yes, no one thought of the idea of angelic knights before Mantic.

The general point being made is this entire release and the similarities to other lines just sinks GW's insistence that GW comes up with these ideas, spontaneously and in isolation. This is turn makes this exact line of defense they used in a court of law seem even more farcical.

Mymearan wrote:
[Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. People saying Sigmarines look like Basileans is hilarious. Yes, no one thought of the idea of angelic knights before Mantic.

They do look like Basileans, to a degree, and Basileans were released earlier. I don't see how any of that is incorrect.

Mantic certainly didn't invent the concept of angelic knights. As GW has not invented virtually anything they produce, despite their claims during a certain lawsuit.

Azreal13 wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm looking at the chaos models as a cheap option for Forsaken and Chosen. The marauder-y guys will be forsaken, the pumped up warriors will be chosen. The sigmarite stuff does look like Warmahordes had a baby with Space Marines. If WMH wasn't a thing, those would look like an interesting new concept that marks the divide between fantasy and 40k. As it is, they're ripping off PP. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried to sue PP and got countersued into oblivion and PP won the entire line of Warhammer.

Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. People saying Sigmarines look like Basileans is hilarious. Yes, no one thought of the idea of angelic knights before Mantic.

Yeah, it's just GW who tries to pretend they created everything and sue everyone else!

zedmeister wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. People saying Sigmarines look like Basileans is hilarious. Yes, no one thought of the idea of angelic knights before Mantic.

The general point being made is this entire release and the similarities to other lines just sinks GW's insistence that GW comes up with these ideas, spontaneously and in isolation. This is turn makes this exact line of defense they used in a court of law seem even more farcical.

Korinov wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
[Except PP just ripped off Blizzard. Everyone "rips off" everyone, that's how things work. People saying Sigmarines look like Basileans is hilarious. Yes, no one thought of the idea of angelic knights before Mantic.

They do look like Basileans, to a degree, and Basileans were released earlier. I don't see how any of that is incorrect.

Mantic certainly didn't invent the concept of angelic knights. As GW has not invented virtually anything they produce, despite their claims during a certain lawsuit.

Oh, the lawsuit? That horse has been reduced to a bloody pile of meat at this point from the collective beating it gets in every GW thread. I don't think anyone agrees with GWs (or rather, their legal team's) views in that regard anyway. Everything ever created was inspired by something that came before, to a greater or lesser degree.

Timetowaste: aye, I sorta got that. Sorry for the sniggering.

Avrik_Shasla wrote:Why are so many people screaming?

I'd get checked for tinnitus, mate.

Hold on to your boots, this release is going to be amazing.

Or it'll flop like a wet fish.

As people have said, yeah, these are competently made, and yeah, kids go for 40K's big shiny spays mureen aesthetic. But as people have also said, we don't know too much about the rules or prices (which are two metrics which have probably had a bigger effect on the popularity of GW games), and it seems like fewer kids are buying even space marines these days (and is it kids, or twenty-thirty-somethings with a similar vulnerability to dazzlement?)

I'm not saying it'll fail. Maybe this is where GW will turn it around. I dunno. I'm genuinely curious. We have only seen two pics. But again, that's no reason to be so certain about success, either. Years of GW pants-on-head management, player weariness, and Warhammer FB taken to the brink, vs. two 'oooh shiny' moments. We'll see how it plays out.

Desubot wrote:
People where complaining that they look too Space marineee.

still dont see it.l

I have the feeling that if you're immersed in one or both of GW's two core games for the vast majority (or totality) of your wargaming hobby, staring at the minis and art every day, the particular details and nuances of minis and factions will become ingrained and minor variations will be picked out. But when you take a metaphorical step or two back and start viewing a slightly bigger picture, the general look and theme becomes a bit more noticeable. (I know about that kind of thing meself. I can still recognise and recall a lot of details of minis and fluff. I used to be big into tyranids - I even had some tiny bit of an impact among some other fans - but these days I'd find it difficult to apply a name to any model released after 4th ed, except maybe the trygon. [an old Epic concept revamped by FW first.] They're all a blur of teeth and ribs and spikes.)
Point being, yeah, I can see how these are not like space marines. I can see the differences to the details of the ubiquitous mark 7 armour: shoulder pads (are these ones more protectable?), greaves, helmets, no nuclear-reactor backpack and so on. But if you take a step or two back and take in the whole ridonkulously chunky, thick-set 'plate' armour on glorious superhuman warrior 'angels' look, even without the greco-romanesque sculpting reminiscent of those... Blood Angel... thingies... and the identity of GW's best selling faction in their other game (in any of their games), it begins to pop out just a little more.

migooo wrote:
I've heard that it's called Kingdom of man not Empire anymore.

That would make sense (could anyone confirm that?)

Why don't the Thunder Warriors have boltguns? Because that's what they are, right? Soldiers of the God King (or is it Emperor) arriving in flashes of light to unite humanity? Looks like they wear their shoulder pads upside down and forgot their power backpacks, though!

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
I had a feeling something was strange about this release and I just figured out what it was; no wizards!Very strange to see only warrior and creature models. I wonder if the characters will have access to divine powers or something.

Well, the Sigmarines are probably more like Divine Warriors/Clerics/Priests and Khorne, well, no wizards allowed there friend!

Literally nothing in those pictures says WARHAMMER to me.

If you had posted them saying they were the next release for Warmachine I wouldn't have given it a second thought.

If GW wanted to do something different why didn't they just do a new game. There was no need to kill Warhammer for this.

Guess I need to go panic buy the last dozens boxes of stuff I need for my high elves and Skaven. I can see the whole WFB range going the way of the dodo.

Hummm, correct me if Im wrong but the main trend here seems to be that 40k fans and new folks are loving this and vets not that much?

 Tamereth wrote:
Literally nothing in those pictures says WARHAMMER to me.

What about the warhammers? Don't those say Warhammer?