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2015/06/27 17:49:03
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
BAD! VERY BAD KIT! I mean shoulder pads split in half? attached arms to torso... a huge step back in plastic kits sprues.
This is just how GW does starter kits now. Look at the terminators in the current 40k starter. If/when these guys get their own box release I'm sure they'll have separate arms and such
2015/06/27 18:10:52
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
BAD! VERY BAD KIT! I mean shoulder pads split in half? attached arms to torso... a huge step back in plastic kits sprues.
This is just how GW does starter kits now. Look at the terminators in the current 40k starter. If/when these guys get their own box release I'm sure they'll have separate arms and such
Was going to say, this is how GW has been doing starter kits for the last releases of 40k and WFB.
2015/06/27 18:18:11
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Runic wrote:
Do none of you realize that there is no actual evidence of anything like this ( next to the idea being completely ridiculous? ) Basing the success of a product on one faction of another game?
The faction that apparently outsells everything else, by itself? Replicated in a game that was apparently on it's last legs?
You all just presume this is the case, while in reality the designers were probably given a task of creating angelic warriors, and this is what they came up with without any thought of "let's make space marines to lure players yo" -in their head. Such a silly idea.
The Space Marines that apparently lure players in and outsell everything else, yadda yadda yadda?
Preposterous.
The image of management and designers meeting and going "let's make them resemble space marines, that's the best way to sell an entire new game into which we've poured hundreds of thousands of dollars if not more, not to mention the countless hours and employees working on it" ( which is what you just said on point ) is just unfathomably dumb.
By George, I think he's got it.
And I was talking about the games whole success being based on making a few units look like Space Marines, which is still just plain ridiculous. C'mon, you can't be serious. But obviously you missed that, despite the fact I underlined it around 4 times, since you are talking about another thing entirely.
Vermis is back, everyone yay.
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Yeah, I don't really like them. I think GW's design concepts are getting weaker. I'll be skipping this release unless GW reveals models or rules that blow me away. But I don't expect that to happen.
2015/06/27 18:42:25
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Not a fan of the Sigmarite, they really don'T fit the Empire aesthetics, maybe with different color, they'd be better? I don't know, I also feel like they look way too fantasy ish, compared to the Empire infantry
All the books are now off the GW websites....so if you want a 8th edition army book its too late unless you get it from one of your flgs or online (deals might be coming then!)
2015/06/27 18:45:29
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Yeah, I don't really like them. I think GW's design concepts are getting weaker. I'll be skipping this release unless GW reveals models or rules that blow me away. But I don't expect that to happen.
Chaos stuff is great though no?
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
"Feelin' goods, good enough".
2015/06/27 18:45:37
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
chiefbigredman wrote: All the books are now off the GW websites....so if you want a 8th edition army book its too late unless you get it from one of your flgs or online (deals might be coming then!)
Picked up Dwarfs for 50% off already. Sadly, they were out of O&G. And even sadder, Skaven don't even have an up to date (hardback) army book, and now they never will. That is the true crime of Age of Sigmar.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2015/06/27 18:47:23
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
chiefbigredman wrote: All the books are now off the GW websites....so if you want a 8th edition army book its too late unless you get it from one of your flgs or online (deals might be coming then!)
Picked up Dwarfs for 50% off already. Sadly, they were out of O&G. And even sadder, Skaven don't even have an up to date (hardback) army book, and now they never will. That is the true crime of Age of Sigmar.
Bretonnians would like a word...
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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2015/06/27 18:49:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Bobthehero wrote:Not a fan of the Sigmarite, they really don'T fit the Empire aesthetics, maybe with different color, they'd be better? I don't know, I also feel like they look way too fantasy ish, compared to the Empire infantry
They aren't Empire though, as far as we know. I posted a photoshop of them silver earlier in the thread if you wanna see a different colour
chiefbigredman wrote: All the books are now off the GW websites....so if you want a 8th edition army book its too late unless you get it from one of your flgs or online (deals might be coming then!)
Picked up Dwarfs for 50% off already. Sadly, they were out of O&G. And even sadder, Skaven don't even have an up to date (hardback) army book, and now they never will. That is the true crime of Age of Sigmar.
Bretonnians would like a word...
And Beastmen. Not for a second saying they've been waiting as long but they still have a paperback book.
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2015/06/27 19:02:51
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Runic wrote:
Do none of you realize that there is no actual evidence of anything like this ( next to the idea being completely ridiculous? ) Basing the success of a product on one faction of another game?
The faction that apparently outsells everything else, by itself? Replicated in a game that was apparently on it's last legs?
You all just presume this is the case, while in reality the designers were probably given a task of creating angelic warriors, and this is what they came up with without any thought of "let's make space marines to lure players yo" -in their head. Such a silly idea.
The Space Marines that apparently lure players in and outsell everything else, yadda yadda yadda?
Preposterous.
The image of management and designers meeting and going "let's make them resemble space marines, that's the best way to sell an entire new game into which we've poured hundreds of thousands of dollars if not more, not to mention the countless hours and employees working on it" ( which is what you just said on point ) is just unfathomably dumb.
By George, I think he's got it.
And I was talking about the games whole success being based on making a few units look like Space Marines, which is still just plain ridiculous. C'mon, you can't be serious. But obviously you missed that, despite the fact I underlined it around 4 times, since you are talking about another thing entirely.
Vermis is back, everyone yay.
That's pretty much exactly describing 40K, so why not Fantasy?
As much as I'm undecided on the idea, I can't fault the logic of "Fantasy is dying, 40K is much more successful. Space Marines prop up 40K and are lacking an analogous faction in Fantasy, let's do Medieval Marines!"
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
The Sigmarites - I think I just hate the 'spiked halo' thing. The rest of the fig is ok, especially when shown in that blue/silver color-scheme.
Lots of hammers, it seems, in both provided factions. Lots of blunt-bloody-bludgeoning-beatdowns to come!
The AoS logo in that pic... spikey Sigmarite halo on the left edge, Chaos-star on the right... very curious.
Why do people keep calling the mount-thing a 'cat'? It seems to me that it's not a 'cat' at all, unless cats have barbed tails and what looks like scales. I supposed it could be some sort of lizard-cat...
Some people are going to compare the Sigmarites to Space Marines because there are definitely some general similarities. They wear heavy armor. Certain portions of that armor are exaggerated. They're 'good guys'. They're made by the same company. Etc. etc. But I think most people can see there are also distinctly obvious -differences-, as well - enough so that calling them 'Fantasy Space Marines' is a bit imperceptive.
"Wheels within wheels, in a spiral array, a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way, our causes can't see their effects."
2015/06/27 19:06:31
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Why do people keep calling the mount-thing a 'cat'? It seems to me that it's not a 'cat' at all, unless cats have barbed tails and what looks like scales. I supposed it could be some sort of lizard-cat...
No idea when looked at objectively. Still just seems like BattleCat from HeMan
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
"Feelin' goods, good enough".
2015/06/27 19:07:24
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July -- SIgmar and Chaos pics in 1st post
Vermis wrote: We'll stop now for a rest. Do you understand what I've been saying?
Yes, you are saying that two things are exactly the same if you can use the same adjectives to loosely describe them
Obviously you don't understand what I've been saying. But yes, we'll stop now.
Bottle wrote:
The point you make about people liking Fantasy for it being the average human against insurmountable demonic odds is only relavent for Empire players.
I am an Empire player.
If you're going to bring up how different the design is of these new models compared to stuff 30 years old (is that how old Realm of Chaos is? I dunno), then your problem is not with AoS but where Fantasy has been for years and years. The previous marauders were also tanked on steroids.
The point I was making if you compare the Chaos of AoS to the Chaos of 8th and you were a fan of the Chaos of 8th. What's not to like about the AoS Chaos? They look awesome and every sculpt is packed with energy and movement. GW have done a great job :-)
You don't understand either. Even things like high elves and dwarfs are basically skinny mixups of hittites, egyptians, persians etc. and short comedy vikings, applied to the usual nordic/Tolkien archetypes. They're a bit special, a bit leet in their way, a different shape, but still basically 'people'. (A joke I heard with the release of D&D 4th ed, which introduced tieflings as PCs, was that elf PCs just weren't speshul enough anymore) Then you apply the fantasy veneer of wizards, a few monsters, and a couple of wacky war machines. Just like the Empire, just like most of the others.
Yes, marauders were beefy. They were beefy when I discovered WFB during 6th ed. It doesn't invalidate my point. In fact it reinforces my point that WFB was slowly building to the OTT style. Chaos thugs and marauders before that were often chunky, but not nearly like the giant Schwarzenegger plastics. Ditto with orcs. And while those were around, plenty of other races still stayed relatively petite - scale-hiccup ham-hands nonwithstanding. (In fact, I'll point at scale creep too. I started a lizardmen army during 6th ed and was peeved to see the then-new, bigger, subhorizontal saurus could barely rank up on even 25mm bases.) But in the last few years the boost in plastic production capability has led to things that leave the plastic marauders and Brian Nelson orcs in the dust. Everyone gets more monsters, and bigger ones. The age of monstrous cavalry arrived. More and more wacky war machines, and bigger ones. Vaguely A6-sized bases abound. The rules followed suit and the basic infantry became a footnote until they were given the twin sticking-plasters of 'horde' and 'steadfast'. From what I hear even that meta shifted back to mo' monsters, mo' monsters, mo' monsters towards the end. And that was so successful that they had to wipe Warhammer clean and start again.
But not before they offered up another clatter of giant monsters and kits, which some went nuts for and others went 'pff, really?' That included the marauder-dwarfing khorne boys that, yeah, look fairly similar to the khorne faction in these leaks. All steroidz and spikez and gnarly weaponz and khorney themes. You're right, Bottle, if you're a current Chaos fan you've certainly got more of the same to look forward to. (but someone will be along in a minute to argue that one bare-chested uber-muscled model covered in khorne imagery has nothing at all to do with another bare-chested uber-muscled model covered in khorne imagery)
But here's the thing, Bottle. Here's what you and others can't seem to grasp. Some Chaos fans don't want more of the same. Some WFB fans don't want more of the same. More of the same, but more so. More of the same, doubled down. More of the same OTT. But that's what GW is giving them with this. And some do want more of the same, but with more of the same big battle WFB. But that's not what GW is giving them with this.
For many people it's not just a matter of gazing at some glittery object, then dropping it in the mud to reach out for the next glittery object. GW can't just release any old thing and expect all the sheep (their word) to buy it unquestioned. That's what's got them into bother in the first place: it's not that 'haters gonna hate', or fans gonna moan, or that you can't please all of the people all of the time; it's that GW doesn't really care if it pleases anyone or not, 'cos it thinks they'll buy anyway. That's why the Warhammer World was burnt to a cinder and a new ruleset released, rather than just dialling back on a few things. That's why all these terrible alternative games that have the effrontery to exist are gaining traction and weaseling into discussions about dissatisfaction with GW.
Will AoS save FB? I dunno. Maybe. It is only two photos so far, the model-count buy-in did need to be cut, and a lot of people are looking positively on it. Maybe it'll be a resounding success.
But Bottle, not every genuine Warhammer fan will like it. And that's okay.
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BAD! VERY BAD KIT! I mean shoulder pads split in half? attached arms to torso... a huge step back in plastic kits sprues.
Da hatin' is getting silly.
Dark Vengeance push-fit Chosen are split down the shoulder pads and have attached arms to torso. And people often cite them as some of the best models in recent years, better even than the multipart range for Chaos Marines.
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