Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Boss Salvage**

streamdragon wrote:
Sounds like the rulebook will be extremely bare bones: how to move, how to fight, possibly how to do morale. Things like Special Rules (e.g., unbreakable, regeneration, flaming attacks, etc.) will probably be on the unit cards themselves.

Sounds about right, and I can think of several (now defunct FWIW) games that worked the same way.

Really unsure how to take the simpler / spread out / free rules news, but it makes a ton of sense from a marketing perspective, and it really falls in line with GW playing to their strengths - i.e. their vastly superior plastic kits, not their rules writing (or fluff any longer, I suppose).

- Salvage

**nels1031**

Super excited with this news!

**Red Viper**

I haven't played Wrath of Kings, but they have a similar set up.

I think it's a much easier way to play.

Have special rules on a card in front of you, instead of having to flip through a book will really help speed up the game. Especially in a new system.

I still don't like the Sigmarines, but I like everything mikhaila said.

Looking forward to the 4th. I may skip a BBQ to go to GW... haven't been there in over a year.

**NAVARRO**

WHAT?

All my gobbos will celebrate tonight with a funny mushroom soup... and my nurglings will just crap themselves in a perfect symphony!

Bring it on, I like the sound of this and if the rules are engaging this could be quite the turning point for the system.

**MaxT**

Maybe they've finally realized that virtually every competitor gives away their core rules for free and their cost of entry was simply too high. Maybe even done some market research !

**Nvs**

I'm def in favor of the general rules being available for free online. Hopefully 40k does the same thing.

If they could find a way to get all of the generic rules online for free (even if this means stripping all lore and backrgound information from them) and redesign their army boxes into self contained individual starter sets with self contained rules in the $50-75 range so new players had a reasonable way to enter the hobby it could be bright future to look forward to.

Especially if they introduce some kind of 'beta forum' so players can provide feedback on experimental rules.

**JohnnyHell**

Or realised that 99% of the core rules are ignored by special rules anyway. Do a zero sum on the rules and start from s level playing playing field again!

**Necros**

mikhaila wrote:
So, just got off the phone with my GW rep. They are really going big on this one. I've been offered quite a few nice incentives to support the launch, and will be receiving free copies of the box, demo armies, credit on old product, posters, prizes, etc. Thursday I'll receive a full copy of the rules with i will take home and eat with ketchup and spend a day digesting. Nice incentives across the board for retailers that take a bunch of them, support the launch, (and are currently paying their bills, of course.)

Info I was told:

-It's not 9th edition WFB, its a totally different game. There is no 9th edition coming. There is no huge rule book coming. Age of Sigmar is the main product.

-Most of the leaks on the internet are wrong. I'll be able to confirm this Thursday. In particular the bit about different formations is incorrect.

-The 96 page book is a hobby book, painting, history, how to play examples etc. The 4 pages of rules is indeed the rules. Laminated.

-Each unit in the game has a War Scroll that has the rules specific to that unit. So rules for each artillery piece will be on that unit's scroll, each monster will have a scroll, etc.

-The 4 pages of rules and all War Scrolls will be free and online July 4th at midnight. This will be a living document.

lets say that again, since some of the words like "free" may seem surprising to some folks

-The 4 pages of rules and all War Scrolls will be free and online July 4th at midnight. This will be a living document[u]

-Cost is 125.00 in the US

-There may be additional books in the near future, hobbyist/collectors items. Not at all needed for the game, and may not even have the rules in the them. Age of Sigmar: The Big Book of pictures and how to paint....etc. There is no HC big rulebook like we had in WFB, no 3 rule books in a slipcover like in 40k. Just the Age of Sigmar box. And the rules for that box are online and free along with rules for all the old models in your army.

-Supposedly doesn't matter how things are based.

-Scales well from skirmish to large battles. Leave your models ranked and on bases if you like.

Looking forward to reading it all on Thursday.

Setting the record straight once again!

Mayhaps I'll swing by sunday to take a look, but I don't know if there's anything in the box set I need. I like how much the rules cost though and as long as I can keep playing with my goblinses and skinks I'll be happy.

**Jambles**

I'm feeling pessimistic about this, personally. Someone mentioned it sounds too good to be true and I'm in that camp. They say it's a "different game" not intended to be Fantasy's new edition... but that strikes me as a bit of doublespeak, like sure it's not the new WFB but we're still not continuing with that product line.

Now, that said, is that necessarily a bad thing? Fantasy players will be understandably put out, sure, but honestly... I think it isn't a bad move. Phase out the bloated, ancient games they have, and bring in something new and fresh. There's only so much patching you can do before it's more feasible to start from scratch.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

If the rules come with each unit, then that has to be the end of army books and all the fluff that went with them

And how does this effect Australia? Will they get rules with the unit boxes?

**Bull0**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If the rules come with each unit, then that has to be the end of army books and all the fluff that went with them

And how does this effect Australia? Will they get rules with the unit boxes?

Even if they stopped doing annual army books I doubt they'll stop doing the supplement books with formations / detachments, wargear, warlord traits, spells etc in them.

**StormKing**

Nooooo I should have bought all the 8th edition army books that I possibly could when I had the chance :(

**migooo**

chiefbigredman wrote:
Nooooo I should have bought all the 8th edition army books that I possibly could when I had the chance :(

I stopped buying at 7th and honestly I'm happier for it.

**streamdragon**

Boss Salvage wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
Sounds like the rulebook will be extremely bare bones: how to move, how to fight, possibly how to do morale. Things like Special Rules (e.g., unbreakable, regeneration, flaming attacks, etc.) will probably be on the unit cards themselves.
Sounds about right, and I can think of several (now defunct FWIW) games that worked the same way.

Really unsure how to take the simpler / spread out / free rules news, but it makes a ton of sense from a marketing perspective, and it really falls in line with GW playing to their strengths - i.e. their vastly superior plastic kits, not their rules writing (or fluff any longer, I suppose).

- Salvage

I'm okay with it, as it reminds me of gathering unit cards for 40k waaaaay back in the day when I first started playing. Similar-ish to the new way of doing 40k armies by formations and such.

I just want to know how my skaven are going to fare. I'm kind of hoping this isn't a "we'll have backwards compatibility, but they won't get anything new" situation. I have plenty of models to assemble on round bases if its worthwhile, but meh. Tempted to shave down my square bases into octagons. Close enough to a circular base, but still able to rank up if I want to.

Mostly I'm curious about magic. Will magic be in the 4 pages, or will it be covered on a by-unit basis. I feel like it almost certainly has to be the second option.

**namiel**

Apple fox wrote:
Some interesting stuff there Mikhaila.

Did they happen to say what the war scrolls actuly are?
Cards or a full page sorta thing ?

Sounds like they are at least looking to try some new stuff.
But interest here has been whole negative so I don't think I will be getting anything unless the rules are great.

no such internet forum is ever positive. Don't let the naysayers here dissuade you from enjoying a game

**Flashman**

Kind of sounds like the X Wing approach where all the rules/tokens etc come with the model you buy.

They'd already started it with End Times.

**Plumbumbarum**

Crimson wrote:
gorgon wrote:

Personally, I think AoS seems to be at least an attempt to address many common complaints about WFB, including high model counts, stale fluff, lack of a good starter army, too much grim dark, etc.

There is no such thing as too much grim dark!

This.

Who complained too much grimdark in whfb btw? Warmahordes players? World of Warcraft tough guys? In 40k it's usually Tau players and I have the impression that some of them wandered into wrong game, dont really get it and would love to see the universe turned into another sleek, serious, reasonable and full of contrast sf. Mass Effect is that way.

**Hulksmash**

Sounds really good. And I can attest to the game going much smoother when all the special rules are on the cards.

Wrath of Kings plays super fast and easy and I don't think we opened the rulebook after the first game because all the relevant info is on cards. Only thing we use the rulebook for now is "objectives".

I've got high hopes for this. I'm going to go round with most of my stuff I think. I'm really excited for this. Also wish Mikhaila had had a dwarf book to finish off my 8th edition hardbacks but the other 5 books were great

**lord_blackfang**

Free, online, living ruleset?

This isn't the GW I know and love (to hate)! Give me back my old, stupid, GW!

**A Town Called Malus**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Free, online, living ruleset?

This isn't the GW I know and love (to hate)! Give me back my old, stupid, GW!

Just wait and see the rules. There's still hope

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Flashman wrote:
Kind of sounds like the X Wing approach where all the rules/tokens etc come with the model you buy.

They'd already started it with End Times.

As somebody not familiar with X-Wing, where does the fluff come from? Is it in the box? Yes, everybody's heard about Star wars

, but suppose you were that rare person who had been raised by an extremely reclusive Amazonia tribe.

I don't expect you to have the answer to where the AOS fluff will feature, but if army books are going out the window

**lord_blackfang**

Can we just agree something now? The first ten dudes who are able to access the GW site on July 4th at midnight before the server commits ritual suicide, please re-host the files.

**Pacific**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Flashman wrote:
Kind of sounds like the X Wing approach where all the rules/tokens etc come with the model you buy.

They'd already started it with End Times.

As somebody not familiar with X-Wing, where does the fluff come from? Is it in the box? Yes, everybody's heard about Star wars , but suppose you were that rare person who had been raised by an extremely reclusive Amazonia tribe.

I don't expect you to have the answer to where the AOS fluff will feature, but if army books are going out the window

You get specific rules for units with each miniature you buy.

So, just the basic mechanics of how to play are in the rulebook.

But as said, it's not like X-Wing is a complex game, and even the page count for that is somewhat larger.

4-pages? Nevermind losing tactical moves, flanking attacks, skirmishing units, this sounds like it's going to be extremely simplified.

**Necros**

I imagine they would still be doing army books.. maybe more along the lines of just fluff and pictures and painting guides, not rules?

**Nevelon**

I’m not going to buy the box, but I can take the time to download and read free rules and dataslates for my old armies. Unless they suck outrageously, I might even try to get some games in.

And if I get back into playing, I might just buy some new stuff. Well played GW. The cost of rules has been a major barrier to play. Getting rid of it might just be what it takes for them to live.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Pacific wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Flashman wrote:
Kind of sounds like the X Wing approach where all the rules/tokens etc come with the model you buy.

They'd already started it with End Times.

As somebody not familiar with X-Wing, where does the fluff come from? Is it in the box? Yes, everybody's heard about Star wars , but suppose you were that rare person who had been raised by an extremely reclusive Amazonia tribe.

I don't expect you to have the answer to where the AOS fluff will feature, but if army books are going out the window

You get specific rules for units with each miniature you buy.

So, just the basic mechanics of how to play are in the rulebook.

But as said, it's not like X-Wing is a complex game, and even the page count for that is somewhat larger.

4-pages? Nevermind losing tactical moves, flanking attacks, skirmishing units, this sounds like it's going to be extremely simplified.

Yeah, but what about the fluff, Pacific?

I want fluff damn it!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

**tommse**

I´d like GW to go the way Privateer Press goes with their Forces of X books. They have the background and all the rules of their specific faction but you don´t have to get the book since all models come with their cards anyway. I´m pretty intrigued...

**Nevelon**

I’ve not read a lot of the Black Library novels, but it seems that there is an endless stream of them crossing the shelves of my local bookstore. It seems like that might the option for fluff junkies? Of course, it would be nice to have good summaries for new players to help find their niche.

**Thunderfrog**

Fluff will be relegated to Magic the Gathering style "fluff teasers", telling a barebones story through italicized witty quotes and descriptive prose.

**lord_blackfang**

Imagine if a box of troops, a box of elites and a monster or warmachine is plenty to play a normal sized game... doesn't that make you want to collect all the factions?

But then... slowly... the game size creeps up...