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Mother of God. This is just blow after blow. Those names... words can not express It's funny because I was willing to overlook the balance issues and I just about came to terms with the huge humans but the names of the races... I just can't. Sorry GW.

 Sidstyler wrote:
No, this is the kind of game you buy so you can use the models in another game.

No, this is the kind of game you don't buy and wait for the boxes of models come out so you can convert them into true scale space marines. Who needs all the other gak?

JonWebb wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Not any Pokemon I know of, and I genuinely have caught them all...

Looks like a furry deviant artist with a thing for eevee goes by that name though, is that the confusion?

Yep. My bad. Turns out that Seraphon was the name of Malekith's dragon though...lizard, dragon....

 Sidstyler wrote:

No, this is the kind of game you buy so you can use the models in another game.

But you're damned if if you do, damned if you don't as GW don't do any market research. You've just gone and added +1 to their unit sales for AoS regardless of what you're using it for.

 Freytag93 wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Can someone put up a list of new names vs old

my eyes are bleeding too heavily.

Spoiler:

What I can derive so far...

Dwarves- Duardin
Dark Elves- Red Slayers? (not anywhere near positive on this one)
Lizardmen- Seraphon
Beastmen- Brayherd
Skaven- Still Skaven!
Vampire Counts- Deathmages?
Orcs- Orruks
Grots- Still Grots!
Ogres- Ogors

I'm assuming Elves will be renamed, just don't see them mentioned. Humans, well, maybe they'll be called "Kirbians"?

To add to and clarify on this:
Order:
Sigmar and his Stormcast Eternals -new
Duardin - dwarfs
Red Slayers - regular humans: empire, bretonnia, etc. (not clear on this)
Aelf - combined elves: dark, high, and wood
Seraphon - lizardmen

Chaos:
Mortal followers (if a new name, not clear) - WoC
Bray herds (also not clear on if new name. I am inclined to say it will stay beastmen) - beastmen
Skaven/ratmen - skaven (duh)
Daemon hosts - DoC

Death:
Not specified, though there are some pretty "inspired" names included such as deathmages, deathrattlers, and dead walkers (cause those of course aren't anything related to zombies - combination of VoC and Tomb Kings

Destruction:
Orruks - Orks
Grots - Goblins
Ogors - OK

So the gang's all here, unlike some rumors that said lizardmen and others would be fazed out (though I guess Bret is still unconfirmed). Seems to have a lot of options for Order (anyone else seeing the new IoM allies/battle-bros situation?). Death seems to have the least, which makes me wonder if GW has something planned to add another sub-faction to it.

Of course everything that comes from me is pure speculation and definitely not an invitation for pretre to track

"Damnit lads, we've been left out AGAIN!"

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

No, this is the kind of game you buy so you can use the models in another game.

But you're damned if if you do, damned if you don't as GW don't do any market research. You've just gone and added +1 to their unit sales for AoS regardless of what you're using it for.

So there's fantasy stuff supposedly from now until October so week after AoS book 1?

Turns out there's a Seraphimon Digimon character. Look familiar?





Bandai's totally going to get a C&D from GW legal:

So anyone know any other fantasy rules Save for mantic ones then?

OI! Who approved these names?
Orrucks?! Ogors?
Really? I mean Really!?


GW paranoia with the IP is going to be the death of them, to the point they destroy their own established Icons.

I have to ask again... does anyone have ANY knowledge of the writers?

Is Jeremy Vetock involved in this, or was he given hush-money and shown the door?

migooo wrote:
So anyone know any other fantasy rules Save for mantic ones then?

There's Armies of Arcana

http://www.armiesofarcana.com/downloads.aspx

I haven't checked those out yet as I've been going through the KoW2 Bet stuff.

 NAVARRO wrote:
OI! Who approved these names?
Orrucks?! Ogors?
Really? I mean Really!?


GW paranoia with the IP is going to be the death of them, to the point they destroy their own established Icons.

I thought it was getting bad with minor changes like Imperial Guard to Astra Militarum but this just takes the biscuit. Anything to be said for starting a Save Warhammer petition on Change.org?? ...........

migooo wrote:
So anyone know any other fantasy rules Save for mantic ones then?

Well, apart from Mantic, you have:

Darklands (Dark Age earth where all the legends are true with influences for Celts, Angles, Saxons, Fomorians etc)

Wargods (Classic period mythology with Egyptian/Roman/Grecan themes)

Confrontation (though the company has been defunct for a while)

Also, there's a couple of games by CMON, mostly boardgames as well as Wrath of Kings


Can't think of much else fantasy based ranges at present. They'll all require new models though.

Aelf will probably be split among the different races that reside among different planes. High will be in the Light realm, Dark will be in Shadow, and Wood in Life.

Cheers

RacerX wrote:
I have to ask again... does anyone have ANY knowledge of the writers?

Is Jeremy Vetock involved in this, or was he given hush-money and shown the door?

Vermis already said who. Alan Smithee.

 zedmeister wrote:

migooo wrote:
So anyone know any other fantasy rules Save for mantic ones then?

Darklands (Dark Age earth where all the legends are true with influences for Celts, Angles, Saxons, Fomorians etc)

Wargods (Classic period mythology with Egyptian/Roman/Grecan themes)

Confrontation (though the company has been defunct for a while)

Wrath of Kings

Warmachine / Hordes

Of Gods and Mortals

People in the know can add more, sure they're out there. Wargods and Kings of War are block-based, all the rest are skirmish.

- Salvage

So, i just got off the phone with one of the higher ups in GW US. Got a bit more perspective, discussed a project.

They are dead serious on the no points. It's something they say they deliberately did, and they aren't backing down from. No book coming, that's it.

So I'm starting a project to come up with a workable system for my stores to run leagues and tournaments with some sort of Army parity.

What I'm considering is taking each warscroll, and converting it into a a format similar to the original TitanLegion/SpaceMarine game. Each warscroll would now have a unit size and a points cost, plus a cost to add more increments to the unit. Points won't be like 8th edition, more similar to how Epic did it, or Privateer currently does it. I'll know more when i get the Warscrolls downloaded this weekend. 400 of them, by the way.

No attempt to balance army vs army since anyone can literally take anything. ( I don't believe you even have to restrict yourself to a faction, things just might work better if you do. ) This actually makes the job easier. Just trying to put a number on relative power of a set number of models.

Example: Ogre bulls, 6 models in a unit, complete with command. 21 points.
Ogre bulls, 3 models, 9 points. May be added to an existing Ogre Bulls unit, or used as a seperate unit.

After initial work is done, i'd like to go back and start larger Warscrolls, similar to how epic had Warhost cards. Basically a core of an army that you added units to. In epic you chose a Warhost, added 2-6 support units, and an optional special unit.

Initial Idea only! I can't really get to work until Friday at Midnight. Might try to get basic points done by the next sunday for a tournament.

Won't be balanced or pretty, just better than nothing.

wow.

I am not really a fantasy player, although I do have the MIB 6th edition set. I am not crazy about the system, but I liked the world. I loved and still have Man O' War. I think GW would have been better just coming up with a new system using the same world they have been using rather than flushing it all down the toilet and starting fresh. I wasn't a fan before, but now I am even less of one.

Really seems like a big risk GW is taking here. I don't see a return of investment like they might be hoping. I think its just going to go in the same direction as the hobbit now.

Again, was never really a fantasy player, but this guarantees I will never be either.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Tank_Dweller wrote:
Mother of God. This is just blow after blow. Those names... words can not express It's funny because I was willing to overlook the balance issues and I just about came to terms with the huge humans but the names of the races... I just can't. Sorry GW.

This thread right now-

That map looks familiar...

If you sat down and tried to come up with the most convulted pile of **** you could think of, I pretty sure age of sigmar would still be worse.

I have yet to hear a single piece of information about the new game that sounds tolerable.

Renaming everything, really, really.

GW will lose a chuck of their player base with this, and that's the last thing they need. They probably have spent a small fortune to do so as well.

I just can't fathom how nobody there could see how bad this was.

What a task that'll be.

Really, though, Mantic is going to take full advantage of this no doubt.

They already have army lists to welcome your existing forces into their game.

That does 90% of the work FOR you!

All you need to do is minor tweak and you are golden.
If they were SMART (and they ARE - Hi Ronnie you bugger!), they will continue to update rules as GW releases new stuff.

If I were Mantic, I would introduce an entire new supplement introducing all the Warhammer races! Provide something in the background that lets players cling to some of the backstory that they like while inculcating them into the Mantic world.

 mikhaila wrote:
So, i just got off the phone with one of the higher ups in GW US. Got a bit more perspective, discussed a project.

They are dead serious on the no points. It's something they say they deliberately did, and they aren't backing down from. No book coming, that's it.

So I'm starting a project to come up with a workable system for my stores to run leagues and tournaments with some sort of Army parity.

What I'm considering is taking each warscroll, and converting it into a a format similar to the original TitanLegion/SpaceMarine game. Each warscroll would now have a unit size and a points cost, plus a cost to add more increments to the unit. Points won't be like 8th edition, more similar to how Epic did it, or Privateer currently does it. I'll know more when i get the Warscrolls downloaded this weekend. 400 of them, by the way.

No attempt to balance army vs army since anyone can literally take anything. ( I don't believe you even have to restrict yourself to a faction, things just might work better if you do. ) This actually makes the job easier. Just trying to put a number on relative power of a set number of models.

Example: Ogre bulls, 6 models in a unit, complete with command. 21 points.
Ogre bulls, 3 models, 9 points. May be added to an existing Ogre Bulls unit, or used as a seperate unit.

After initial work is done, i'd like to go back and start larger Warscrolls, similar to how epic had Warhost cards. Basically a core of an army that you added units to. In epic you chose a Warhost, added 2-6 support units, and an optional special unit.

Initial Idea only! I can't really get to work until Friday at Midnight. Might try to get basic points done by the next sunday for a tournament.

Won't be balanced or pretty, just better than nothing.

This pretty much says it all. In order to make it playable, house rules are required.

 mikhaila wrote:
So I'm starting a project to come up with a workable system for my stores to run leagues and tournaments with some sort of Army parity.

You've got a lot of help if you want it, and if enough of the WHFB vets can be convinced to give WAOS a real go. I'm very interested to see what the community pulls together towards just such an end.

- Salvage

 Xyxox wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
So, i just got off the phone with one of the higher ups in GW US. Got a bit more perspective, discussed a project.

They are dead serious on the no points. It's something they say they deliberately did, and they aren't backing down from. No book coming, that's it.

So I'm starting a project to come up with a workable system for my stores to run leagues and tournaments with some sort of Army parity.

What I'm considering is taking each warscroll, and converting it into a a format similar to the original TitanLegion/SpaceMarine game. Each warscroll would now have a unit size and a points cost, plus a cost to add more increments to the unit. Points won't be like 8th edition, more similar to how Epic did it, or Privateer currently does it. I'll know more when i get the Warscrolls downloaded this weekend. 400 of them, by the way.

No attempt to balance army vs army since anyone can literally take anything. ( I don't believe you even have to restrict yourself to a faction, things just might work better if you do. ) This actually makes the job easier. Just trying to put a number on relative power of a set number of models.

Example: Ogre bulls, 6 models in a unit, complete with command. 21 points.
Ogre bulls, 3 models, 9 points. May be added to an existing Ogre Bulls unit, or used as a seperate unit.

After initial work is done, i'd like to go back and start larger Warscrolls, similar to how epic had Warhost cards. Basically a core of an army that you added units to. In epic you chose a Warhost, added 2-6 support units, and an optional special unit.

Initial Idea only! I can't really get to work until Friday at Midnight. Might try to get basic points done by the next sunday for a tournament.

Won't be balanced or pretty, just better than nothing.

This pretty much says it all. In order to make it playable, house rules are required.

Their really running with the have it your way. and you do what YOU want style of what i cant even call a game.
What a fethin shame.
Well im still in the wait and see. and i have no issues with houseing the points costs at least. that seems an easy thing to do.
That and just play 8th.

RacerX wrote:
Really, though, Mantic is going to take full advantage of this no doubt.

They already have army lists to welcome your existing forces into their game.

That does 90% of the work FOR you!

All you need to do is minor tweak and you are golden.
If they were SMART (and they ARE - Hi Ronnie you bugger!), they will continue to update rules as GW releases new stuff.

If I were Mantic, I would introduce an entire new supplement introducing all the Warhammer races! Provide something in the background that lets players cling to some of the backstory that they like while inculcating them into the Mantic world.

The problem with that is Mantic sucks. They can stay over there in the land of Kickstarter restic trash-landia.


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 mikhaila wrote:
So, i just got off the phone with one of the higher ups in GW US. Got a bit more perspective, discussed a project.

They are dead serious on the no points. It's something they say they deliberately did, and they aren't backing down from. No book coming, that's it.

So I'm starting a project to come up with a workable system for my stores to run leagues and tournaments with some sort of Army parity.

What I'm considering is taking each warscroll, and converting it into a a format similar to the original TitanLegion/SpaceMarine game. Each warscroll would now have a unit size and a points cost, plus a cost to add more increments to the unit. Points won't be like 8th edition, more similar to how Epic did it, or Privateer currently does it. I'll know more when i get the Warscrolls downloaded this weekend. 400 of them, by the way.

No attempt to balance army vs army since anyone can literally take anything. ( I don't believe you even have to restrict yourself to a faction, things just might work better if you do. ) This actually makes the job easier. Just trying to put a number on relative power of a set number of models.

Example: Ogre bulls, 6 models in a unit, complete with command. 21 points.
Ogre bulls, 3 models, 9 points. May be added to an existing Ogre Bulls unit, or used as a seperate unit.

After initial work is done, i'd like to go back and start larger Warscrolls, similar to how epic had Warhost cards. Basically a core of an army that you added units to. In epic you chose a Warhost, added 2-6 support units, and an optional special unit.

Initial Idea only! I can't really get to work until Friday at Midnight. Might try to get basic points done by the next sunday for a tournament.

Won't be balanced or pretty, just better than nothing.

So, to sell their product, you're going to write the rules for their game for them. Man, I hope you make a lot of money off of GW products because if I were in your shoes I'd be welcoming my new MtG overlords.

If I missed it sorry but over on Taco Bell they have pictures of formations (I think they're batallions) and it specifically tells you what you can take per warband. So all the wild speculation about this and that can stop..

"Points" seems like a recklessly clear use of the english language.
I would go with WarSCORE!
When you want a game of Warhammer you scream "What's your WarSCORE!" at your opponent, punch your faction decoder rings together to determine deployment and throw down!

 MLaw wrote:
If I missed it sorry but over on Taco Bell they have pictures of formations (I think they're batallions) and it specifically tells you what you can take per warband. So all the wild speculation about this and that can stop..

Do they tell you what size the units are? Or does the 1+ unit size problem remain?