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 lord marcus wrote:

Or take it like it is, a blatant warriors of valhalla ripped from history, with sigmar as odin.

Much more like this than space marines IMO, at least as far as fluff goes.

Aesthetically, however... yeah. Definitely a lot of parallels.

 Accolade wrote:
Does nobody see the bloody Chaplain?! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

i see what you are calling the Chaplain...
as i said, as a purist, i would never use him as a Chaplain, at least not without a lot of resculpting...

i understand where you guys are coming from, but to me, these guys do not look at all like Space Marines...
they look like very stylized (ie, World of Warcraft) knights...
the lack of anything futuristic looking keeps them standing apart from Marines, in my opinion...

again, i am not refuting that this is a move to capitalize on Marine popularity...
i am only saying that i would never use these models to represent Marines...
they look way too Fantasy for that, and i find it visually jarring when people use Fantasy heavy plate as Marine power armor...

cheers
jah

The Hammers of Sigmar are the greatest of all Stormcast Eternal Stormhosts. All other Stormhosts aspire to be like them, although they can never truly be Hammers of Sigmar. Others also revere their Lord-Celestant as their spiritual liege.

The Anvils of Heldenhammer repaint their armor green after half of their number fall to Chaos during the Age of Chaos, where "brother battled brother and father battled son." Their dark and brooding nature reflects the shame they feel about their betrayal.

The Hallowed Knights are so pure of spirit that they attract the attention of Kaldor Draigo, still lost in the warp. He soon joins their number and teaches them all how to carve their names into Nurgle. He is soon more decorated than a truck stop bathroom stall.

Little is known about the Lions of Sigmar because Games Workshop couldn't be bothered to rip off anymore Space Marine chapters.

 insaniak wrote:
On reflection, the complaints about the Sigmarines seem a little odd... The connected-but-not-really-ness of WHFB and 40K has always been one of the fun things about GW's games. When the Hrud were first hinted at, everyone went 'Yay! Space Skaven!'. Nobody had an issue with Space Ogres, or Space Minotaurs, or Space Beastment, or Space Slann, or Space Elves... But the moment something goes in the other direction we're all (and yes, I included myself there) losing our minds over it.

There are certainly a lot of things to complain about with the direction that GW have chosen to take Warhammer Fantasy... but I can't help but think that the introduction of Space Marines isn't really one of them.

But it's so danged comical!

 lord marcus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

so yeah, i see that GW is trying to capitalize on the popularity of Space Marines, but these models do not look like Marines to me...

They're certainly not identical to Marines, but the design aesthetic is similar in enough ways to see them as a fantasy version of Space Marines, particularly given the 'more than human' fluff backing them up.

Or take it like it is, a blatant warriors of valhalla ripped from history, with sigmar as odin.

Here is one interpretation of the Germanic Wild Hunt, which was lead by Odin in some sources.



"Grimm believed that in pre-Christian Europe, the hunt, led by a god and a goddess, either visited "the land at some holy tide, bringing welfare and blessing, accepting gifts and offerings of the people" or they alternately float "unseen through the air, perceptible in cloudy shapes, in the roar and howl of the winds, carrying on war, hunting or the game of ninepins, the chief employments of ancient heroes: an array which, less tied down to a definite time, explains more the natural phenomenon."

There are so many connections here to norse/germanic Gods that I don't want to write it all. I'll just give a comparison to the Wild Hunt. These are warriors chosen by Odin (Sigmar) that appear as ghostly or divine forms that are often seen in the midst of storms and wind, and whose presence heralds a time of war and plight. They are all warriors that have been taken into Azgard/valhalla (Azyr) for their deeds in battle where they now are forever living (eternal) and may revel in the glory of battle throughout all time.

Maybe it's just that the most i ever got into fantasy was have some ogres because it was the cheapest army to buy into and I just like 40k more, but this actually seems pretty interesting to me. The sigmarines look pretty awesome to me and I'm pretty much gonna go and grab a box of this and split it with a chaos player I know wants to use the chaos half for conversions. Free rules seem like way to good a thing to be true but you know, at least I'm gonna give this a shot. If it sucks then too bad I guess?

 insaniak wrote:

There are certainly a lot of things to complain about with the direction that GW have chosen to take Warhammer Fantasy... but I can't help but think that the introduction of Space Marines isn't really one of them.

I'd probably still have complained, but if they had introduced the Sigmarines as a new incarnation within the Old World, I could have dealt with it better.

So, where can I see these Warscrolls that are out so far?

 insaniak wrote:

RacerX wrote:
There is NO research needed.
The Studio KNOWS what players/collectors want.
Because they ARE players/collectors.

You seem to be assuming that the studio guys are the ones making the decisions about what GW releases...

At least that is what it USED to be.

Yes, once upon a time, it probably was.

GW's recent activities however show that these days, the decisions are all being made by the accountants and the legal department. The studio are (I would expect) just making what they're told to make.

Anything is possible, but the "magic" of the studio was (was), that it created things.
The different sales markets had some input, but it was more "we prefer choice A over choice B"
Or, can you package things a little differently to reach a good price point?

Far far (far) cry from this Market research you are talking about.

They aren't selling biscuits and soap after all!

Unless your first hand knowledge is more recent? Who knows...
I am telling you what it WAS, and what was in the DNA of that place.

I added more images and info to the first post.

ALL HAIL DRACTHONIAN!!!

 insaniak wrote:
On reflection, the complaints about the Sigmarines seem a little odd... The connected-but-not-really-ness of WHFB and 40K has always been one of the fun things about GW's games. When the Hrud were first hinted at, everyone went 'Yay! Space Skaven!'. Nobody had an issue with Space Ogres, or Space Minotaurs, or Space Beastment, or Space Slann, or Space Elves... But the moment something goes in the other direction we're all (and yes, I included myself there) losing our minds over it.

Perhaps it's because we expected different? That we expected something more than just Fantasy Space Marines, right down to Chapters Stormhosts and big shoulder pads.

And maybe that's our fault. Maybe we shouldn't expect more.

I think I may get some of the Sigmarines off e-bay to add to my Space Marine chapter when this disaster quells down a bit. Not interested in a the boxed set ($125?, geez), but a "squad" worth I think would make for some interesting minis.

I wonder if these minis might work in Mantic's Basilea army, perhaps as Elohi? Does make me wonder what Sigmarine calvary might look like (riding dragons?)

So what should someone make of this post in the Painting and Modeling forum?

 servania wrote:
Well age of sigmar is not the new warhammer fantasy it's simply a skirmish scale introductory type game. Fantasy 9th edition is still on its way. My flgs owner spoke to a gw rep and fantasy 9th is separate from aos completely. I'd hold on for a bit and see what 9th actually brings.

Fact or misinformation?

There is so many things i want to say. sooo many. yet words fail me.
the short version of my thoughts is,

"this is an abortion" (insert graphic mental images here)

"any other company and we would have seen this FROM THEM on the first of april... before lunch"

"whoever came up with this in any functional company would get fired"

"what kind of CS is telling people that hey thats system you loved we totally destroyed it and now its up to YOU the people who will sell our product to ACTUALLY MAKE IT WORK AND DO OUR JOB FOR US" i mean WTF. Mikhaila you need a sainthood direct from geedubs for even CONTEMPLATING fixing this total mess.... id have told them to Jam it up their ass and that i wasnt going to order 1 box of this until they came up with a way to make it actually work.

and my mind continues to rant and ramble along...
this is the worst release i have seen, someone said that this was going to be Dead on Arrival. and i dont think you are wrong, infact im thinking of going into GW on saturday and asking for a 40k game because no one is going to be playing this garbage.....

Looks like I'll be painting Celestial Vindicators then.

Too many bottles of teals and turqoises from my unfinished lizardme...Seraphon army.

I think I'm going to be alright with crazy scifi angelic reptile warriors to whoop them Sigmarines.

I feel really bad for you Fantasy fans, but I don't know what exactly to say that wouldn't step on your toes or be out of touch.

But christ. Just christ. They really fethed up with this one.

 Ghaz wrote:
So what should someone make of this post in the Painting and Modeling forum?

 servania wrote:
Well age of sigmar is not the new warhammer fantasy it's simply a skirmish scale introductory type game. Fantasy 9th edition is still on its way. My flgs owner spoke to a gw rep and fantasy 9th is separate from aos completely. I'd hold on for a bit and see what 9th actually brings.

Fact or misinformation?

Saint Vetock was told to stop working on 9th edition WFB. It wasn't what the higher ups wanted. They wanted something radically different. They specifically wanted to get away from points. This info comes from a couple levels higher up than my sales rep.

So GW will really do anything to keep from having to update Brettonians, huh?

Wow, just wow.

The Sigmarite "Chapters" managed to simultaneously jump the shark and take the biscuit.

 Laughing Man wrote:
So GW will really do anything to keep from having to update Brettonians, huh?

And you thought all the radical peasants carting around the bones of grail knights were lying.

Tis the end times!

Apologies if this picture has already been posted but here is the Khorne Lord and his pet "Snuggles" im all of their glory:



And this thing:

The Khorne Lord is okay, but that "thing" is simply awful.

@Laughing Man: hahahahaha
they really did take it to the extreme...
"i'll blow up the world before i give you plastic Questing and Grail Knights!!!"

@Thraxis of Turai: that's a rare trick indeed...
even Fonzi couldn't have taken the biscuit while jumping the shark...

@highlord: teal power, homie!!!

i have to say, i am actually really curious to see what direction they go with the minis after this initial release...
what will the next iteration of Empire minis look like, or the Brets???
will there be Brets, or will they get Squatted???
interesting times ahead...

cheers
jah

Considering the Brets got aggressively squated during End Times. I don't think you'll be seeing them.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
The Khorne Lord is okay, but that "thing" is simply awful.

It's the demon that possesses dreadnoughts and gives rise to Hellbrutes.

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Again, I'm not a WHFB guy so I don't necessarily view these changes as good or bad. I can only speak on the models themselves and it definitely seems to reinforce the notion that GW are very aware that 40k Space Marines are their bread and butter. That Stormcasts/Chapters highlights that fact very well.

I am very interested to see what else comes of this Age of Sigmar WHFB reboot.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Considering the Brets got aggressively squated during End Times. I don't think you'll be seeing them.

I am going to guess that they will get the basic 'Warscroll' that the existing line is supposed to get, but other than that - I agree with you. But I suppose that's always an option they can look at down the road if this game takes off and captures the imagination of the world.

 Laughing Man wrote:
So GW will really do anything to keep from having to update Brettonians, huh?

You think I haven't noticed that?

 mikhaila wrote:
Saint Vetock was told to stop working on 9th edition WFB. It wasn't what the higher ups wanted. They wanted something radically different. They specifically wanted to get away from points. This info comes from a couple levels higher up than my sales rep.

Did they say if the person that made such a decree actually played any GW games, even just once?

That's really the only thing that bugs me, I don't mind the models, or the scrolls, or the SigMarine Chapters. Oh well, horray for house rules I guess.

 Necros wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Saint Vetock was told to stop working on 9th edition WFB. It wasn't what the higher ups wanted. They wanted something radically different. They specifically wanted to get away from points. This info comes from a couple levels higher up than my sales rep.

Did they say if the person that made such a decree actually played any GW games, even just once?

That's really the only thing that bugs me, I don't mind the models, or the scrolls, or the SigMarine Chapters. Oh well, horray for house rules I guess.

Couldn't agree more. I was actually interested om this game before hearing this no point cost nonsense. I was expecting to buy about 300$ of beastmens along with the boxed game, but now, i'll wait till they sort this mess out (if ever).

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And this thing:

...it's got...skulls. Poking out of its skin.

That is one of the stupidest models I think I've ever seen.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And this thing.

...it's got...skulls. Poking out of its skin.

That is one of the stupidest models I think I've ever seen.

It does, and a realy small head..
The weird shoulder tentacle thing also looks realy odd to me, just over design with no style.

They should realy get away from KHORNE for a while.