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I have some hope that some tournaments may stick to 8th. Yes, most tournies use the latest edition, but I feel this is a bit different seeing how radically different AoS looks to be.

Next stop: skull abs. I would seriously buy a miniature with skull abs. Like 6 skulls arranged to look like abs.

Back on topic, I think it would've looked okay if it weren't for the insane number of skulls? The same way the Realm of Battle board would be okay if it weren't for the skull pits? Who the feth collect skulls (and just skulls) and put them in a goddamned pit?

nudibranch wrote:
I have some hope that some tournaments may stick to 8th. Yes, most tournies use the latest edition, but I feel this is a bit different seeing how radically different AoS looks to be.

Our charity tournament on the 8th of October will almost certainly be sticking with 8th (and with prize support from Kromlech)

plug plug: http://phoenixgamingrushden.proboards.com/thread/3233/shadows-stones-help-heroes-tournament

nudibranch wrote:
I have some hope that some tournaments may stick to 8th. Yes, most tournies use the latest edition, but I feel this is a bit different seeing how radically different AoS looks to be.

Technically 8th is the latest edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Age of Sigmar is a new game entirely. I would expect 8th edition WHFB's until either the numbers dwindle or a decent system gets sorted for AoS.

Not sure how I feel about the unit characteristics not interacting with the exception of saving throw/Rend.

True it will free up the game process but I hope that GW have gotten the Save spot on for every unit.

There seems to be some genuine interest in this game at our Club from across the spectrum. If the game is good then I can see it taking off. Big IF though.

I was on the fence on this one but I think I'll pick it up for the Chaos models and the premise has some promise (also the Mother-in-Law owes me a birthday present so it's free! )

Dwarf Warriors, Elf Bowmen and Human Cavalry here I come. It will be like the battle of the Five Armies without the embarrassment of buying a Hobbit product!


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 Fezza213 wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I have some hope that some tournaments may stick to 8th. Yes, most tournies use the latest edition, but I feel this is a bit different seeing how radically different AoS looks to be.

Technically 8th is the latest edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Age of Sigmar is a new game entirely. I would expect 8th edition WHFB's until either the numbers dwindle or a decent system gets sorted for AoS.

I actually dusted off my copy of 3rd Edition last week + Warhammer Siege + Warhammer Armies.

I just need to find a spare 8 hours to play a game.

You gotta have a back up plan!

 ImAGeek wrote:


That doesn't mean it isn't a problem for everyone though, and acting like 'it's fine you can just play old editions' even though it's been pointed out multiple times that that doesn't actually work for everyone just because it might work for you is a very selfish viewpoint.

Yeah, well GW has been catering to you and your playstyle for years now whilst myself and others like me have not been able to enter a store and play the way we want to play. It'd be nice if everyone could play the way they want to, but that hasn't been the case in a long time.

Perhaps now you'll have to do what we've been doing - finding like minded people to play with in garages and clubs. It's a little annoying sometimes, but you'll get used to it. Looks like there'll be plenty of dissatisfied competitive players out there still playing 8th so it shouldn't be too difficult.

 notprop wrote:
Not sure how I feel about the unit characteristics not interacting with the exception of saving throw/Rend.

True it will free up the game process but I hope that GW have gotten the Save spot on for every unit.

There seems to be some genuine interest in this game at our Club from across the spectrum. If the game is good then I can see it taking off. Big IF though.

I was on the fence on this one but I think I'll pick it up for the Chaos models and the premise has some promise (also the Mother-in-Law owes me a birthday present so it's free! )

Dwarf Warriors, Elf Bowmen and Human Cavalry here I come. It will be like the battle of the Five Armies without the embarrassment of buying a Hobbit product!


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 Fezza213 wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I have some hope that some tournaments may stick to 8th. Yes, most tournies use the latest edition, but I feel this is a bit different seeing how radically different AoS looks to be.

Technically 8th is the latest edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Age of Sigmar is a new game entirely. I would expect 8th edition WHFB's until either the numbers dwindle or a decent system gets sorted for AoS.

I actually dusted off my copy of 3rd Edition last week + Warhammer Siege + Warhammer Armies.

I just need to find a spare 8 hours to play a game.

You gotta have a back up plan!

Ouch, call me a new gen short attention span person but I think that's why I am looking forward to AoS, 8 hours for a game and I will either be to drunk to finish or to tired.

Being drunk is part of the fun!

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 Fezza213 wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I have some hope that some tournaments may stick to 8th. Yes, most tournies use the latest edition, but I feel this is a bit different seeing how radically different AoS looks to be.

Technically 8th is the latest edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Age of Sigmar is a new game entirely. I would expect 8th edition WHFB's until either the numbers dwindle or a decent system gets sorted for AoS.

I actually dusted off my copy of 3rd Edition last week + Warhammer Siege + Warhammer Armies.

I just need to find a spare 8 hours to play a game.

You gotta have a back up plan!

And a referee really to get best use out of it. 3rd works great for all day games with a great scenario. Otherwise you're probably better off with 2nd edition.

That Chaos lord is a lovely model, the Beast thing?.... not so much.

Norsed wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


That doesn't mean it isn't a problem for everyone though, and acting like 'it's fine you can just play old editions' even though it's been pointed out multiple times that that doesn't actually work for everyone just because it might work for you is a very selfish viewpoint.

Yeah, well GW has been catering to you and your playstyle for years now whilst myself and others like me have not been able to enter a store and play the way we want to play. It'd be nice if everyone could play the way they want to, but that hasn't been the case in a long time.

Perhaps now you'll have to do what we've been doing - finding like minded people to play with in garages and clubs. It's a little annoying sometimes, but you'll get used to it. Looks like there'll be plenty of dissatisfied competitive players out there still playing 8th so it shouldn't be too difficult.

I never said it was my playstyle, if anything I'm more casual/narrative. And the idea that GW has been catering to competitive play is just wrong, that would've required a tight ruleset which GW are either unwilling or incapable to write.

Speaking of third edition, anyone else looking forward to being able to use more interesting formations in Age of Sigmar? Last 5 editions have enforced boring blocks and lines (except for the bretonnian I guess).

I'm stil not sure about the new trademark-friendly names...the undead ones are ridiculous!

Wait, GW has been catering to the competitive crowd? WHAT?!?!

Norsed wrote:
Speaking of third edition, anyone else looking forward to being able to use more interesting formations in Age of Sigmar? Last 5 editions have enforced boring blocks and lines (except for the bretonnian I guess).

If they're anything like the formations in 40K (and the recent leaks suggest they are), then noooooooooooooooope. Formations are one of the things that, imho, are currently breaking 40K as many are completely broken and are purely designed to sell gakloads of models to you (notice how most of the more powerful formations (such as the War Convocation) are linked to expensive web bundles.)

 heartserenade wrote:
Wait, GW has been catering to the competitive crowd? WHAT?!?!

Competitive doesn't necessarily mean tournament. You plonk two armies built to the same points down in front of each other and play a pitched battle with the aim of beating your opponent in a straight fight with no real scenario or reasoning - then great GWs been catering to you.

Norsed wrote:


Yeah, well GW has been catering to you and your playstyle for years now whilst myself and others like me have not been able to enter a store and play the way we want to play. It'd be nice if everyone could play the way they want to, but that hasn't been the case in a long time.

And it still won't be the case because this travesty will bomb harder than a Will E. Coyote plan!

nudibranch wrote:

Norsed wrote:
Speaking of third edition, anyone else looking forward to being able to use more interesting formations in Age of Sigmar? Last 5 editions have enforced boring blocks and lines (except for the bretonnian I guess).

If they're anything like the formations in 40K (and the recent leaks suggest they are), then noooooooooooooooope. Formations are one of the things that, imho, are currently breaking 40K as many are completely broken and are purely designed to sell gakloads of models to you (notice how most of the more powerful formations (such as the War Convocation) are linked to expensive web bundles.)

By formation I'm talking about the placement of your troops. Hence the blocks and line stuff and third edition being mentioned. With free placement of troops suddenly we can do Tercio, Hedgehog, Boars Tooth and a whole lot of other things, and with the new melee weapon ranges thing it'll even make a difference.

Norsed wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
Wait, GW has been catering to the competitive crowd? WHAT?!?!

Competitive doesn't necessarily mean tournament. You plonk two armies built to the same points down in front of each other and play a pitched battle with the aim of beating your opponent in a straight fight with no real scenario or reasoning - then great GWs been catering to you.

Nothing was stopping you doing it your way though. It's easy to adapt a tight ruleset to narrative games, it's not so easy to do it the other way.

 insaniak wrote:
On reflection, the complaints about the Sigmarines seem a little odd... The connected-but-not-really-ness of WHFB and 40K has always been one of the fun things about GW's games. When the Hrud were first hinted at, everyone went 'Yay! Space Skaven!'. Nobody had an issue with Space Ogres, or Space Minotaurs, or Space Beastment, or Space Slann, or Space Elves... But the moment something goes in the other direction we're all (and yes, I included myself there) losing our minds over it.

I have an issue with most of those. Not the Space Elves and not as much the Space Ogres, but I dislike most animalman races even when they stick to fantasy. And I really do hate what they did with the Tomb Kings and the Necrons, ruining the former by making them more like the latter and ruining the latter by making them more like the former.

And that's the problem, I think. The Grey Knights were most interesting for me when sacrifice wasn't just something that the Grey Knights did to other people. I really like the idea of chapter of Space Marines who take the usual psycho-surgery to extremes, making themselves immune to the temptation of Chaos by cutting out everything that makes a human a person, but since 5th they've just been idiot fratboys. The Stormcast Eternals play with the same idea that was removed from the Grey Knights, but it's nowhere near as interesting.

PhantomViper wrote:

Norsed wrote:


Yeah, well GW has been catering to you and your playstyle for years now whilst myself and others like me have not been able to enter a store and play the way we want to play. It'd be nice if everyone could play the way they want to, but that hasn't been the case in a long time.

And it still won't be the case because this travesty will bomb harder than a Will E. Coyote plan!

Of course I still won't be able to go into a store and play a refereed scenario. I'm not sure it'll bomb as much as you say though. Vets clearly aren't the target audience. Time will tell.


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 ImAGeek wrote:

Norsed wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
Wait, GW has been catering to the competitive crowd? WHAT?!?!

Competitive doesn't necessarily mean tournament. You plonk two armies built to the same points down in front of each other and play a pitched battle with the aim of beating your opponent in a straight fight with no real scenario or reasoning - then great GWs been catering to you.

Nothing was stopping you doing it your way though. It's easy to adapt a tight ruleset to narrative games, it's not so easy to do it the other way.

For crying out loud - please read the context.

We could not do that in stores. Some guy was complaining about not being able to play the way he wanted to in stores any more. I was just saying welcome to the fething club.

Hurd have a few similarities with skaven but not so much now.

And don't forget fantasy was first RT or 40k was billed as fantasy in space.

Maybe fantasy wasn't selling as much but to do this? Couldn't you have done something else anything else than this abomination.

It's far worse than white wolf and Requiem.

Seeing the khorne Lord and monster thing nope I don't want them.

I might get the winged guys of ebay or something as well as the relic guy.

But I'm really hesitant to give any money even by proxy to this thing.

Norsed wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

Norsed wrote:
Speaking of third edition, anyone else looking forward to being able to use more interesting formations in Age of Sigmar? Last 5 editions have enforced boring blocks and lines (except for the bretonnian I guess).

If they're anything like the formations in 40K (and the recent leaks suggest they are), then noooooooooooooooope. Formations are one of the things that, imho, are currently breaking 40K as many are completely broken and are purely designed to sell gakloads of models to you (notice how most of the more powerful formations (such as the War Convocation) are linked to expensive web bundles.)

By formation I'm talking about the placement of your troops. Hence the blocks and line stuff and third edition being mentioned. With free placement of troops suddenly we can do Tercio, Hedgehog, Boars Tooth and a whole lot of other things, and with the new melee weapon ranges thing it'll even make a difference.

There's nothing to suggest you can do any of that in AoS. The core of the game looks to be nothing more than move/shoot/melee. Personally, I'd of thought that, as a narrative gamer, you'd be sad over the removal of the majority of thematic tactical depth. If anything, the game looks to be even more suited to hyper-competitive play now...

nudibranch wrote:

Norsed wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

Norsed wrote:
Speaking of third edition, anyone else looking forward to being able to use more interesting formations in Age of Sigmar? Last 5 editions have enforced boring blocks and lines (except for the bretonnian I guess).

If they're anything like the formations in 40K (and the recent leaks suggest they are), then noooooooooooooooope. Formations are one of the things that, imho, are currently breaking 40K as many are completely broken and are purely designed to sell gakloads of models to you (notice how most of the more powerful formations (such as the War Convocation) are linked to expensive web bundles.)

By formation I'm talking about the placement of your troops. Hence the blocks and line stuff and third edition being mentioned. With free placement of troops suddenly we can do Tercio, Hedgehog, Boars Tooth and a whole lot of other things, and with the new melee weapon ranges thing it'll even make a difference.

There's nothing to suggest you can do any of that in AoS. The core of the game looks to be nothing more than move/shoot/melee. Personally, I'd of thought that, as a narrative gamer, you'd be sad over the removal of the majority of thematic tactical depth. If anything, the game looks to be even more suited to hyper-competitive play now...

What thematic tactical depth? Hasn't been much of that in warhammer for a long time. And I don't really see how it can be suited to hyper-competitive play with no points values, but we'll see I guess. I'm going to give it a try with my existing models and judge once I've played.

Of course you can do any of that. You can put your figures anywhere you like as long as they're within an inch. And melee weapons now have a range and you can shoot through your mates. So:

Big block of pikes in the middle to provide a solid melee core with a handful of missile troops within protection of the pikes at the corners - Tercio.

Missiles in the middle surrounded by a fortress of spears - Hedgehog.

And so on and so forth. I'm looking forward to making up some interesting movement trays for this.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As others have said, no-one's forcing anyone to play Age of Sigmar, if you're happy playing previous editions, then fine. Keep playing what you know and love.

And as others have said, that doesn't generally work for pickup games, in the same way that I can't wander into my local FLGS and easily find a game of WH40k 2nd or BFG.

This.

Also, good luck going to officially supported tournaments or even unofficially supported ones. AoS is going to bleed over and replace because the latest edition of the rules is what most major tournaments run on. I don't see 2nd ed. Adepticon 40k events, do you?

Surely no one is even going to attempt to run AoS tournaments with the rules in their current state ?

I wish GW would stop trying to make narrative games and bottling it at the last second by bolting on w/l conditions.
It's obvious narrative is what the design team favours, just do it properly if you're going to do it. Stop with the horrible competitive/narrative mash ups.

migooo wrote:
Hurd have a few similarities with skaven but not so much now.

And don't forget fantasy was first RT or 40k was billed as fantasy in space.

Maybe fantasy wasn't selling as much but to do this? Couldn't you have done something else anything else than this abomination.

It's far worse than white wolf and Requiem.

Seeing the khorne Lord and monster thing nope I don't want them.

I might get the winged guys of ebay or something as well as the relic guy.

But I'm really hesitant to give any money even by proxy to this thing.

It wasn't selling "not as much", from what we've heard, it basically wasn't selling at all compared to 40k. It was radical reboot or nothing.

Norsed wrote:

What thematic tactical depth? Hasn't been much of that in warhammer for a long time.

Never said there was much. Just said there's even less now.

And I don't really see how it can be suited to hyper-competitive play with no points values, but we'll see I guess. I'm going to give it a try with my existing models and judge once I've played.

So, I come into the store with my hypothetical Empire army. I've painted every single last one of them with pain-staking detail. I've created my own Imperial province, named my Elector Count and wrote a long document describing the history and culture of their region. Then I end up facing off against 60 unpainted Bloodthirsters backed up by Telion for some reason and get wiped off the board on turn one.

NARRATIVE FORGED *Tom Kirby playing a guitar solo in the distance*

nudibranch wrote:

Norsed wrote:

What thematic tactical depth? Hasn't been much of that in warhammer for a long time.

Never said there was much. Just said there's even less now.

Fair enough. I'm reserving judgment on that one until I actually play. As I said above, the free form nature of figure placement in units and the attack ranges for melee weapons sounds like it could have some serious promise in the formations department.

And I don't really see how it can be suited to hyper-competitive play with no points values, but we'll see I guess. I'm going to give it a try with my existing models and judge once I've played.

So, I come into the store with my hypothetical Empire army. I've painted every single last one of them with pain-staking detail. I've created my own Imperial province, named my Elector Count and wrote a long document describing the history and culture of their region. Then I end up facing off against 60 unpainted Bloodthirsters backed up by Telion for some reason and get wiped off the board on turn one.

NARRATIVE FORGED *Jack Kirby playing a guitar solo in the distance*

I don't know what that last bit has to do with what I said...

Could some1 clarify: since there's no point cost, are there any brackets for small, medium, large sized games?
Also, it's stated, that a unit can have unlimited model count. So, it literally goes down to: player 1 takes Bloodthirster for 1 warscroll. Player 2 takes 100 (providing, he has enough cash to buy that many) of these Celestials and fits them all into once scroll (since a 'squad' can have unlimited numbers') and just goes "whatcha gonna do with that Thirster, bro?".

Apart from these unkwon things, I'm pretty excited about this new release. If I ain't grabbing the boxed set at first, I'm at least getting the BL book

Mymearan wrote:

migooo wrote:
Hurd have a few similarities with skaven but not so much now.

And don't forget fantasy was first RT or 40k was billed as fantasy in space.

Maybe fantasy wasn't selling as much but to do this? Couldn't you have done something else anything else than this abomination.

It's far worse than white wolf and Requiem.

Seeing the khorne Lord and monster thing nope I don't want them.

I might get the winged guys of ebay or something as well as the relic guy.

But I'm really hesitant to give any money even by proxy to this thing.

It wasn't selling "not as much", from what we've heard, it basically wasn't selling at all compared to 40k. It was radical reboot or nothing.

Then nothing would be preferable to this and if you can't see that I'm sorry.

Look you want to know what really messed gw up ? Blisters the removal of 5 pounds metal blisters for all plastic .

Yes have your box sets of plastic but make 3 troop or command blisters too. I can't tell you how many units I built up that way that's what killed fantasy. Stopping the " pocket money" blister packs.