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 Pacific wrote:
What are all these references to Egypt and the Nile?

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow, I don't get it!

"Denial ain't only a river in Egypt."

 Desubot wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:

Spoiler:

Not gona lie

That looks pretty fantastic.

Indeed it looks pretty awesome

I still think, even with balanced armies, the rules don't sound fun. There are already several things that can stack on top of each other to affect your damage output (formation/battalion bonus, leader ability bonus, terrain bonus, winning previous game bonus?). It sounds rather annoying to keep track of all that, and for outcomes to be more about those things than about the actual strengths/weaknesses of the units engaged.

But maybe other warscrolls will add more interesting elements. Or just make way more stuff to keep track of.

I'm so torn with this... I love the models, the art looks incredible so far, I don't mind the fluff, but the rules are so damn weird.

 Pacific wrote:
What are all these references to Egypt and the Nile?

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow, I don't get it!

The River Nile, in denial.

A term used by people who have no argument so just attempt to belittle people with opposing opinions to their own.

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
What are all these references to Egypt and the Nile?

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow, I don't get it!

The River Nile, in denial.

A term used by people who have no argument so just attempt to belittle people with opposing opinions to their own.

If you say so.

Just remember to keep your words short and sweet, as you may just have to eat them.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I still think, even with balanced armies, the rules don't sound fun. There are already several things that can stack on top of each other to affect your damage output (formation/battalion bonus, leader ability bonus, terrain bonus, winning previous game bonus?). It sounds rather annoying to keep track of all that, and for outcomes to be more about those things than about the actual strengths/weaknesses of the units engaged.

But maybe other warscrolls will add more interesting elements. Or just make way more stuff to keep track of.

Theres probaby a good third party opportunity for some counters/markers for all these abilities. Maybe even a transparent 3" template for combat reach.

I actually hope the warscrolls add more depth to the game in the way you describe, otherwise it will get very boring.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And more art:

Spoiler:

That Eternal is really ugly.

Is his whole head a tiny skull?

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
What are all these references to Egypt and the Nile?

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow, I don't get it!

The River Nile, in denial.

A term used by people who have no argument so just attempt to belittle people with opposing opinions to their own.

A term also used to describe people who are still in denial I mean there's not really an argument is there, retailers have been told this is it and it was designed this way, if you wanna disbelieve that that's fine but that's pretty much confirmation for now.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
What are all these references to Egypt and the Nile?

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow, I don't get it!

They're in De Nile.

#Dead #Smote #RisenAgainAsAWight

 ImAGeek wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
What are all these references to Egypt and the Nile?

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow, I don't get it!

The River Nile, in denial.

A term used by people who have no argument so just attempt to belittle people with opposing opinions to their own.

A term also used to describe people who are still in denial I mean there's not really an argument is there, retailers have been told this is it and it was designed this way, if you wanna disbelieve that that's fine but that's pretty much confirmation for now.

Not to mention the actual content of the 96 page book and the WD saying there are no additional rules, just scenarios, fluff and painting tutorials.

Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

"But, but, what about us?"

 edlowe wrote:
Is it wrong to think the faq for this game will be longer that 4 pages?

Reading the rules am I mistaken that as they currently stand your models cant move their full distance and remain the same facing?

For example moving a chariot base and rotating it sideways at the end of its move makes the rear of the model move more than its move distance, which is against the rules. To move your full allowance in one direction and not break the rules a figure cannot be rotated.

am I reading this wrong?

Will need to go through the motions IRL to confirm but,

Hold your tape measure from any point above the model. Extend the tape measure to see how far it can move. Pick up the model (and rotate it as much as you want) as long as no point goes beyond the maximum movement from where you first measured when placed.

As an aside, do you reckon this fellow made it through the end of times?





He seemed to have a survivors instinct...

 Bottle wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Is it wrong to think the faq for this game will be longer that 4 pages?

Reading the rules am I mistaken that as they currently stand your models cant move their full distance and remain the same facing?

For example moving a chariot base and rotating it sideways at the end of its move makes the rear of the model move more than its move distance, which is against the rules. To move your full allowance in one direction and not break the rules a figure cannot be rotated.

am I reading this wrong?

Will need to go through the motions IRL to confirm but,

Hold your tape measure from any point above the model. Extend the tape measure to see how far it can move. Pick up the model (and rotate it as much as you want) as long as no point goes beyond the maximum movement from where you first measured when placed.

We'll all know soon enough I suppose.

I am personally excited.

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

You can hold out but you'll eventually be in a minority. I still call my cadians Imperial Guard but newer players call them Astra Militarum and so do most of the battle reports (who, if ever, only mention IG name as a side note during the army showcase)

Someone needs to put the villager running away from the no points rule.

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

You can hold out but you'll eventually be in a minority. I still call my cadians Imperial Guard but newer players call them Astra Militarum and so do most of the battle reports (who, if ever, only mention IG name as a side note during the army showcase)

Just GW covering their bases. I've never had an issue with them changing the names of stuff so other companies can't capitalize on GW's success.

As I've said before, I think the business model here will be the scenarios. Creating a story (or several parallell stories) that moves forward, encouraging you to buy new models in order to play it out. Each scenario contains the info you need for a "balanced" game – or play it with your own models, match up as good as you can.

If you want to go competitive – well, just play a scenario! Tactics on the field – rather than list building – will be more important.

Again, a game aimed at the less committed casual player.

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

Thats a given here also.. never called the Astra Miliwhatson by that name around my gaming table either.

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

I went into a GW store a couple of months back while on a trip and referred to the Imperial Guard during a conversation, and the staffer interjected(in a serious way, like he was correcting a mistake, not as a joke) with "You mean Astra Militarum" - I swear he visibly wilted under the look of utter disdain that came over my face

They can call things Deathrattlers and Orruks and Departmento Awfulpseudolatinicus all they like, I will not indulge them.

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

You can hold out but you'll eventually be in a minority. I still call my cadians Imperial Guard but newer players call them Astra Militarum and so do most of the battle reports (who, if ever, only mention IG name as a side note during the army showcase)

Just GW covering their bases. I've never had an issue with them changing the names of stuff so other companies can't capitalize on GW's success.

Except that A; in most cases those companies are not capitalising on GW's success so much as existing in a symbiotic relationship with GW's products in a way that both companies benefit and so do their consumers, meaning trying to shut that down is an act of self-vandalising spite, and B; it's totally, utterly ineffective as a tactic since it's been established in a court of law that other companies can use GW's trademarks all they want as long as they don't do so to imply their third-party products are officially sanctioned/made by GW.

 zedmeister wrote:
As an aside, do you reckon this fellow made it through the end of times?

He seemed to have a survivors instinct...

Doubt it to begin with. Although I am looking forward to seeing the Forgeworld Greater Daemons rules in AoS.

I think Deathrattlers sounds quite cool, evokes quite a creepy image in my mind, but it might just be compared to the rest of the new names it doesn't sound bad...

 Yodhrin wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

I went into a GW store a couple of months back while on a trip and referred to the Imperial Guard during a conversation, and the staffer interjected(in a serious way, like he was correcting a mistake, not as a joke) with "You mean Astra Militarum" - I swear he visibly wilted under the look of utter disdain that came over my face

They can call things Deathrattlers and Orruks and Departmento Awfulpseudolatinicus all they like, I will not indulge them.

Do you still call grots, gretchin? And wraithlords "Eldar Dreadnoughts"? Or should that be Space Elves Dreadnoughts?!

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
Well at least the Lizardmen weren't squatted like everyone knew they would be.

Thank goodness.

I'm still gonna call my Ogres, Ogres....forget this Ogor nonsense.

You can hold out but you'll eventually be in a minority. I still call my cadians Imperial Guard but newer players call them Astra Militarum and so do most of the battle reports (who, if ever, only mention IG name as a side note during the army showcase)

Thing is what was the name for the orcs again? orkgoorh orcogh whatever! I forgot already... thats how catchy all this BS is.

 Bottle wrote:

Do you still call grots, gretchin? And wraithlords "Eldar Dreadnoughts"? Or should that be Space Elves Dreadnoughts?!

Err, yes and yes. Not Space Elves though

Bottle wrote:+ there is the ambiguous line in the Deployment section about having reserves and "fate" playing a hand that isn't explained.

No, but we have seen a formation page that allows you to set models aside and bring them in as reserves.

We've seen the 4 pages of hard rules. That's pretty much all we're getting for universal rules. Anything else will almost certainly be on the Warscrolls.

pinkmarine wrote:
If you want to go competitive – well, just play a scenario! Tactics on the field – rather than list building – will be more important.

WaitYoureSerious-LetMeLaughHarder.gif

If anything, one model = one model means that list building is more important than ever. Especially because list building is done on the fly during deployment. Horde armies are basically dead in that a "horde army" used to be lots of little dudes. Whether you go by Models or Warscrolls or anything, as long as one model is considered equal to any other one model, only the strongest models will see the table. Because there is literally no reason other than "I want to handicap myself" to do so.

seriously you guys...
seriously.
just wait.
its very hard for me to understand why everyone is running around losing their minds right now. you dont even know what games workshop is doing. alot of the rumours have been really quite wrong up to this point. what makes all of your assumptions so ironclad and impenetrable? you just know youre right cause they ruined warhammer and theyre a terrible company and blah blah blah.

quite frankly, this thread is absolutely the worst case of impatient anxiety ive ever seen in my life. you guys will actually know something soon. know. knowledge. quite a different beast than assumptions are. so whats the point in chopping your own john thomas' off about warhammer being turned into the worst thing ever when you have no verified idea.

this all seems like unwarranted whining. its like you all hate games workshop so much that you wanted to create a multi hundred page thread of why people should never give gw a cent. and if thats your prerogative, dont give them a cent. but i feel youre all damaging the experiences others could have, and contributing to a society of endless negativity that is constantly displayed here on dakka.

the strangest thing for me is that nothing has actually changed. dont like age of sigmar?okay. youre in the same place you were before it existed. so... lets spread metric gaktons of hate on an internet forum about it so it can get lost in the sea of millions of peoples opinions that nobody cares about weeks after theyre posted. furthermore, in a few weeks, if a mass battle, balanced system is actually coming out, what will you all do? stick to your guns and find a new reason to hate everything? or change your tune and sing the praise of gw all of a sudden, going back on all of the extreme comments that youve made. because if the latter is the case... why not just wait and see this whole time instead of possibly pushing new gamers away when they see all the community has for this game is hatred before its even born? if its the former, who cares that you hate it so much no matter what it is? why would any of your opinions have any weight? it would just be hatred for hates sake. pretty soon this thread will create a new chaos god all about impatience, anxiety, and hate.

who knows, maybe its gonna suck real bad. but seriously, cant we all just WAIT? isnt 200 pages of "**** this is the worst thing ever im gpnna sell my miniatures and burn down gw and start a riot in my hometown and kick a dog and verbally maim anyone who thinks about getting into gw" enough? arent you all bored to death yet?

i dunno. i just like to see flames, feel the heat before i tell everyone my house is burning down and evacuate my family.