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The complete rules + all warscrolls (including for scenery):
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/age-of-sigmar-compendiums/

It is what it is. I think it's time for the people with sticks up their bums to bow out, it's not like your moaning is going to accomplish anything now, apart from getting you a buff to Longbeards.

So I've looked through several of the war scrolls and all I can say is...

RONNIE RENTON IS STILL THE HAPPIEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE PLANET!!!

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Wow. I'm actually a bit surprised so many people find the idea of a game system that requires you to behave like a five year old appealing.

This.

And people wonder why they have to do the spiel of "Oh wargaming is not just for kids!" when they tell people about their hobby. I'm gonna LOVE gak like this going on in the FLGS. People jumping around and shouting like morons as the rule of the game force them to do so...

People play the games in different ways and have fun in different ways - I am quite happy to make noises, talk to my figures and other stuff and thats without the rules to back it up - on the other hand I don't personally enjoy playing rules lawyers and similar............

Our club can get pretty loud anyway - especially when people are enjoying the games.

Oh and we are in our 30s and 40s for the msot part....................

Signpost to war: Units that start their movement phase within 6" of a signpost can move an extra inch in that phase

Its very similiar to rules I made up when I was 10, and had some models, an never read the rule book......

There's is literally no point in taking some units now. taking Men at Arms is just asking to Auto lose.

Its like a chess game, where an opponent brings 6 queens and you get 10 Pawns and your opponent has the balls to say you have an advantage because you outnumber him.....

 GoonBandito wrote:
have the core rules themselves been made available yet?

They're in WD75, with scans everywhere.

So what are the maximum units sizes? I think im missing some important rules lol.

Rule 1 folks, lets try not to target one another in all of this.

Do Nurgle players get buffs to their models if they're diseased?

Does a Slaanesh player have to strip off?

This system is terrible, and it would be a really bad idea for GW to adapt it for 40k which I why I am positive they are working on it :/

 Comrade wrote:
Its very similiar to rules I made up when I was 10, and had some models, an never read the rule book......

There's is literally no point in taking some units now. taking Men at Arms is just asking to Auto lose.

Its like a chess game, where an opponent brings 6 queens and you get 10 Pawns and your opponent has the balls to say you have an advantage because you outnumber him.....

Right. So from what I'm seeing so far, your two options are:

1. Play the scenario that tells you how many queens and pawns to take
2. Pick models and agree on a battle that feels right to both players

I mean, I get it -- Neither will make for great tournaments. I'm not entirely convinced that they can't make for good pick-up games, because MOST people I meet randomly are actually pretty cool people, and I think I could trust myself and them to choose out a couple of reasonably equal-ish armies, or at least pick out the obvious problems. But of course, that's not everyone's experience, and it takes away a lot from (virtually eliminates) the competitive listbuilding angle.

 kendoka wrote:
The complete rules + all warscrolls (including for scenery):
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/age-of-sigmar-compendiums/

Thanks. That has a link to the Core Rules as well as the Scenery War Scroll (which many ignored).

haroon wrote:
This system is terrible, and it would be a really bad idea for GW to adapt it for 40k which I why I am positive they are working on it :/

40K players must see the doom writing on the wall. They will evolve to this. they will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

 Talys wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:
have the core rules themselves been made available yet?

They're in WD75, with scans everywhere.

And here - http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/age-of-sigmar-compendiums/

haroon wrote:
This system is terrible, and it would be a really bad idea for GW to adapt it for 40k which I why I am positive they are working on it :/

I doubt that very much. GW makes WAY too much money selling codex and campaign books to the 40k crowd to cannibalize those sales.

The only reason they did this was because "nobody" was buying Fantasy (or at least, a greatly reduced population).


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 Dullspork wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:
have the core rules themselves been made available yet?

They're in WD75, with scans everywhere.

And here - http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/age-of-sigmar-compendiums/

Nice, Thanks!

I suppose the bright side is, those crazy rules that I've seen so far seem to be for special characters only. - Right?

So... what do the stars in profiles mean? I don't think they're explained anywhere.

 RatBot wrote:
"Braying Warcry: Red-hot rage festers in
the savage minds of Wargors, their only
desire to rend and destroy. You can add 1
to all hit rolls made for a Wargor if, before
rolling the dice, you let loose a primal
warcry. Your warcry must use no actual
words, but angry grunts and raging snorts
are encouraged."

"Pride of the Reiksguard: Helborg’s
skill is as legendary as his moustache is
magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit
rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more
impressive moustache than your opponent."


The Mad Count: Marius Leitdorf is an
exceptional swordsman, even if he is totally
insane. If, during your hero phase, you
pretend to ride an imaginary horse, you
can re-roll failed hit rolls for the Averland
Runefang until your next hero phase. If
you actually talk to your imaginary horse
you can re-roll failed wound rolls as well.

Imagine, just for a moment, that someone had posted those rules three months ago as rumours. What sort of reception do you think they'd have got?

 Xyxox wrote:

 kendoka wrote:
The complete rules + all warscrolls (including for scenery):
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/age-of-sigmar-compendiums/

Thanks. That has a link to the Core Rules as well as the Scenery War Scroll (which many ignored).

haroon wrote:
This system is terrible, and it would be a really bad idea for GW to adapt it for 40k which I why I am positive they are working on it :/

40K players must see the doom writing on the wall. They will evolve to this. they will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Hidden in the "Scenery Scrolls" is actually a very major rule about "walls and fences", in terms of cover. I'm surprised that one didn't make its way into the four-pager.

 Compel wrote:
I suppose the bright side is, those crazy rules that I've seen so far seem to be for special characters only. - Right?

Nope. Grail Knights are not special characters.

And that is one of the tamer ones...

 stahly wrote:

Still cannot say I like the sigmarites or whatever they are called at all, the helmets just look weird.

I reckon I might actually get some dwarves in and have a bash now I have seen some warscrolls, seems like it could actually be fun, even though im not really into shouting and stuff while I play but thats hardly a negative, its not like its a requirement.

I do feel for the chaps that were after balance though, shame not everyone is happy.

 Elemental wrote:

 RatBot wrote:
"Braying Warcry: Red-hot rage festers in
the savage minds of Wargors, their only
desire to rend and destroy. You can add 1
to all hit rolls made for a Wargor if, before
rolling the dice, you let loose a primal
warcry. Your warcry must use no actual
words, but angry grunts and raging snorts
are encouraged."

"Pride of the Reiksguard: Helborg’s
skill is as legendary as his moustache is
magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit
rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more
impressive moustache than your opponent."


The Mad Count: Marius Leitdorf is an
exceptional swordsman, even if he is totally
insane. If, during your hero phase, you
pretend to ride an imaginary horse, you
can re-roll failed hit rolls for the Averland
Runefang until your next hero phase. If
you actually talk to your imaginary horse
you can re-roll failed wound rolls as well.

Imagine, just for a moment, that someone had posted those rules three months ago as rumours. What sort of reception do you think they'd have got?

People would be wondering if they were in one of Kid_Kyoto's threads.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:
So... what do the stars in profiles mean? I don't think they're explained anywhere.

That they are variable - usually dependant on how many wounds a model has taken - quite a nice mechanic actually

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Wow. I'm actually a bit surprised so many people find the idea of a game system that requires you to behave like a five year old appealing.

Yeah we all play with toy soldiers cos we are that mature !

I recall Miss Demeanor from Magic

If you look up I explain my feelings on the matter, but on you go, much easier to believe that anyone who's troubled by this rubbish is a joyless monster than remember that not everyone in the world finds certain things as easy as you do.

Wow touchy much - kinda hard to disagree with your description of yourself after that post.............

Oooh goody, making fun of autism now. Do carry on, maybe you can get everyone guffawing with a routine about how funny it is watching wheelchair users try to negotiate stairs.

If you like - what exactly is your problem with people having fun or apparently having any kind of opinion other than what matches your own.

I typed out several snarky responses to this bait, but I've decided I'm going to actually try and make an effort to convey my view on this, even though I fully expect to be rewarded with a series of "get over it, lulz" and "lighten up broskie!" posts.

This kind of thing isn't just a bit of fun to someone like myself. It's taken twenty years for me to reach a point I can interact with people in public in a way that appears "normal" to them and to observers, and doing so requires constant effort on my part. I cannot tell when someone is annoyed, or offended, or bored by what I say or do, I have no access to the constant stream of subconscious information most people are processing during social interactions, and because of the often ridiculous social conventions people follow I have to -on top of trying to consciously analyse the other person's behaviour to try and glean their intent- carefully moderate my behaviour, as the other person will likely not actually tell me when I have annoyed, offended, or bored them, they will just assume that I know full-well what I've done and am continuing to do it because I dislike them, meaning they either leave the conversation and end up telling others that I'm an unpleasant person, or they will explode angrily, from my perspective out of nowhere, and I have no way to respond to that. I'm not fishing for sympathy here, I'm just trying to provide context so you can understand where I'm coming from.

This kind of OTT behaviour isn't something I can do in front of random strangers, or even just acquaintances, because I'm not getting any cues from them, no feedback. By requiring this kind of "acting up" in the actual rules for the game, rather than leaving humour up to spontaneity as it should be, I'm left with essentially two choices; don't play the game(since organised play with friends I know well enough to relax around is rare these days), or refuse to use that part of the rules and explain why(or else be branded a killjoy, see above replies to my initial distaste). Out of interest, have you ever seen how most people tend to react when they're told by the person they're talking to that person has some form of mental health issue or disorder? When the most common responses to the "explain why" option are going to be either mockery or profound awkwardness, you can perhaps grasp why that's an unappealing option.

For you this kind of "mandated fun" isn't a problem, because if you enjoyed that kind of humour as part of your gaming experience anyway nothing has really changed for you, or if it has changed it's not in a way that causes you any trouble. For folk like myself, or for just generally socially awkward or shy people(who, you might have noticed, are fairly prevalent in geekdom), it's a genuine impediment. Just as, for you, lack of a ramp into a building causes no problems, but is a fairly big deal for a wheelchair user.

Did Gamesworkshop just jump the shark?

 Talys wrote:

2. Pick models and agree on a battle that feels right to both players

I mean, I get it -- Neither will make for great tournaments. I'm not entirely convinced that they can't make for good pick-up games, because MOST people I meet randomly are actually pretty cool people, and I think I could trust myself and them to choose out a couple of reasonably equal-ish armies.

The problem with this is there is no base level for comparison. What do you say before the game? You cant say 2000 point game, how do you describe the size of battle you wish to play? Do you say 15 unit game? but do 2 dwarf hammer units = 3 units of zombies? = 1 unit of khorne cav???

One player is speaking in oranges the other in apples.

How do you compare armies? You cant

Its absolutely laughable

Catapulted it! Where's the meme image??

Munchkin did it better I think... at least I feel like a normal person playing munchkin anyway.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did Gamesworkshop just jump the shark?

They've nuked the fridge, they've jumped the shark.

I said this in another thread- I'd call GW a Mickey Mouse operation, but that would be an insult to cartoon mice everywhere.

I can confirm. Ronnie Renton is laughing his @$$ off.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Hidden in the "Scenery Scrolls" is actually a very major rule about "walls and fences", in terms of cover. I'm surprised that one didn't make its way into the four-pager.

It makes the guy who was ranting about how you had to "put models on top of fences in order for them to claim cover saves" look like a goon, in my opinion.