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Played a game with my Lizardmen a couple of hours ago. We attempted to balance it by adding wound limits.

Very interesting game. Lizardmen have changed quite a bit, but the PDF wide summoning seemed a bit nasty.

I sure kicked in my friend's beastmen though. Such low Bravery really hurts on the big multi wound models.

 insaniak wrote:

Tank_Dweller wrote:
Do we know how the chaos minis compare size wise to the existing range... i'm just wondering if new stuff for existing armies will blend or not.

This was posted earlier:



They're huge.

Is that chaos warrior from the boxset also?

 Red Viper wrote:
Anyone find chaos dwarfs? I thought they'd be in chaos warriors, but only saw the hellcannon.

Nope.

No pigmies, Dogs of War or Nippon either.

Lying bisterds.

Well, this can't be right. They almost look... *gasp* TRUE SCALE! What's next? Properly proportioned Space Marines?

 Red Viper wrote:
Anyone find chaos dwarfs?...

They're in their temples, giving thanks to their dark gods that they avoided being in this mess of a 'game'

 Red Viper wrote:
Anyone find chaos dwarfs? I thought they'd be in chaos warriors, but only saw the hellcannon.

The last I saw they had transported to Mantica and changed their name to "Abyssal Dwarfs".

 Barzam wrote:
Well, this can't be right. They almost look... *gasp* TRUE SCALE! What's next? Properly proportioned Space Marines?

TrueScale implies the models actually have decent proportions. This is just heroic scale kicked up a few millimeters.

pretre wrote:Considering it explicitly says you cheated to do it, you'd be hard pressed to pull this off in any competitive setting. Most events have rules against cheating.

RAW it doesn't say you cheated. It says you are "branded a cheat".

Which is funny, because using Fateweaver to change the result to a result of your choice is actually RAW legal and basically guarantees a win every time.

Fun times.

tjkopena wrote:
Then, offer your opponent a bribe (this can be anything you want to offer). If your opponent accepts your bribe, the chosen effect takes place – otherwise, nothing happens. Players are free to haggle over the offered bribe, or propose a counter-offer...

"I want that unit to flee from the table. Bribe? I will bribe you with your own teeth, in your mouth."

Delicate Swarm wrote:Do we know if GW is okay? Has someone checked on them?

The last couple of games were "Grandma calling you the wrong name." But its getting to be like when Grandma puts her cat in the freezer, and you need to decide if Grandma need help, or if that's just, like, her "cat freezer."

oh good god lol

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/age-of-sigmar-compendiums

They are up it seems.......

 warboss wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is this new "warhammer" literally just running and charging at the enemy with pretty much zero subtlety?

It's like 10-15% of last edition.

Warhammer: Lobotomy Edition

I know they continue to tell us that they're a model company first and a games company second, but this is ridiculous.

I've been playing just with the starter set and been pleasantly surprised by the subtlety, or strategy so far. Gets a lot better i think with more and different figures. Not a lot of magic and shooting in the starter set, but a lot of special abilities.

And of course, Khorne should be running screaming at the enemy

Mikhalia, can you take a peek at the fluff section and see if the eternal shoot bolts of lightning and are armored in sigmarite? See my above post for why.

Condensing much fluff: When the old world exploded all that was left was it's molten core, and Sigmar clinging to it as it hurtled through the heavens. Over thousands of years, it cools, It still floats near Sigmars land/plane that he rules. They refer to the metal from the last bit of the old world now as 'Sigmarite'. Grungi and Sigmar forge the armor from it. Mortals heroes are saved from death and their souls are reforged to become the Stormcast Elementals. Much reference to "lightning and magic" in their souls/veins. Descending via lightnight bolts, etc. These guys are basically the divine counterpoint to chaos. Their entire theme seems to be lightning.

but no reference to "bolters" or really shooting lightning. The winged guys have a ranged attack of throwing their magical lightning enfused hammers, the guys with double handed weapons hit really hard on a 6 to hit, doing two mortal wounds. Messed me up bad last game The fluff is they hit with a lightning/thunder effect.

They are really trying for the Stormcast Eternals to be the holy/mystical warriors of the worlds. Fluff is ok for me. Models are beautiful.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Well, this can't be right. They almost look... *gasp* TRUE SCALE! What's next? Properly proportioned Space Marines?

TrueScale implies the models actually have decent proportions. This is just heroic scale kicked up a few millimeters.

Beefy Heroic yea.

True Scale would be physically impossible for Marines/sigmites as far as I can tell.

 buddha wrote:
This isn't a game without points, formations, or some way to level opponents. That's like saying you can play monopoly but you can just take as many properties as you want. Also money. And pieces. So buy multiple monopoly boxes. o.0

A much better comparison is Chainmail by Garry Gygax, the predecessor to D&D, which used(and had rules for) miniatures.

The campaign nature of sigmar means GW wants its players to follow a story and pay for that content, OR to build their own stories to play.

 Onlinemph wrote:
Played a game with my Lizardmen a couple of hours ago. We attempted to balance it by adding wound limits.

Very interesting game. Lizardmen have changed quite a bit, but the PDF wide summoning seemed a bit nasty.

I sure kicked in my friend's beastmen though. Such low Bravery really hurts on the big multi wound models.

That's definitely interesting, can't wait to try it all out.

 Talys wrote:

 buddha wrote:
This isn't a game without points, formations, or some way to level opponents. That's like saying you can play monopoly but you can just take as many properties as you want. Also money. And pieces. So buy multiple monopoly boxes. o.0

A much better comparison is Chainmail by Garry Gygax, the predecessor to D&D, which used(and had rules for) miniatures.

The campaign nature of sigmar means GW wants its players to follow a story and pay for that content, OR to build their own stories to play.

So I can pay to buy the models AND then pay repeatedly to buy the rules to use those models each game.

-or-

Build my own stories with no basis or guidelines for a fair story.

Sounds awesome.


I maintain GW knew they couldn't sell these rules, that's why they're free. Just like they knew they could never get a clean rules for bases, hence why GW tries to ignore them in favor of the worst measuring rule in existence.

 streamdragon wrote:

pretre wrote:Considering it explicitly says you cheated to do it, you'd be hard pressed to pull this off in any competitive setting. Most events have rules against cheating.

RAW it doesn't say you cheated. It says you are "branded a cheat".

Which is funny, because using Fateweaver to change the result to a result of your choice is actually RAW legal and basically guarantees a win every time.

Fun times.

tjkopena wrote:
Then, offer your opponent a bribe (this can be anything you want to offer). If your opponent accepts your bribe, the chosen effect takes place – otherwise, nothing happens. Players are free to haggle over the offered bribe, or propose a counter-offer...

"I want that unit to flee from the table. Bribe? I will bribe you with your own teeth, in your mouth."

Delicate Swarm wrote:Do we know if GW is okay? Has someone checked on them?

The last couple of games were "Grandma calling you the wrong name." But its getting to be like when Grandma puts her cat in the freezer, and you need to decide if Grandma need help, or if that's just, like, her "cat freezer."

oh good god lol

Funny that people are even discussing the fateweaver/skaven combo allready. Unfortunately, if you try to roll 2d6, you can't get a 13. Changing the result of one of the dice won't do it either.

What I don't is how nowhere in the rules does it give any kind of limitations on heroes. I can legally field an army of 15 Grimgors . How on earth did GW overlook this? Like, not including points was bad enough, but simply stating that you can't have more than one named hero in an army surely isn't that hard?!

_Tim?

 mikhaila wrote:
but no reference to "bolters"

They gave the bolters to the skinks, they call em boltspitters now

 mikhaila wrote:

Funny that people are even discussing the fateweaver/skaven combo allready. Unfortunately, if you try to roll 2d6, you can't get a 13. Changing the result of one of the dice won't do it either.

Doesn't matter. The dice are immaterial. He can change the result of a roll to the result of his choice. "I rolled a 7, but the table has a 13. I choose that result instead. I win. GG"


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 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
What I don't is how nowhere in the rules does it give any kind of limitations on heroes. I can legally field an army of 15 Grimgors . How on earth did GW overlook this? Like, not including points was bad enough, but simply stating that you can't have more than one named hero in an army surely isn't that hard?!

_Tim?

The mistake here is thinking GW cared, at all, about the rules. They didn't.

What I want to know is how people are playtesting the Oldhammer Warscrolls, they don't seem to have the little "stat rose" thing that tells you how many wounds they have, what their armour is etc. Am I missing something?

 Yodhrin wrote:
What I want to know is how people are playtesting the Oldhammer Warscrolls, they don't seem to have the little "stat rose" thing that tells you how many wounds they have, what their armour is etc. Am I missing something?

Maybe update your adobe? They're showing up for me.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
What I don't is how nowhere in the rules does it give any kind of limitations on heroes. I can legally field an army of 15 Grimgors . How on earth did GW overlook this? Like, not including points was bad enough, but simply stating that you can't have more than one named hero in an army surely isn't that hard?!

_Tim?

They didn't overlook it. They want to sell you 15 Grimgors....

 Yodhrin wrote:

I typed out several snarky responses to this bait, but I've decided I'm going to actually try and make an effort to convey my view on this, even though I fully expect to be rewarded with a series of "get over it, lulz" and "lighten up broskie!" posts.

....

For you this kind of "mandated fun" isn't a problem, because if you enjoyed that kind of humour as part of your gaming experience anyway nothing has really changed for you, or if it has changed it's not in a way that causes you any trouble. For folk like myself, or for just generally socially awkward or shy people(who, you might have noticed, are fairly prevalent in geekdom), it's a genuine impediment. Just as, for you, lack of a ramp into a building causes no problems, but is a fairly big deal for a wheelchair user.

This is a serious reply, not snark. You're right. They don't care about you or people with ASD. But don't take it personally - they don't care about the tournament players either (more of them) or people who want a more "adult" pick up game (as in people who bring 1500-or-2k-point armies to the FLGS or Local GW or Club for a pick up game. They care about one thing - sales and dollars. This game is designed very much for the atmosphere of being sold in the (over-)excited atmosphere of a GW store, with "Unbound Everywhere, all the time" for the rules and ease of pick up and play with whichever models you like, etc.

Ultimately though, you, ASD, Tournament Players, people like me - we're not important. It's designed to sell Sigmarines and starter sets and the odd box off the shelf to the new players who walk in.

It's not the end, though - or it doesn't have to be. You can still play 3rd-8th edition, or KoW, or the ShieldWolf game. You'll just have to deal with the fact that you're welcome to play this new game, but they don't care about your individual foibles. Like being a leftie in a right-handed world.

Me? I'm planning to buy two sets because I like the look of the models, and will use them in KoW - and might occasionally play Age of Silliness with close friends in my own home. Other than that, my main concern is that they don't discontinue too much of the WHFB range before I can get hold of the last models I want to buy. Now I'm off to a local gaming forum to see if people are flogging off thir WHFB armies in despair.

 streamdragon wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Funny that people are even discussing the fateweaver/skaven combo allready. Unfortunately, if you try to roll 2d6, you can't get a 13. Changing the result of one of the dice won't do it either.

Doesn't matter. The dice are immaterial. He can change the result of a roll to the result of his choice. "I rolled a 7, but the table has a 13. I choose that result instead. I win. GG"


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 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
What I don't is how nowhere in the rules does it give any kind of limitations on heroes. I can legally field an army of 15 Grimgors . How on earth did GW overlook this? Like, not including points was bad enough, but simply stating that you can't have more than one named hero in an army surely isn't that hard?!

_Tim?

The mistake here is thinking GW cared, at all, about the rules. They didn't.

That 's how you see the rules. It's obvious to me that you choose from the possible result of d6 dice and some would argue that changing the dice would count as applying modifier to the roll, which you can't do with screaming bell.

So help me wrap my head around this...

No point cost... like inquisitor years ago... just do a thumb waggle and call it good...

Number crunching is part of the fun trying to make the perfect army to play.. and having to cut a unit because you ran out of points..

Also.. no wound chart.. so if I wound on a 2+ don't matter if its a goblin or a blood thirster.. I roll a wound I am good.

So the next battle it is 8 goblins vs a Blood Thirster ...guess who will win??

 streamdragon wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
What I want to know is how people are playtesting the Oldhammer Warscrolls, they don't seem to have the little "stat rose" thing that tells you how many wounds they have, what their armour is etc. Am I missing something?

Maybe update your adobe? They're showing up for me.

Don't use adobe, seems it was some weird interaction between Firefox and Sumatra Reader, they work fine if I download them.

So I wonder....if GW can release all the factions/Races new rules for AoS, why couldn't they do that with earlier editions?

 cptjoeyg wrote:
So I wonder....if GW can release all the factions/Races new rules for AoS, why couldn't they do that with earlier editions?

Because they've finally reached a point where even the bean counters are saying, "We can't actually try and charge money for this."?

 Talys wrote:

 buddha wrote:
This isn't a game without points, formations, or some way to level opponents. That's like saying you can play monopoly but you can just take as many properties as you want. Also money. And pieces. So buy multiple monopoly boxes. o.0

A much better comparison is Chainmail by Garry Gygax, the predecessor to D&D, which used(and had rules for) miniatures.

The campaign nature of sigmar means GW wants its players to follow a story and pay for that content, OR to build their own stories to play.

As somebody who payed both Chainmail and its successor, Swords and Spells (a D&D supplement) I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about. Chainmail included a very complex points based system and was incredibly balanced.

To compare AoS to Chainmail is to mock a highly advanced and well developed war game system. Chainmail would run circles around AoS. I'm disgusted that the two would be uttered in the same breath.

 cptjoeyg wrote:
So I wonder....if GW can release all the factions/Races new rules for AoS, why couldn't they do that with earlier editions?

Because that would have meant actual rules, with point costs and everything.

This was basically bang away on the keyboard while completely drunk and who gives a frell if the players don't like it.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Wow. I'm actually a bit surprised so many people find the idea of a game system that requires you to behave like a five year old appealing.

Yeah... makes me wonder what their actual target demographic is. At 14, i would have hated this stuff even more than i do now, simply because of being more concerned with not being embarrassingly immature etc.