Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**kendoka**

Todosi wrote:
Come on! First you kill 30 years of background, then you release Space...i mean Sigmarines with bows and the arrows are on the wrong side of the riser? Really?

Although the arrows are *not* on the wrong side of the riser.
The Sigmarines are obviously using the superior thumb draw (as with all asian archery, such as kyudo).
Perhaps the only redeeming feature of that awful miniature range*

*Not even having nipples on their armour in fear of overzealous american religious hypocrites...

**Grimtuff**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Is there an intelligent person left in nottingham ?

Yes. He owns Mantic games and he can't believe his good fortune.

Ronnie Renton right now

**Formosa**

Ok, so warhammer is dead, buried and gone. This new crap isn't warhammer, and to answer the above question, if these rules were not free, no way in hell would I pay for this utter turd, it feels like no effort was made and I'm getting a giant middle finger from gw for my 25 years of loyalty.

I will carry on with 8th and try kow, I will also not spend another penny on gw "fantasy" and I am urging others to do the same in my local area.

**OgreChubbs**

Well I bought 5 starters a the other one with the lore book so 6 total

.

The guy with the dog on a leech was the litch pin for me.... now to get rid of the good guys -_-

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

What's that famous quote? I don't mind the despair, it's the hope I can't stand.

People have been sailing on the warhammer ship, that ship hit an iceberg and sunk, the survivors are clinging on to driftwood for dear life, hoping to be rescued.

The GW rescue ship sails on past, but people still cling on to hope. (th edition is the illusion, a dying man's dream.

There is nothing from GW's behaviour these past years to suggest they'll ever change. Kirby's sitting in his bunker, waiting for that Tiger battalion to save the day and drive away the rival companies.

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Formosa wrote:
Ok, so warhammer is dead, buried and gone. This new crap isn't warhammer, and to answer the above question, if these rules were not free, no way in hell would I pay for this utter turd, it feels like no effort was made and I'm getting a giant middle finger from gw for my 25 years of loyalty.

I will carry on with 8th and try kow, I will also not spend another penny on gw "fantasy" and I am urging others to do the same in my local area.

Welcome aboard the good ship KOW.

Right now, I'd quite happily pay Mantic double the price for their stuff.

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Grimtuff wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Is there an intelligent person left in nottingham ?

Yes. He owns Mantic games and he can't believe his good fortune.

Ronnie Renton right now

Love it. Even if Mantic games and other rival companies got together for a year, and plotted and schemed a plan to take down GW, no way could they better AOS

**OgreChubbs**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What's that famous quote? I don't mind the despair, it's the hope I can't stand.

People have been sailing on the warhammer ship, that ship hit an iceberg and sunk, the survivors are clinging on to driftwood for dear life, hoping to be rescued.

The GW rescue ship sails on past, but people still cling on to hope. (th edition is the illusion, a dying man's dream.

There is nothing from GW's behaviour these past years to suggest they'll ever change. Kirby's sitting in his bunker, waiting for that Tiger battalion to save the day and drive away the rival companies.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Formosa wrote:
Ok, so warhammer is dead, buried and gone. This new crap isn't warhammer, and to answer the above question, if these rules were not free, no way in hell would I pay for this utter turd, it feels like no effort was made and I'm getting a giant middle finger from gw for my 25 years of loyalty.

I will carry on with 8th and try kow, I will also not spend another penny on gw "fantasy" and I am urging others to do the same in my local area.

Welcome aboard the good ship KOW. Right now, I'd quite happily pay Mantic double the price for their stuff.

I think your just being a little childish you don't like it move on. I could care less from once the models play so long as they play. My ogres are still in it so, so am I plus I love nurgle/khorne so I am good.
And like I said you hate it move on to post in a topic every what....5th post for the last 7 hours saying you hate it gets a bit old.

**Mr Morden**

I might well buy it - the models I need to see if I like enough for yet another starter set

I really like the rules and hearing good things about tester games / battle reports so yeah maybe - I hope they make some nice card sets of the battlescrolls for the old armies.

Also should be really easy to make new units up

**TwilightSparkles**

The good ship KOW ? Is that sailing from Liverpool ?

Personally I do not like the KOW ruleset and find it is basically old fantasy lite edition, to the point where you may as well move rectangles of cardboard around , it has the most droll background for some time and is made by a company whose sole business plan seems to consist of trolling the competition and running endless Kickstarters to a diminishing amount of backers.

However if people like it, that's great, just kindly stop telling those of us who like the look of this how crap it is and go enjoy the game you profess to love.

**Shadowclaimer**

Anyone have their hands on the new models and have any advice about assembling or painting them? I want to make sure I don't screw something up in the process (typically there's little things you can do to make things easier, sub-assemblies, etc.)

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What's that famous quote? I don't mind the despair, it's the hope I can't stand.

People have been sailing on the warhammer ship, that ship hit an iceberg and sunk, the survivors are clinging on to driftwood for dear life, hoping to be rescued.

The GW rescue ship sails on past, but people still cling on to hope. (th edition is the illusion, a dying man's dream.

There is nothing from GW's behaviour these past years to suggest they'll ever change. Kirby's sitting in his bunker, waiting for that Tiger battalion to save the day and drive away the rival companies.

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Formosa wrote:
Ok, so warhammer is dead, buried and gone. This new crap isn't warhammer, and to answer the above question, if these rules were not free, no way in hell would I pay for this utter turd, it feels like no effort was made and I'm getting a giant middle finger from gw for my 25 years of loyalty.

I will carry on with 8th and try kow, I will also not spend another penny on gw "fantasy" and I am urging others to do the same in my local area.

Welcome aboard the good ship KOW. Right now, I'd quite happily pay Mantic double the price for their stuff.

I think your just being a little childish you don't like it move on. I could care less from once the models play so long as they play. My ogres are still in it so, so am I plus I love nurgle/khorne so I am good.
And like I said you hate it move on to post in a topic every what....5th post for the last 7 hours saying you hate it gets a bit old.

I agree, I said this earlier, but in my defence, I've had 20 + years of good memories. Hard to let go...

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Shadowclaimer wrote:
Anyone have their hands on the new models and have any advice about assembling or painting them? I want to make sure I don't screw something up in the process (typically there's little things you can do to make things easier, sub-assemblies, etc.)

I think they're snap fit and somebody said there's barely a trace of mould lines.

**streetsamurai**

CURNOW wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
Wow, I can't belive that they actually tought that this lame game will revive fantasy. Is there an intelligent person left in nottingham ? This is a farce. The core rules are bland and uninteresting in themselves, and then, you have these childish gimmicks, and no way to balance forces against each other.

This is so bad, that I actually think i'll even stop playing 40k, and give my money to a company who actually treat me like an adylt, and not a mentally disabled 12 years old.

Most adults act like adults and don't throw their toys out of the pram because something changes ...oh and they don't refer to themselves or others as " mentally disabled 12 year olds " .

So tha game has changed and gone in a direction you don't like then stop playing it simple ! . Gw don't owe you anything . So for all means give your money to another plastic toy soldier making company so you can feal more adult .

Where did i say that i'll throw my mini out of the pram ???

I'll keep the one I have, as I spent a lot of time converting and painting them, and I
might even use them to play Mordeheim.

And, you can play the relativism game as much as you want, yelling waagh every turn, or riding an imaginary horse 3 times per game (if not more), is only something that will amuse mentaslly disabled 12 years old. Fine if you enjoy that, but most adults won't.

BTW, yes it's true that GW don't owe me anything, but I don't owe them anything at all also, so i'll simply switch my patronage to another company, even if it seems to upset you. And judging by the reaction of most people, I think i won't be alone.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
The good ship KOW ? Is that sailing from Liverpool ?

Personally I do not like the KOW ruleset and find it is basically old fantasy lite edition, to the point where you may as well move rectangles of cardboard around , it has the most droll background for some time and is made by a company whose sole business plan seems to consist of trolling the competition and running endless Kickstarters to a diminishing amount of backers.

However if people like it, that's great, just kindly stop telling those of us who like the look of this how crap it is and go enjoy the game you profess to love.

I've yet to play KOW, so I can't say how good it is, but Mantic are pretty up front with their release schedule, so I don't mind waiting until August.

**Mr Morden**

And, you can play the relativism game as much as you want, yelling waagh every turn, or riding an imaginary horse 3 times per game (if not more), is only something that will amuse mentaslly disabled 12 years old

Yeah and good ridence with that grumpy, judgemental attitude telling us what and how we should have our fun.

**daemonish**

Did I miss something in the rules, what does the star mean in place of a stat?

**Bull0**

streetsamurai wrote:
CURNOW wrote:

Most adults act like adults and don't throw their toys out of the pram

Where did i say that i'll throw my mini out of the pram ???

I'll keep the one I have, as I spent a lot of time converting and painting them, and I
might even use them to play Mordeheim.
And, you can play the relativism game as much as you want, yelling waagh every turn, or riding an imaginary horse 3 times per game (if not more), is only something that will amuse mentaslly disabled 12 years old. Fine if you enjoy that, but most adults won't.

1. "Throwing your toys out of the pram" is a euphemism for having a tantrum, it doesn't mean you're going to physically throw your models out of a pram (do you spend a lot of time in a pram? Presumably not? If so, weird)

2. Stop co-opting disabilities for jokes, point-scoring, insults, whatever.

**Mr Morden**

daemonish wrote:
Did I miss something in the rules, what does the star mean in place of a stat?

Its a a variable stat - Very cool mechanic - usually as a multiwound creature takes its hits it gets weaker and slower

There is a chart on the scroll realted to the wound levels

**Bull0**

daemonish wrote:
Did I miss something in the rules, what does the star mean in place of a stat?

There's a table underneath the statline that shows what the value is, because it changes depending on how many wounds the model has taken. Confused me at first.

**ravenwind1984**

One other thing I haven't see anyone else mention.

Where does this leave warhammer:total war? If GW have pulled the plug on the universe does it show a lack of faith in the IP or could this all be a cunning ruse to make us all buy higher speck PCs to play digital retrohammer?!

**Mr Morden**

Bull0 wrote:
daemonish wrote:
Did I miss something in the rules, what does the star mean in place of a stat?

There's a table underneath the statline that shows what the value is, because it changes depending on how many wounds the model has taken. Confused me at first.

I had to look twice but I do like it - not seen it before and seems a clever thing

**streetsamurai**

Mantic could really profit from this AOS fiasco. But to do so, they'll have to invest a lot in the quality of their models. Right now, I have no interest of buying any of Mantic models, except for their undead.

I don't see how me playing their games with GW mini help them at the end of the day, cause until they manage to be almost on par with GW quality wise, most people wont buy them

**ImAGeek**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Shadowclaimer wrote:
Anyone have their hands on the new models and have any advice about assembling or painting them? I want to make sure I don't screw something up in the process (typically there's little things you can do to make things easier, sub-assemblies, etc.)

I think they're snap fit and somebody said there's barely a trace of mould lines.

I think they need glue actually. I'm not sure because I haven't seen it but I seem to recall someone saying they were proper models, not snap fit ones. But they're still monopose.

**mikhaila**

Played against a giant today. Terrifying. He starts out with 4d6 for his club, a nasty headbutt and a punt. I did what i could to take him down, and it brought him down to 1d6 on the club. He still killed some stuff, then when my chariot killed him, he fell and killed the Gorebeast Chariot

**Azreal13**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
The good ship KOW ? Is that sailing from Liverpool ?

Not sure if you're referencing something deeper, my maritime history references are a little thin I'll admit, but the Titanic sailed from Southampton, if that's what you're driving at?

Personally I do not like the KOW ruleset and find it is basically old fantasy lite edition, to the point where you may as well move rectangles of cardboard around , it has the most droll background for some time and is made by a company whose sole business plan seems to consist of trolling the competition and running endless Kickstarters to a diminishing amount of backers.

As opposed to a company that releases ever increasing quantities of product with slowly declining quality to a diminishing amount of customers, indulges in (and loses) tenuous litigation and refusing to acknowledge the existence of the competition?

(Oh, and I'm no player, but KoW v2 launches next week, so you never know, the changes may send it right up your street.)

However if people like it, that's great, just kindly stop telling those of us who like the look of this how crap it is and go enjoy the game you profess to love.

Why? Are you so insecure about your own ability to judge the quality of something that you're afraid strangers on the Internet my make you think differently from how you want? Just crack on enjoying the game you profess to love and sod what other people are saying.

**OgreChubbs**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What's that famous quote? I don't mind the despair, it's the hope I can't stand.

People have been sailing on the warhammer ship, that ship hit an iceberg and sunk, the survivors are clinging on to driftwood for dear life, hoping to be rescued.

The GW rescue ship sails on past, but people still cling on to hope. (th edition is the illusion, a dying man's dream.

There is nothing from GW's behaviour these past years to suggest they'll ever change. Kirby's sitting in his bunker, waiting for that Tiger battalion to save the day and drive away the rival companies.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Formosa wrote:
Ok, so warhammer is dead, buried and gone. This new crap isn't warhammer, and to answer the above question, if these rules were not free, no way in hell would I pay for this utter turd, it feels like no effort was made and I'm getting a giant middle finger from gw for my 25 years of loyalty.

I will carry on with 8th and try kow, I will also not spend another penny on gw "fantasy" and I am urging others to do the same in my local area.

Welcome aboard the good ship KOW. Right now, I'd quite happily pay Mantic double the price for their stuff.

I think your just being a little childish you don't like it move on. I could care less from once the models play so long as they play. My ogres are still in it so, so am I plus I love nurgle/khorne so I am good.
And like I said you hate it move on to post in a topic every what....5th post for the last 7 hours saying you hate it gets a bit old.

I agree, I said this earlier, but in my defence, I've had 20 + years of good memories. Hard to let go...

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Shadowclaimer wrote:
Anyone have their hands on the new models and have any advice about assembling or painting them? I want to make sure I don't screw something up in the process (typically there's little things you can do to make things easier, sub-assemblies, etc.)

I think they're snap fit and somebody said there's barely a trace of mould lines.

I feel like i was a bit agressive so i do say sorry for that. I just dont get it tho, it is not like devorce you do not lose halfyour stuff or pay them out. Sell your core keep your show pieces find a different game transfer some models or sell them off and get some money for a new hobby. Nothing buisnesse related lasts forever thing chang die out and are remade. Look at thundercats, terminator, transformers ect.

What it was will never be again you change and so to does the auidance. Of course they dumbed down the rules they have too. The player base is getting younger and need instant profit. If they walk in see a book they walk out, hell the age of books are dyeing out and going digatal i had to fight with visa for twenty minutes to get paper statement.

We get older and the market need to change with the times. Oldder we get less we spend on hobbies alot to do with the finical crap that just hit world wide and we geting over. Kids need to pick this hobby up and they want things easyer and fun NOW not to read or do math. I still miss the feeling of getting the new hard cover edition the new novel or codex and knowing i had a good read ahead pf me, hell even loved the new book amell. Now it all hey you want to read get your tablet want to talk get your text phone.

**Bull0**

Mr Morden wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
daemonish wrote:
Did I miss something in the rules, what does the star mean in place of a stat?

There's a table underneath the statline that shows what the value is, because it changes depending on how many wounds the model has taken. Confused me at first.

I had to look twice but I do like it - not seen it before and seems a clever thing

Yeah, it's nifty. And in the old format it'd be a bugger, because you'd have to consult the book all the time.

**Mr Morden**

mikhaila wrote:
Played against a giant today. Terrifying. He starts out with 4d6 for his club, a nasty headbutt and a punt. I did what i could to take him down, and it brought him down to 1d6 on the club. He still killed some stuff, then when my chariot killed him, he fell and killed the Gorebeast Chariot

Sounds great fun - tell us more about the game please

**overtyrant**

streetsamurai wrote:
Mantic could really profit from this AOS fiasco. But to do so, they'll have to invest a lot in the quality of their models. Right now, I have no interest of buying any of Mantic models, except for their undead.

I don't see how me playing their games with GW mini help them at the end of the day, cause until they manage to be almost on par with GW quality wise, most people wont buy them

New stuff coming from the last KS is top notch, the Abyssals may be a marmite case (like AoS) though. They really do improve from KS to KS, which of course because of those funds they can expand and do things they wouldn't previously be able to do.

**OgreChubbs**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What's that famous quote? I don't mind the despair, it's the hope I can't stand.

People have been sailing on the warhammer ship, that ship hit an iceberg and sunk, the survivors are clinging on to driftwood for dear life, hoping to be rescued.

The GW rescue ship sails on past, but people still cling on to hope. (th edition is the illusion, a dying man's dream.

There is nothing from GW's behaviour these past years to suggest they'll ever change. Kirby's sitting in his bunker, waiting for that Tiger battalion to save the day and drive away the rival companies.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Formosa wrote:
Ok, so warhammer is dead, buried and gone. This new crap isn't warhammer, and to answer the above question, if these rules were not free, no way in hell would I pay for this utter turd, it feels like no effort was made and I'm getting a giant middle finger from gw for my 25 years of loyalty.

I will carry on with 8th and try kow, I will also not spend another penny on gw "fantasy" and I am urging others to do the same in my local area.

Welcome aboard the good ship KOW. Right now, I'd quite happily pay Mantic double the price for their stuff.

I think your just being a little childish you don't like it move on. I could care less from once the models play so long as they play. My ogres are still in it so, so am I plus I love nurgle/khorne so I am good.
And like I said you hate it move on to post in a topic every what....5th post for the last 7 hours saying you hate it gets a bit old.

I agree, I said this earlier, but in my defence, I've had 20 + years of good memories. Hard to let go...

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Shadowclaimer wrote:
Anyone have their hands on the new models and have any advice about assembling or painting them? I want to make sure I don't screw something up in the process (typically there's little things you can do to make things easier, sub-assemblies, etc.)

I think they're snap fit and somebody said there's barely a trace of mould lines.
I feel like i was a bit agressive so i do say sorry for that. I just dont get it tho, it is not like devorce you do not lose halfyour stuff or pay them out. Sell your core keep your show pieces find a different game transfer some models or sell them off and get some money for a new hobby. Nothing buisnesse related lasts forever thing chang die out and are remade. Look at thundercats, terminator, transformers ect.

What it was will never be again you change and so to does the auidance. Of course they dumbed down the rules they have too. The player base is getting younger and need instant profit. If they walk in see a book they walk out, hell the age of books are dyeing out and going digatal i had to fight with visa for twenty minutes to get paper statement.

We get older and the market need to change with the times. Oldder we get less we spend on hobbies alot to do with the finical crap that just hit world wide and we Are just geting over. Kids need to pick this hobby up and they want things easyer and fun NOW not to read or do math. I still miss the feeling of getting the new hard cover edition the new novel or codex and knowing i had a good read ahead Of me, hell even loved the new book amell. Now it all hey you want to read get your tablet want to talk get your text phone.

**insaniak**

streetsamurai wrote:
And, you can play the relativism game as much as you want, yelling waagh every turn, or riding an imaginary horse 3 times per game (if not more), is only something that will amuse mentaslly disabled 12 years old..

This is just pointlessly offensive. Some people like things you don't. That doesn't make them mentally disabled. Please refrain from making statements like this in the future.

**Eggs**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Oldder we get less we spend on hobbies alot to do with the finical crap that just hit world wide and we geting over. .

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. I have a disposable income that dwarfs what I had when I was younger. My bills have doubled in the time my income has quadrupled. I know I'm lucky, but my point is that adults in the west generally have a good chunk more spare cash than kids do.