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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Playing Devils Advocate?

One look at the poster's history should tell you it's not Devil's Advocacy, but rather it's trolling.

Figure I give him/her a chance to come out

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The Police Brutality Defense Committee might want to sit this one out, eh?

 Xenomancers wrote:
The Defense Committee Appears

He's not only a member of the committee, he's the chairman!

Wonder if he's also a Union of One

Frazzled, aren't tazers "less lethal" options, aka, they can potentially cause death but it's unlikely?

Also, from what I can tell the taser had already been discharged and was unloaded. It'd need a new cartridge (that the officer would have I assume) to be used again (unless it's one with contact options).

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Frazzled, aren't tazers "less lethal" options, aka, they can potentially cause death but it's unlikely?

Also, from what I can tell the taser had already been discharged and was unloaded. It'd need a new cartridge (that the officer would have I assume) to be used again (unless it's one with contact options).

Versus a normal person its not lethal. Things can happen.

And yes those are typically cartridge based tasers, not the old hand held tasers that civilians had (used to have).

 Frazzled wrote:


Horse poop. A Taser is not a lethal weapon. The officer was not in fear for his life or the lives of others.

Buuut... if he had been tasered, the perp "could" have then taken his sidearm, I guess. Right?

I guess I didn't see at the beginning of the video the deceased drop/throw anything.

There was to much time between the perp running away and the discharges of the LEO weapons.

At the start of the video you can see the object (presumably the taser) fall and hit the ground behind the officer.

They were both fighting over it (you can sorta tell if you play in slowmotion) and at no point does it seem to end up in full control of the victim. It's more like he flung it away and the officer let go at the same time.

Considering he doesn't start shooting until the guy is running away, there is no way to call that 'fear for his life'.

I'm sorry, but there is really no way to defend this guy. He violated everything we're taught in gaining compliance.

Follow that up with planting the taser on the guy and then lying on the report.

He moved the tazer over yes but............for lack of words......"Rage Kill"

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Follow that up with planting the taser on the guy and then lying on the report.

For sure. Was anyone ever able to answer whether or not that action, and then the lying, would be enough to justify a capital punishment?

No idea, I'm against the death penalty.

He certainly deserves to go away for a long ass time.

The fact he killed a man who was running away. Hell his Lawyer quit the case.
The LEO was not endanger of his life

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Frazzled, aren't tazers "less lethal" options, aka, they can potentially cause death but it's unlikely?

Also, from what I can tell the taser had already been discharged and was unloaded. It'd need a new cartridge (that the officer would have I assume) to be used again (unless it's one with contact options).

You are correct. To date I believe that only one death has ever been attributed to tazer use in the line of duty, and that is because there was gasoline in the vicinity at the time the device was deployed

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Frazzled, aren't tazers "less lethal" options, aka, they can potentially cause death but it's unlikely?

Also, from what I can tell the taser had already been discharged and was unloaded. It'd need a new cartridge (that the officer would have I assume) to be used again (unless it's one with contact options).

You are correct. To date I believe that only one death has ever been attributed to tazer use in the line of duty, and that is because there was gasoline in the vicinity at the time the device was deployed

Fwoosh?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Frazzled, aren't tazers "less lethal" options, aka, they can potentially cause death but it's unlikely?

Also, from what I can tell the taser had already been discharged and was unloaded. It'd need a new cartridge (that the officer would have I assume) to be used again (unless it's one with contact options).

You are correct. To date I believe that only one death has ever been attributed to tazer use in the line of duty, and that is because there was gasoline in the vicinity at the time the device was deployed

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Fwoosh?

Essentially

http://www.wokv.com/news/news/national/cop-fires-taser-fleeing-driver-car-explodes/nkfqN/

A recently released dashboard cam video off of a California Border Patrol agent’s cruiser captures the moment the agent’s Taser causes a car to explode.

The incident began in Pine Valley, in March 2012 when Border Patrol agents in an unmarked car tried to pull over Alex Martin.

Martin was allegedly driving the wrong way on Interstate 8, but refused to pull over because it was dark and the car was unmarked.

After chasing Martin for three minutes, he was finally brought to a stop using spike strips.

The dashcam video shows a plainclothes agent trying to open the passenger side door, then smashing the window of Martin’s car before firing the Taser into the vehicle.

That’s when a fireball engulfs the car, blowing the officer back.

Dashcam video then captures the patrol agents quickly pulling away from Martin’s burning vehicle.

Martin’s family is now suing the federal government, claiming wrongful death.

Their lawyer, Eugene Iredale, states that the agents should have smelled the spilled gas in the car, which was ignited by the Taser’s spark.

He also claims that none of the agents tried to save Martin, despite all three patrol agent’s cruisers having fire extinguishers.

The federal government is looking to dismiss the lawsuit though, focusing on previous issues Martin had had with the law.

That's not good. Doesn't really seem to be the officers' fault though.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That's not good. Doesn't really seem to be the officers' fault though.

There could be a prima facie claim of negligence concerning the smell of gas and the tasers being deployed. The issue over the fire extinguishers could be interesting; were they the right type for the class of fire, and if so could they be used safely with a person being trapped in such a confined space (especially if it was a CO2 extinguisher). What I found strange was that the Government's response wasn't to deny liability. Instead it was to focus on the deceased's criminal past.

It's a moot thing to ponder but sometimes I wonder what is going through the heads of 'bad cops' that are actually guilty.

Like, was it lack of training, bad judgement and panic? Or was it hate and anger? Or just plain indifference and disregard? Not that we will ever really know.

Btw, my own personal opinion is that the Michael Brown case was justified based on the evidence that was released to the public but in this case, the video looks really bad for that officer.

 KiloFiX wrote:
It's a moot thing to ponder but sometimes I wonder what is going through the heads of 'bad cops' that are actually guilty.

Like, was it lack of training, bad judgement and panic? Or was it hate and anger? Or just plain indifference and disregard? Not that we will ever really know.

Btw, my own personal opinion is that the Michael Brown case was justified based on the evidence that was released to the public but in this case, the video looks really bad for that officer.

I have a feeling it was a mixture of resentment, some flavor of superiority complex, and the complete misunderstanding that the system will not throw him under the bus.

But no real way of knowing.

Death penalty.

Needs to be sent to life-in-prison with Big Bubba.

*I've actually evolved to anti-death penalty.

 whembly wrote:
Needs to be sent to life-in-prison with Big Bubba.

*I've actually evolved to anti-death penalty.

Rape is generally at least as frowned upon of a sentence as the death penalty.

 KiloFiX wrote:
It's a moot thing to ponder but sometimes I wonder what is going through the heads of 'bad cops' that are actually guilty.

Like, was it lack of training, bad judgement and panic? Or was it hate and anger? Or just plain indifference and disregard? Not that we will ever really know.

Btw, my own personal opinion is that the Michael Brown case was justified based on the evidence that was released to the public but in this case, the video looks really bad for that officer.

What do you expect out of a guy who got Cs in high school?

Mention he did a stint in the Coast Guard

 Jihadin wrote:
Mention he did a stint in the Coast Guard

Which one? I think I have heard different stories that mention either as a vet.

First off, I can't believe that you can get arrested and jailed for failure to pay child support.

WTF?! Now, granted, if he wasn't paying to begin with...then a vacation in the pokey isn't going to *make* him pay or otherwise put a burden on him (besides loss of freedom).

Second....

I don't think that he will get First Degree Murder charges...that would be hard to prove pre-meditation.

My interweb armchair lawyering degree says that even Second Degree Murder may be hard to convict on:

Second Degree Murder: Definition. Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.

He could argue "it wasn't intentional" and "it was in the heat of passion". However, it was obviously (in my opinion) 100% fulfilling of #2.

I am thinking some kind of manslaughter charge would be far easier to convict on.

And really...if he were to be found not guilty of the higher charge, then he couldn't be prosecuted again for a lesser charge for the same crime (double jeopardy).

So, I say try to go for the sure conviction....that would be the start of justice, and then let the prisoners exact their own to finish the job.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
First off, I can't believe that you can get arrested and jailed for failure to pay child support.

Why not?

You can go to jail for far more minor offenses, especially if you are a repeat offender.