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 Frazzled wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Urged NOT to go home?

Screw that. I'd get home and lock and load, or if you're ayankee I guess get the bat out.

You gotta remember, a lot of people live in Baltimore and work in DC or vice versa. So the act of getting 'home' is kinda dangerous right now.

Why? This is a question. I only saw a headline.

There are organized violence targeting police right now... And traffic is a super mess right now. And it is expected to get worse over night. So driving into the middle of it if you can avoid it is recommended. Or at least until after rush hour/police clean up.

Basically like with any major event: "Staying where you are is better than driving into the middle of it, especially if there is huge traffic delays"

As someone who lived 10 minutes away from Ferguson...

Stay safe dude!

 whembly wrote:
As someone who lived 10 minutes away from Ferguson...

Stay safe dude!

I am not that close to it But we have an office in Baltimore and a lot of my Co-Workers live in Baltimore and commute to our office. So the company is basically trying to keep employees safe and giving staff information. They are opening up telework options and other options for those who are impacted by this. But in this area, DC/Baltimore are like conjoined twins, what happens in one impacts the other, and a ton of people live in one city and commute to the other daily so it is becoming an overall issue. I suspect Suburbs will be relatively safe for now.

I will say my plans to attend some Os games right now are suspended until further notice Os are already giving refunds for some season ticket holders and vouchers for other people.

If the police are being targeted they should respond in kind. Put the shields down and rack the pumps. I thought it was just hooligans at a mall.

Lets hope all the good people stay safe.

 Frazzled wrote:
If the police are being targeted they should respond in kind. Put the shields down and rack the pumps. I thought it was just hooligans at a mall.

There are some organized social media campaigns, and my friend who is a DC cop says there are some 'credible threats' which are being followed up on.

The problem is, often the people instigating violence and the bodies who will hit the floor are not the same people as many of the instigators use peaceful people as a shield, or sometimes the young and impressionable get caught up in it. So I am not supportive of mowing protesters down with shotguns or any other solutions. It would be awful if it came to that. I know Dakka has a lot of people out for blood with popcorn waiting from what people say in the Middle east threads as they casually toss around Genocide as a viable solution, but I don't wish that on these people. I would rather see property damage over dead protesters any day.

Seven cops with one unresponsive, thats not property damage.

 Frazzled wrote:
Seven cops with one unresponsive, thats not property damage.

And yet, you can't chain-gun down hundreds of people to stop a few violent protesters... This isn't the Hunger Games.

The police are taking steps to protect themselves and the population without turning to mass executions like suggested by some. It is a hard situation with no easy solution.

 Frazzled wrote:
Seven cops with one unresponsive, thats not property damage.

Neither is a guy who died with a broken back.

I guess if we use the Frazzled logic to solve problems the protesters should be opening fire on the police instead of protesting.

I'm glad that people on both sides of this issue have more brains than that.

 Jihadin wrote:
Baltimore erupted. Teenagers vs LEO's.

When idiots collide...

When is nightfall, roughly?

Might be interesting for some people.

 Medium of Death wrote:


When is nightfall, roughly?

8pmish

Os game has been cancelled, Most of the Inner Harbor is closed as they have reports that it will be targeted tonight. The people moving from the Northwest to the center of the city. They are basically destroying stores and looting cash right now. (CVS burning, and a bodega with someone throwing ATM cash into the crowd)

Police are basically blocking off roads and containing opposed to directly confronting. The show of numbers does seem to be working in warding off violence between the police and looters.

The sad part was the funeral today was super peaceful and this morning, it looked like it would be a good day.

Expectations is that National Guard may be activated, Other surrounding counties police forces are being brought in... (not sure that is a good thing, I think I would trust national guard as a third party right now and so might looters)

I am super curious why and how PG county police were in Baltimore... That doesn't seem normal 'pre-escallation'. I hope we don't find out some out-of-area police decided to play vigilante and got in over their heads. Something isn't adding up with how PG county police were at the source of the violence and the victims of injuries.

For those who don't know the area... GREEN is where the officers who were hurt are from. The violence happened in the NW area of the baltimore square.

Same story as always then.

"They arrested a guy, there is zero evidence that he resisted, there is evidence that he was beat, and he died from injuries that he mysteriously suffered while in custody."
"Yeah, but as you can see in this picture, he was an donkey-cave. So sure he may have been murdered by the police, but it's not like they murdered a good guy. They murdered a scumbag. So no real harm done."

Why hold the police accountable when you can just whitewash the whole thing with "at least they only killed a scumbag".

Disgusting.

They suspended the officers.

This is just rioting.

As always seems to be the case the only thing being whitewashed is this guy's criminal past.

I just saw more videos of the mab throwing rocks at the police. o.O

And the gangs haven't come out yet... Where's the national guard?



Automatically Appended Next Post:
UPDATE: MD Gov does indeed declares state of emergency and is deploying NG.

 Medium of Death wrote:
They suspended the officers.

This is just rioting.

As always seems to be the case the only thing being whitewashed is this guy's criminal past.

What does his past have to do with any of this? Is it in any way or shape relevant to his death?

Please feel free to explain what exactly the point was of you posting this, because at this point it just appears that you are part of the "at least they only killed a scumbag" crowd.

He has previous so it is different if this was just some random guy pulled off the street for doing nothing.

Then subsequently making a martyr of him that gives the rest of this scum apparent license to go out and riot.

 Medium of Death wrote:
He has previous so it is different if this was just some random guy pulled off the street for doing nothing.

How is that relevant to what happened to him?

Use your words and explain your reason for posting that picture.

Why shouldn't I post it?

It's relevant.

It shows his criminal past.

He wasn't a "good man". He was scum. It doesn't justify his death but let's not pretend that this is somehow a great tragedy.

 whembly wrote:


I just saw more videos of the mab throwing rocks at the police. o.O

And the gangs haven't come out yet... Where's the national guard?



Automatically Appended Next Post:
UPDATE: MD Gov does indeed declares state of emergency and is deploying NG.

They have been stacking up military vehicles at the parking lots near the stadiums near the inner harbor for hours, so this was expected.

I wish this was done before there was a massive influx of outsider police into the city... I dunno, it doesn't seem appropriate for police forces to just russel up a posse and ride into jurisdictions 50 miles outside their juresdiction. I know some of it was organized, but I hope we found out how some of this escalation went down.

Also, apparently the source of a lot of the violence was from a single high school. It was reported 300 kids from one high school formed a mob, left school and went to loot and riot. This was reported by a state senator, so I am unsure how she got the information. Scary if true because it makes things complicated when you basically have children acting out with violence. Makes it hard for parents to step in and control their kids when it happens at school.

Edit: A lot of "Please go get your damn kids" going on for the Baltimore Highschools. There are a lot of kids out of control and adults trying to salvage their community. :(

 Medium of Death wrote:
Why shouldn't I post it?

Many reasons why you may have posted it. I had my suspicions.

It's relevant.

It has absolutely zero bearing on what happens during this arrest.

It shows his criminal past.

It has absolutely zero bearing on what happens during his arrest.

He wasn't a "good man". He was scum.

It has absolutely zero bearing on what happens during his arrest.

It doesn't justify his death

It doesn't, so there is zero reason for even posting it unless...

but let's not pretend that this is somehow a great tragedy.

...you want to make a statement that says more about yourself than the guy who was killed.

You have accomplished that, congratulations.

 Medium of Death wrote:
He has previous so it is different if this was just some random guy pulled off the street for doing nothing.

Then subsequently making a martyr of him that gives the rest of this scum apparent license to go out and riot.

It doesn't matter if the guy was Mother Theresa or Ted Bundy. The use of force laws are very specific, and this LEO is on video clearly "misapplying force," which is the boot-licker way of saying he fething murdered someone.

If they give this cop the needle, I'll say that's 2 counts of making the world a better place.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
He has previous so it is different if this was just some random guy pulled off the street for doing nothing.

Then subsequently making a martyr of him that gives the rest of this scum apparent license to go out and riot.

It doesn't matter if the guy was Mother Theresa or Ted Bundy. The use of force laws are very specific, and this LEO is on video clearly "misapplying force," which is the boot-licker way of saying he fething murdered someone.

If they give this cop the needle, I'll say that's 2 counts of making the world a better place.

I'm still anti-death penalty, but I agree with Nuggz on the rest. And it's always a scary day when we agree on stuff.

 d-usa wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
He has previous so it is different if this was just some random guy pulled off the street for doing nothing.

Then subsequently making a martyr of him that gives the rest of this scum apparent license to go out and riot.

It doesn't matter if the guy was Mother Theresa or Ted Bundy. The use of force laws are very specific, and this LEO is on video clearly "misapplying force," which is the boot-licker way of saying he fething murdered someone.

If they give this cop the needle, I'll say that's 2 counts of making the world a better place.

I'm still anti-death penalty, but I agree with Nuggz on the rest. And it's always a scary day when we agree on stuff.

Throw me in with both of ya... I'm in agreement.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
He has previous so it is different if this was just some random guy pulled off the street for doing nothing.

Then subsequently making a martyr of him that gives the rest of this scum apparent license to go out and riot.

It doesn't matter if the guy was Mother Theresa or Ted Bundy. The use of force laws are very specific, and this LEO is on video clearly "misapplying force," which is the boot-licker way of saying he fething murdered someone.

If they give this cop the needle, I'll say that's 2 counts of making the world a better place.

I'm still anti-death penalty, but I agree with Nuggz on the rest. And it's always a scary day when we agree on stuff.

Throw me in with both of ya... I'm in agreement.

Never thought I'd see the day!!





Also want to add that we should be very careful about drawing parallels between this incident and Ferguson. The question in Ferguson was whether or not Brown presented a threat to the officer. In this case, there's video evidence showing that he posed zero threat to that officer. A reasonable person can look at this and see that is a huge difference.

Am I saying that the Police officer shouldn't be charged with murder?

I'm just point out that this guy wasn't a saint and now this is going to add the whole "cops hate blacks" nonsense despite it being a pretty rare occurrence considering how large your country is and how many police officers you have.

Meanwhile more Blacks murder Whites and nothing gets anywhere near close to the coverage it does when a thug gets brutalised by a vicious cop.

I'll also say that even if they killed Mother Theresa, it also doesn't justify violence and rioting in retaliation. Unless we want to see if any of the shop owners didn't pay their taxes or if they kicked kittens, which would make it less bad I guess.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and three wrongs don't make a right (although three rights makes a left, but I digress). Rioting isn't right, the police killing an unarmed man isn't right and that doesn't make the riots right, and a lifetime in drug dealing isn't right and it doesn't make the killing right.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Meanwhile more Blacks murder Whites and nothing gets anywhere near close to the coverage it does when a thug gets brutalised by a vicious cop.

This is starting to look a LOT like trolling.

Maybe the arresting officer probably arrested Freddie Gray a couple times before.

Though
"Eye Contact"
"Run from cops"
Is pretty damn weak arse excuse to apprehend an individual.

I'm under the impression he was not the only one in back the "paddy wagon" who were heading in to be booked. What are their testimonies?

This guy is a hero:

We need more people like this during the #BaltimoreRiots https://t.co/y3RcA0dLMe

— America (@Drunk_America) April 28, 2015

We need more of 'em!

 Janthkin wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Meanwhile more Blacks murder Whites and nothing gets anywhere near close to the coverage it does when a thug gets brutalised by a vicious cop.

This is starting to look a LOT like trolling.

Think a majority of the debates on Dakka concerning this is Caucasian on Black.....