What Is Written On The Terminus Decree?

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**RaptorusRex**

What's in the box!?

**CthuluIsSpy**

It's a detailed set of instructions on how to break the glass over the emergency retcon button.

**Furyou Miko**

RaptorusRex wrote:
What's in the box!?

I would love to tell you, but sadly it's not board appropriate.

**Squidmanlolz**

Mat Ward's autograph

**Abadabadoobaddon**

The Terminus Decree was written by Janus, the first Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights, who was probably secretly Omegon! Or maybe Alpharius. It contains an incantation that when spoken aloud, probably instantaneously banishes any daemon within the Sol system back to the Warp! Or maybe casts the Rubric of Ahriman. All will be reviled in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times... you are swan to secrecy!

**BrianDavion**

Honestly, I doubt Matt Ward even knew when he came up with this. writers love to develop little vague things like this in part to watch and enjoy the fan speculation involving it.

**Ashiraya**

Paradigm wrote:
Have you read Dark Lord Seanron's "Death of the Emperor" project in Dakka Fiction? Living proof that even stuff that completely rewrites the setting can be well written. Of course, the quality of writing is miles ahead of GW's. but still, it's worth a read for a very unique take on What Comes Next after the setting as we know it is annihilated.

Oh of course. I have no doubt that such a plot could be well written.

I just strongly doubt that GW would write it well.

**djphranq**

"We're out of Iho sticks"

**locarno24**

An 'off switch' for the throne makes sense, so does a 'commoragh-lite' switch for Terra.

You couldn't give it to the Custodes because they would never use it. If the Imperium was burning, and the only possible chance for survival was to shut down the throne and kill the Emperor..... they still wouldn't.

The only other faction in the 40k universe who are absolutely trustworthy (from Malcador and the Emperor's perspective) but pragmatic enough to actually push the apocalypse button when it needed to be pushed were the Knights.

Add this to the fact that the box came from Malcador. In order to give it to the Knights, he must have given it to Janus and co before Titan dropped into the warp - meaning before the siege of Terra. Which means he can't have known what the Imperium would look like after that battle - he can hope that the Loyalists won, but the only force he knew would be intact and battle-ready would, again, be the Grey Knights.

**koooaei**

"Kaldor was here".

**chyron**

locarno24 wrote:

Add this to the fact that the box came from Malcador. In order to give it to the Knights, he must have given it to Janus and co before Titan dropped into the warp - meaning before the siege of Terra. Which means he can't have known what the Imperium would look like after that battle - he can hope that the Loyalists won, but the only force he knew would be intact and battle-ready would, again, be the Grey Knights.

More importantly - while Malcador was potentially aware of GT's function as Webway gate conroller (and aspects of it we don't know) i doubt he prophecied that E. will be entombed 'alive' in it.
More than that - he couldn't be sure that moment Titan reemerges there still will be Terra , Imperium....and Golden Throne ( Of course unless it's all 'going according to plan' a la Leto's 'Golden Path' in Dune...)

**Rippy**

I chose orders to kill the Emeror, as that makes the most sense!

GKTiberius wrote:
curran12 wrote:
Well, I've been giving this a little thought, and here's what I think it might be, and my logic for it:

Since the symbol on the box matches the symbol on the Throne, rather than one more specific to the Emperor, I think it is a safe assumption that the Terminus Decree has more to do with the Throne than the man sitting on it. And given that the Throne was originally meant to be associated with the Webway, I think it has something to do with that. Also, since the whole of the Decree is that it is to be read when humanity is right on the brink of destruction, I'd pose that the Terminus Decree is only meant to be followed when the enemy is quite literally at Terra's doorstep.

What I think the decree contains is the method of pulling all of Terra into the Webway. It is a desperation move that probably kills the Emperor, but also preserves a pocket of humanity. The "it can either save the Imperium or kill it" comes from such a drastic event. Yes, Terra and its pocket of humanity is safe, but at the same time, the heart of the Imperium is just gone.

This is a very interesting theory. Kind of like the DE homeworld, but not as messed up. I really like this idea.

I love this idea as well, other than the fact that as soon as the earth is moved, our gavity is stuffed and we all die anyway haha.

**girgam**

Its new autoexec.bat and config.sys files for a dos 6.0 upgrade to the golden throne, will need a reboot upon implementation

**Happyjew**

"The Terminus Decree is in another castle."

**Enron**

For those of you saying that the terminus decree can only be enacted on Titan here is some food for thought:

If the prophecy can be believed there will be a Grey Knight force in the Emperors presence during the final battle of the Imperium. Justicar Anval Thawn is fated to die at the feet of the Golden Throne. Could this have something to do with the terminus decree?!?!!?

I don't know im starting to connect a lot of dots

Terminus Decree->Final Battle->Perpetual Presence->Perpetual death for another->Possible Rebirth of Emperor?

-Sounds very similar to what John Grammaticus did for Vulkan

BAH BAH BAHHHH

**RaptorusRex**

Perhaps a message revealing Janus's identity as Omegon, the origin of the Knights's geneseed, and the final plan of the twins?

**Iron_Captain**

RaptorusRex wrote:
Perhaps a message revealing Janus's identity as Omegon, the origin of the Knights's geneseed, and the final plan of the twins?

Yes, it is probably a message identifying the Grey Knights as an Alpha Legion cell and contains orders to fulfill whatever the Alpha Legion's ultimate goal is.

**Ratius**

An 'off switch' for the throne makes sense, so does a 'commoragh-lite' switch for Terra.

You couldn't give it to the Custodes because they would never use it. If the Imperium was burning, and the only possible chance for survival was to shut down the throne and kill the Emperor..... they still wouldn't.

The only other faction in the 40k universe who are absolutely trustworthy (from Malcador and the Emperor's perspective) but pragmatic enough to actually push the apocalypse button when it needed to be pushed were the Knights.

Add this to the fact that the box came from Malcador. In order to give it to the Knights, he must have given it to Janus and co before Titan dropped into the warp - meaning before the siege of Terra. Which means he can't have known what the Imperium would look like after that battle - he can hope that the Loyalists won, but the only force he knew would be intact and battle-ready would, again, be the Grey Knights.

Add this to the fact that the box came from Malcador. In order to give it to the Knights, he must have given it to Janus and co before Titan dropped into the warp - meaning before the siege of Terra. Which means he can't have known what the Imperium would look like after that battle - he can hope that the Loyalists won, but the only force he knew would be intact and battle-ready would, again, be the Grey Knights.

More importantly - while Malcador was potentially aware of GT's function as Webway gate conroller (and aspects of it we don't know) i doubt he prophecied that E. will be entombed 'alive' in it.
More than that - he couldn't be sure that moment Titan reemerges there still will be Terra , Imperium....and Golden Throne ( Of course unless it's all 'going according to plan' a la Leto's 'Golden Path' in Dune...)

Some well thought out and argued points here. Im changing my opinion

**Mellow**

It's probably to switch off the Golden Throne and embrace Chaos to ensure humanities survival. Rather alive and tainted than not alive at all.

**SagesStone**

Severing the warp would be really bad since it has no concept of time to sever the warp from the present would also sever it from the past and future thus actually undoing the imperium by removing their ability for FTL travel which fueled the initial expansion among other things in which the note wouldn't even exist anyway as the warp would have never existed.

**Deadshot**

The only ones it could be are Purge the High Lords and Kill the Emperor. Its the "Terminus" decree, derived from terminate/terminal, implying killing of something. Only "Kill the Emperor" makes sense.

**BrianDavion**

Mellow wrote:
It's probably to switch off the Golden Throne and embrace Chaos to ensure humanities survival. Rather alive and tainted than not alive at all.

except thats not the IoM ideology at all. they basicly re chaos hold a "better dead the red" mind set

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Deadshot wrote:
The only ones it could be are Purge the High Lords and Kill the Emperor. Its the "Terminus" decree, derived from terminate/terminal, implying killing of something. Only "Kill the Emperor" makes sense.

except thats not the case at all. Terminus is actually the root word here. and basicly translates as "end" hence really all the name means is it's a contingancy for the end times, and it could be anything. a kill switch for the emperor, a recall order to the surviving primarchs, instructions to dance the Macarena and thus confuse the heck outta Abbaddon so someone else can kill him.

**A Town Called Malus**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The Terminus Decree was written by Janus, the first Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights, who was probably secretly Omegon! Or maybe Alpharius. It contains an incantation that when spoken aloud, probably instantaneously banishes any daemon within the Sol system back to the Warp! Or maybe casts the Rubric of Ahriman. All will be reviled in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times... you are swan to secrecy!

Great typo there

**GKTiberius**

Rippy wrote:
I chose orders to kill the Emeror, as that makes the most sense!

GKTiberius wrote:
curran12 wrote:
Well, I've been giving this a little thought, and here's what I think it might be, and my logic for it:

Since the symbol on the box matches the symbol on the Throne, rather than one more specific to the Emperor, I think it is a safe assumption that the Terminus Decree has more to do with the Throne than the man sitting on it. And given that the Throne was originally meant to be associated with the Webway, I think it has something to do with that. Also, since the whole of the Decree is that it is to be read when humanity is right on the brink of destruction, I'd pose that the Terminus Decree is only meant to be followed when the enemy is quite literally at Terra's doorstep.

What I think the decree contains is the method of pulling all of Terra into the Webway. It is a desperation move that probably kills the Emperor, but also preserves a pocket of humanity. The "it can either save the Imperium or kill it" comes from such a drastic event. Yes, Terra and its pocket of humanity is safe, but at the same time, the heart of the Imperium is just gone.

This is a very interesting theory. Kind of like the DE home world, but not as messed up. I really like this idea.

I love this idea as well, other than the fact that as soon as the earth is moved, our gravity is stuffed and we all die anyway haha.

Except that if earth was moved into the web way it wouldn’t affect its mass, which dictates its gravity. If it didn’t take the moon, our tidal system would be messed up, but seeing how the oceans boiled away centuries ago, that won’t be a problem.

Deadshot wrote:
The only ones it could be are Purge the High Lords and Kill the Emperor. Its the "Terminus" decree, derived from terminate/terminal, implying killing of something. Only "Kill the Emperor" makes sense.

Except in this case Terminus (or terminal) means final or ending. It means a decree for the end of all things… and as previously stated the fluff identifies it as instructions for a task. I don’t think anyone really needs instructions on how to kill the government or any of the other options. Also if it was sealed away before titan vanished then it could very well be instructions for activating a reverse eye of terror situation where terra is pulled into the web way or the warp as a bubble of real space, like the eye of terror is in our galaxy. Mostly credit for this idea goes to a fan fiction about post emperor 40k that a guy, whose name I can’t remember, is writing in the fiction boards.

**Alpharius**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The Terminus Decree was written by Janus, the first Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights, who was probably secretly Omegon! Or maybe Alpharius. It contains an incantation that when spoken aloud, probably instantaneously banishes any daemon within the Sol system back to the Warp! Or maybe casts the Rubric of Ahriman. All will be reviled in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times... you are swan to secrecy!

Great typo there

It's not a typo...

Unless you already knew that - and you're working for...

...the Pan Fo?!?

**RaptorusRex**

How do we know I'm not a Alpha Legion plant? How do we know all of us aren't Alpha Legion plants?

How do we know Ward's not an Alpha Legion plant?

**Alpharius**

I'm pretty sure I'd know...

**Flame-Rage**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The Terminus Decree was written by Janus, the first Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights, who was probably secretly Omegon! Or maybe Alpharius. It contains an incantation that when spoken aloud, probably instantaneously banishes any daemon within the Sol system back to the Warp! Or maybe casts the Rubric of Ahriman. All will be reviled in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times... you are swan to secrecy!

Great typo there

Really? I I always wanted to be a secret Swan after all...

**Selym**

"Give Empy a cup of tea."

**commander dante**

It explains how Creed hides all of those baneblades and titans